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  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   50 min 6 sec ago

    What does this Down syndrome thing have anything to do with atheism?

     

    dawkins every pronouncement is now atheist gospel?

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   1 hour 18 min ago
    No

    He was saying that it would be immoral for a woman in a position to abort a Down Syndrome baby *not* to. And I can think of at least one group of (officially, at least) atheists living not all that far from you who are very much in a position to enforce that view of morality by bloody (literally) force of law should they choose to. Pygmy would be a kind word to use here.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   4 hours 13 min ago

    have to follow a preset creed.  So it is not necessary for us to follow Mr Dawkins' peronal opinion on the inferiority of Muslims, women or Down's babies.

     

    That said, in a secular society, people can hold any moral opinions that they want, as long as they are legal.  I'm unsure what the kerfuffle is about.  So Mr Dawkins suggesting that he may have aborted a Down's baby had he been a pregnant woman?  That doesn't make him some kind of moral pygmy.  Its just his opinion, and not binding on anyone. 

     

    An atheist with political power is very different animal to a theist with political power.  A theist's belief that convicted adulterers must be stoned is something else altogether when said theist has political power.

     

    Sam Harris feels that Palestinians should continue to be expropriated.  Again, that's his opinion, and doesn't make him some kind of a moral pygmy either.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   4 hours 45 min ago

    Straw-Chomsky or Straw-Zinn. The entire Straw-Liberalism project, in fact, seems morally and intellectually bankrupt and vacuous. 

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   6 hours 3 min ago
    ha

    and did you mean contumely, or did you intend to suggest that I am being disobedient?

    don't lecture him on how to lecture people.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   6 hours 16 min ago

    Zinn: Especially considering the economic sanctions no doubt faced by Mordor. They must be dreadful. We see now that the Black Riders have been released, and they’re going after Frodo. The Black Riders. Of course they’re black. Everything evil is always black. And later Gandalf the Grey becomes Gandalf the White. Have you noticed that?

    Chomsky: The most simplistic color symbolism.

    That's not straw he's stuffed full of--it's pipeweed belonging to those criminal Hobbits and their drug dealer bosses Aragorn and Gandalf, scheming to keep the hardworking Orcs down.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 3 min ago

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  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 17 min ago

    One thing that most of us who do not believe in (or at least who do not have any certainty about) a Higher Power have in common is thinking that people who scold us for not believing are irritating so and sos. So why should I give support to someone on "my side" who acts in an equally d***ish manner the other direction (not to mention that Dawkins just seems to be a garden variety Dick even when the topic is nominally unconnected to atheism per se). F*** that guy--I hope Trig Palin gives him a swift kick in the 'nads one fine day.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 28 min ago

    Had to establish residency, of course, before they'd give him his badge.  But everything's in order now.  

     

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 32 min ago

    is that religions or atheisms are going to be judged on their representatives.

     

    I don't know what harm richard dawkins has done beyond make a bucnh of pretty stupid comments. he certainly does seem like he's heading into crankdom.

     

    now a cardinal bernardin for example, there is a man that has wrought some serious damage.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 45 min ago

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 51 min ago

    As Gandhi observed about Christians, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

     

    In like manner, I don't think Atheism should be given any more of a break than my own faith, Christianity.  It seems obvious enough to me we ought to take MLK to heart and judge people on the contents of their characters and not by some abstraction like the hue of their skin or the cut of their spiritual jib.  I always used to say human society would be better governed by atheists since the religious are so unfair and quarrelsome.  That opinion, if the Dawk is any guide to the matter, is changing to "Human society would be better governed by anyone but Atheists, who think themselves immune from the charges of Absolutism and Unfairness merely because they don't believe in God."   

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   7 hours 58 min ago

    i don' think thats how the posting rules work.

     

    wait, am i allowed to say *i*????

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 3 min ago

    should run for moderator.  

     

    EDIT: and did you mean contumely, or did you intend to suggest that I am being disobedient?

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 4 min ago

    Every time some religious bozo comes along to say Atheists Can't Be Moral People, I have to give him a vigorous punch in the head and tell him it's just not true. 

    But Richard Dawkins just might change that opinion.

    yup, take one asshole and use him to damn an entire group of people, and their ethical system as well. 

     

    this is why you can't trust religious people to be consistent about anything beyond what they personally like and don't like.*

     

    * WOOT WOOT IRONY ALERT.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 6 min ago

    All through with your contumaciousness.  Am I making myself clear?

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 9 min ago

    down on the table and demanded everyone take note of the amazing similarities between his work and Tolkien's. Then, when someone comes along and points out that Milton was an inveterate revolutionary anti-papist hellraiser who literally wrote the book(s) on regicide, a man whose politics and ideas for reorganizing society along Republican and New Model Army lines would have absolutely horrified the atavistic-royalist-Luddite-Catholic Tolkien...

     

    ...then the topic gets boring. 

     

    Tolkien was the kind of person who got a lump in his throat thinking about the Restoration and the later Glorious Revolution. The Interregnum was to him a tragic error. Milton had a lump in his throat too... a lump of undigested bile, having lived to see his great lifelong cause of democratizing England and its Church fall in ignominious ruin into "darkness visible."

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 9 min ago

    the more I'm likely to retreat from my positions on atheists.  I've always thought atheism was a fine thing, essential in a way, the only sane guy in a room full of quarrelsome madmen.  Every time some religious bozo comes along to say Atheists Can't Be Moral People, I have to give him a vigorous punch in the head and tell him it's just not true.  

     

    But Richard Dawkins just might change that opinion.  Seems to me the Dawkins ought to shut up about other people's ethical decisions because he's starting to sound like every two-bit rabbi and pastor and imam and damned old witch doctor, the sort of people he's been condemning for years for telling others what's a Moral Choice and what Isn't.  Many families do abort Downs Syndrome children.  I'm not going to cast aspersions on their choice.  It's a tragedy.  Leave these people to make their terrible choices, offer them some comfort if possible.  Every abortion is a tragedy.  Life is just chock full of tragedy.  Our choices are always limited.  The outcomes are never Good.

     

    I hate Richard Dawkins.  

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 21 min ago

    negative and positive attention:

     

    Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.

     

    Yeah ... that's not really the kind of personal decision you want to call "moral" or "immoral" whichever way one comes down. 

     

    See, manish? I was right to worry that Dawkins was showing signs of becoming kind of a crank -- an old guy more interested in going after sacred cows than being a responsible public intellectual.

  • Reply to: Sign the petition Open Thread   8 hours 23 min ago

    you can be an Elf.