Pick your fave!


Founding Father, that is. I'm a Hamilton man, myself, though John Adams is up there. Jefferson tends to leave me cold, while Washington is impressive as all hell but ultimately a touch too "perfect" to be a fave. Hat-tip to Megan McArdle, who is also studiously watching the Adams mini-series.
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The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of folly is to people the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer

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Madison (#88861)
by BChurch

From one nerd to another...

A bit behind in the series (#88841)
by Davinci

The first two episodes show Franklin to be great.. Adams was up there but not as political astute as Franklin. Washington was stoic and Honorable.. Jefferson was interesting and if Franklin did help edit the Declaration then the changes were amazing... I don't have a good view of who Hamilton was at this point... I need to read and watch more.. :) My revolutionary history is a bit week.. Who did burr kill?

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Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to intense skeptical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your

Davinci, your sig has been truncated (#88844)
by stillnotking

What's the last word supposed to be? (Please tell me "genitals" or "beer".)

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The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.

That would make it almost.... (#88846)
by Bernard Guerrero
He killed Hamilton, the bastard. (#88842)
by Bernard Guerrero
The History Of This Nation. . . (#88855)
by M Scott Eiland

. . .would have been improved immeasurably if Mr. Hamilton had shot sooner and straighter on that day.

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That sounds painful (#88854)
by stillnotking

Reminds me of a courtroom transcription I read in Anguished English:

Judge: "And then the defendant pulled out his gun and shot the victim in the fracas?"
Witness: (pause) "No, Your Honor, just above it."

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The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.

Thomas Paine (#88837)
by stillnotking

by a mile. Reasons should be obvious to anyone who reads my posts...

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The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.

My favorite founding father was Jefferson. (#88835)
by BlaiseP

Though many of the founding fathers were intelligent men, Jefferson towered above them all. A man of contradictions, he affected a man-of-the-people attitude while maintaining elitist views in private.

I am drawn to Jefferson's contradictions. The other Founders are more easily understood. In many ways, Jefferson stood alone. His marriage only lasted a decade, and he burned all the letters between himself and his wife. Of his six children, only one would survive him.

He died deep in debt: some scholars believe he never freed his slaves (though he did emancipate five of them) because they were all mortgaged to the hilt. His efforts to grow a vineyard at Monticello were dismal.

Jefferson remains an enigma: we'll never get a full picture of Jefferson. His home, Monticello, is as good a view as we'll ever get of the man's mind. It's full of gimcrack gadgetry: the beds fold up into the walls. There was never a formal dining room table: Jefferson thought too much furniture a waste of space, it was only put up at mealtimes. Though its proportions are lovely Palladian lines from the outside, the house itself is an awkward, clumsy and surprisingly small house.

I'd put Hamilton.... (#88845)
by Bernard Guerrero

....ahead of Jefferson in terms of brains, though not rhetoric. (Then again, a really smart guy probably would have practiced his marksmanship a bit more. Mouths writing checks bodies can't cash and all that...)

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The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of folly is to people the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer

Point taken, Hamilton was brilliant. (#88849)
by BlaiseP

but he was an aristo of the old school. Jefferson loathed Hamilton, thought him a conniving rogue. And he was, too. Hamilton knew all this faux man-of-the-people nonsense would never work out. Had the Jeffersonian democrats had their way, the USA would have collapsed under the weight of populist and state-centric tomfoolery.

We think of General Washington as a great man, and he was. We idolize Washington, largely forgetting Alexander Hamilton's role as Washington's aide de camp. Arguably, nobody knew General George Washington better than Hamilton: Washington trusted him implicitly.

Hamilton's view of a strong central government has largely been fulfilled. Jefferson's state-oriented system really didn't work out.

Hamilton was a deeply flawed man, but the lives of great men are often defined by their flaws. We ought not deify the Founders, but neither should we succumb to silly revisionism in an effort to make them more human. We have them to blame for failing to address slavery and they would succumb to factional infighting. Our country is the product of a cluster of truly great men who appeared at one juncture in history. No such aggregation of men has appeared before or since. Against all odds, and often at odds with each other, they created a unique system of government flexible enough to adapt to many unforeseen circumstances.

I find them both brilliant (#88954)
by Sulla

but I also find both of them to be snakes.

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"That Sam-I-am! That Sam-I-am! I do not like that Sam-I-am!"- Dr. Seuss

I think I'd have to go with Jefferson (#88834)
by Jordan

He represents everything that's great, and small, about the American Dad.

Runners up would have to include:
Mike Brady
Jock Ewing
Heathcliff Huxtable
Tony Soprano
Peter Griffin

But best founding-couple, by a creepy mile:
Gomez and Morticia, from the illustrious Addams family

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH

Gotta go with (#88817)
by aireachail

Franklin.

But I haven't been watching the mini-series, so my vote may not count :-)

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Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham

Yep, the fella on the C-note (#88823)
by Darth Cuddly

He invented the kite, the key, electricity, the steam engine, sliced bread and not so widely known, the hoola hoop.

A guy I like but could never select is Thomas McKean. Sure, he has a long list of accomplishments but he got too stylish with using an apostrophe making his name M'Kean.

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It's not only redundant, it's also repetitive

And Bifocals! (#88836)
by aireachail

But I gotta admit that I probably attach more significance to that accomplishment than some of you guys.

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Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham

Who could go with anyone else? (#88819)
by hobbesist

(But maybe that's my Philadelphian chauvinism coming through ... .)

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Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio.

It's your drunken letch.... (#88822)
by Bernard Guerrero
Hey now. (#88826)
by hobbesist

I try to stay stone sober when I'm out lechin' it up.

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Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio.

Make that three for Franklin (#88820)
by Weyland

The prototypical American self-made man (aside from Hamilton, of course)

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For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise - B. Franklin

Weyland, who woulda guessed your vote? (#89272)
by catchy

btw, alwayz thought your quote was in line w. the spirit of ze site. cheers.

Franklin (#88847)
by Punditus Maximus

And "Tennessee" is an inferior name to the original for that state.

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It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.

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