We have met the sociopaths, and they are us.
This diary is in response to a post by Jordan, here. He lists an interesting aggregation of symptoms, but I think there's something ultimately off about his interpretation of sociopathic behavior as a "niche". That implies a certain rarity that I don't think really captures the reality of the situation.
Short of some hypothetical 100% selfless human (who would really be approaching a female worker bee and would have to have the odd genetics to match), we're all freeriders/intraspecies parasites/etc. People simply don't, as a rule, put the same effort into providing group resources as they do into providing for their close family unit. The evidence is as plain as the nose on your face. (Well, as plain as I imagine your nose to be, seeing as how we've never met in person.) It ranges from resistance to taxes at every level above the non-payer to the miniscule resources devoted to foreign aid to the percentage of income people give to charity every year according to the IRS (and that last figure is likely to be exaggerated.)
People trying to get additional slices from what, at least in the short-run, appears to be a limited pie is a commonplace. Under those circumstances, it hardly seems proper to call it an "evolutionary niche". On the other hand, it's also clearly common for other people not to be favorably disposed towards free-riders, and I'd argue that the underlying reason is precisely the same. A free-rider is taking away from the pie or pool of resources, and thus by definition limiting your own access to same. The only difference would appear to be in the matter of inputs. Leaving aside economies of scale, returns on investment, etc, the contributor puts in something which presumably corresponds to some slice of the outputs; the free-rider puts in few or no inputs but claims an outsized slice of the outputs.
So now we see the evolutionary balancing act. You try to get the largest slice you can. This can be accomplished in three ways:
A) Grab as much as you can, regardless of the inputs you provide.
B) Contribute resources along with others and, via the magic of division of labor, economies of scale, etc, voila, there's a bigger pool of outputs than would have been available otherwise.
A) and B) are not really mutually exclusive, but they do interfere with each other. The more output you grab regardless of input, the less inclined everybody else will be to put more inputs into the pool. They're not getting any return, so why bother? There are ways around this. The most obvious one is what Judith Harris refers to as the "status system". I'd argue that the system has two components. The first is a simple question of genetic fitness. If you're obviously more athletic, healthier, tougher and smarter than the other monkeys, your status climbs because you're going to look like a better potential mate. But that presumably only works for the opposite sex, for the most part. The second component would be what I'd call "intangible inputs". That is, if you're obviously more athletic, healthier, tougher and smarter than the other monkeys, you're probably going to make a better hunter, gatherer, builder, guy who plots the seasons so we can grow food, etc. Your enhanced status might mean that you draw additional resources, but the other monkeys might be willing to see it happen if you are effectively bringing more to the table than the simple tangible resources you contribute.
You can also fake it. Let's call that Option C). Say you figure out some way to convince the other monkeys that you can tell the future or control the weather or bless their hunts or something. Then you can use the status system to free-ride by extracting outputs in return for phantom inputs. You can also fake closer familial relationships of the sort that provide resources regardless of group status.
So what does this have to do with the sociopaths? Jordan argues they might be a "niche". Based on the above, I'd argue that the clinical sociopaths are merely outliers. There's resource-value to be had by contributing, because it probably returns more than keeping the resources exclusively to yourself and it encourages others to contribute to the pool, too. There's also value to be had by trying to grab as much of the outputs as you can. The balancing act is hardwired into us and then refined to our precise current circumstances via socialization. What the sociopaths are, are people that are particularly good at Option C), above. They can garner status well beyond their actual inputs by virtue of being able to fake relationships and/or intangible inputs. I'd also argue that the skills required to do this are not unique, but rather extensions of very normal human behavior. Small children have a natural tendency to lie, exaggerate, take thoughtless risks. It is only after years of child-rearing and socialization that they are mostly broken of these habits. The sociopath doesn't grow out of them in part because he doesn't have to. It's selection; most people take hits throughout their lives for continuing to act like children when they're not. But you've never met a con-man you didn't like. They don't come with waxed mustaches and Snively Whiplash eeeevil laughs. It is precisely because of their enhanced ability to get away with it, Option C), that they never grow out of it.
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People simply don't, as a rule, put the same effort into providing group resources as they do into providing for their close family unit.
What I understand of sociopants is that they are just as deviant in their family life as they are in the broader world. If you insist on couching the issue in terms of evolutionary biology, and it seems you do, why not say that the 'hard wiring' responsible for binding us with family ties is absent in sociopaths, making it impossible to succumb to the socialization process. Or you could just chuck the faux darwinism and say that sociopaths were not sufficiently loved as children.
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)That's all you are, Mick. A big-brained monkey. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
What I understand of sociopants (sic) is that they are just as deviant in their family life as they are in the broader world.
Well, I'd note that even a normal human family life is something of a balancing act. I imagine that my wife would be pretty pissed-off if I contributed nothing to the family pool and insisted on getting the last hamburger on the grill, etc. Pace vinteuil, my latinate charm is not nearly enough to get away with that kind of behavior. I'm willing to bet most humans can't.
As to how sociopaths deal with their children, I have no idea and frankly welcome any evidence or cites you have to provide. Anecdotally, it looks to me like the popular culture believes that there's some qualitative difference to their behavior with others. I'll note the odd follow-up to American Psycho that Bret Easton Ellis did in 2000, the "AmPsycho 2000 Emails". The only semi-normal relationship he has Patrick Bateman engage in is with his son. John Barnes likewise has his sociopath, Joshua Ali Quare, act in an oddly restrained manner towards the orphan he "adopts" in Kaleidoscope Century. But as I noted, this is all just pop culture.
why not say that the 'hard wiring' responsible for binding us with family ties is absent in sociopaths
I would, but that doesn't seem to explain their behavior towards others. Occam's Razor.
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| parent )I dislike monkeys and question the wisdom of looking to them when considering problems like sociopathy. If you have to talk about primates, please restrict yourself to apes.
Speaking of applying Occam's Razor, it seems that could rubbish a lot of your talk of hard wires. Darwin was all about explaining tangible stuff like the shapes of bird's beaks and we have a pretty sound mechanism in genetic mutation to account for evolution. I just think it's questionable to turn to Darwin's theories to account for ill-defined pathological behaviour patterns. Occam's Razor is all about not introducing unnecessary suppositions.
By the way, I watched the movie American Psycho last night after thinking about these issues. It is quite good, though I gather considerably watered down compared with the novel. Reviewing a Whitney Houston song, my favourite quote:
Since, Elizabeth, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really.
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| parent )Clearly we're most congruent with the great apes, genetically speaking. I still like saying "monkeys" as a catch-all for primates, because it pisses off a whole host of people that it costs me little to piss off. :^)
I just think it's questionable to turn to Darwin's theories to account for ill-defined pathological behaviour patterns.
My point, such as it is, is to move away from thinking of it as "ill-defined pathological behaviour patterns". It looks to me like it fits in well as an extreme version of otherwise very standard human behavior.
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| parent )I'd comment further on your awful puns, but I'm being told I need to go walk the dog and get groceries. Lucky you!
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| parent )I could go on all day. No, really! :)
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| parent )as a cause of sociopathy is extremely rare. Rather, an individual's ability/willingness to undergo socialization is cognitive in nature. Soldiers in war, torture/interrogators, suicide bombers, ruthless CEOs all behave in sociopathic ways, and often sociopathy bleeds over into their personal emotional lives as well (PTSD), but it is obviously a learned, habitual behavior.
Sociopaths exhibiting the classic Macdonald Triad of early childhood symptoms (arson, animal torture, bedwetting) also nearly always have undergone systemic sexual and/or physical abuse during a formative period. I would not be surprised to find observable brain differences in relation to normal children (as well as in adults programmed to be sociopaths), but it should also be abundantly clear that the inability to socialize normally is learned through traumatic experiences, not innate as a heritable trait or birth defect.
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| parent )the classic Macdonald Triad of early childhood symptoms (arson, animal torture, bedwetting)
That list looks like a post-hoc attempt at data-mining, though. Every kid on my block liked to burn stuff up. Not houses, mind you, but it was always a fun day when somebody had matches, sparklers, firecrackers or some other form of incendiary device.
Bed-wetting also seems like a childhood commonplace.
The animal torture sounds more troublesome, but I also recall that most of the kids enjoyed grabbing a wiffle-ball bat in mid summer and whacking harmless fireflies.
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| parent )Arson means, like, criminally burning things like schools, houses with people inside, etc. When you're 12.
Bedwetting well after the age most kids learn to hold it til morning.
All kids are a little bit sociopathic...the ones who wind up later institutionalized (or in the papers) are bad enough news to get the attention of the authorities early & often.
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| parent )All kids are a little bit sociopathic
I think that's what I was trying to get at, above. It looks to me like a natural spectrum of behavior.
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| parent )I think that's probably right. Maybe it's helpful to look at sociopathy like we look at autism: not simply as a binary, there-or-not condition, but as a spectrum with odd, socially awkward behavior at one end, and a crippling behavioral/developmental condition at the other.
Although I wonder how 'natural' the spectrum is, especially at the far anti-social end of it.
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| parent )If I seemed to imply that Hare is saying every con artist, flim flam man or free rider is a sociopath, then I take it back. Quite obviously the ability to fake social/economic contributions is a skill used by almost everyone from time to time. We all know how to lie, use misdirection, hide the bodies if we absolutely have to, though it's a skill that can be improved with practice.
The most important distinction of sociopaths, according to Hare, is that they are for the most part incapable of empathy. Whether it's a neural or cognitive disorder, or a bit of both, the sight of other people feeling happiness, fear, boredom, excruciating pain arouses no sympathetic response for them. Their "mirror neurons" don't fire on emotional cues. Essentially, it's a disability. All the other hallmarks of psychopathic behavior stem from their emotional dwarfism, including of course the lack of remorse or hesitancy to cause damage that comes from feeling a social bond with other people.
Hare's argument is that in a complex environment with lots of anonymity, like an urban neighborhood or a corporation (or a desolate stretch of highway, a sorority house, an abandoned lakeside summer camp, I suppose), a psychopath enjoys certain advantages. They feel no obligation to any quid pro quo relationship with people that depend on them, and feel no compunction about ruining careers or lives just to garner small advantages for themselves.
I would argue that most of us, however competitive we are, would need fairly powerful ethical & moral justification to do something like get a colleague fired or embezzle from an expense account. Psychopaths have no need to define any complex moral ground. Getting away with something is proof enough it's the right thing to do.
But the real question in all this is, how are psychopaths made? Is there some kind of common neurophysiology that leads to psychopathy? My guess is no. And here's where Dr. Phillip Zimbardo comes in. The Stanford clinical researcher has spent a lifetime mapping out the ways ordinary people can be coaxed into doing very immoral things, and his reports on interviews with "violence workers" from Brazil's secret police or the Greek junta make it very clear that the steps needed to convince ordinary, law-abiding citizens to perform utterly sadistic acts on their fellow human beings are well known to the world's military and police institutions.
http://www.zimbardo.com/downloads/2003%20Evil%20Chapter.pdf
If there's a further difference between the torture interrogator/executioner and the serial killer, it is only insofar as one recognizes authority higher than him or herself, and the other doesn't. Their ability to block out empathy, however, is identical.
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)for a diagnosis of sociopath
--Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.
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| parent )Complete lack of empathy? Presumably some level of self-interest (even if only self-preservation) will result in an override of empathy.
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| parent )Persistent lack of empathy in situations where most people would feel something. An old widow evicted from a tenement. Old Yeller getting shot. Someone begging for their life.
That sounds about right. Plus it lets us give a real expert's answer: "it depends."
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| parent )See what I mean? Everybody feels bad about Old Yeller, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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| parent )Unless... unless you're saying Travis was faking those tears. Oh, man is that sick!
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| parent )Sounds like a Frankie Valli song.
Anyway, in terms of visible evidence or action, empathy or lack thereof is difficult to prove. How would you know if Travis were to fake it, short of following him around like a Hollywood film crew?
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