Another untruth from Obama

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Courtesy of Jim Lindgren at Volokh Conspiracy. This is what Obama said yesterday in his break-from-Wright press conference:

Now, to some degree, you know -- I know that one thing that he said was true, was that he wasn't -- you know, he was never my, quote-unquote, "spiritual adviser."

He was never my "spiritual mentor." He was -- he was my pastor. And so to some extent, how, you know, the -- the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, wasn't accurate.


In a LEXIS search, here's what Lindgren found regarding Obama and his relationship with his political-extremist pastor:
'I HAVE A DEEP FAITH,' Chicago Sun-Times, April 5, 2004
These days, [Obama] says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

Race Against History, The New Republic, May 31, 2004
Shortly before leaving Chicago for Harvard, he had a meeting with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the charismatic black pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the most socioeconomically diverse all-black congregations in Chicago. Obama was taken with Wright's worldview, perhaps best encapsulated by a Trinity brochure proclaiming that, "while it is permissible to chase `middleincomeness' with all our might," ambitious African Americans must beware the "psychological entrapment of black `middleclassness' that hypnotizes the successful brother or sister into believing they are better than the rest of US."

Sen. Barack Obama's Pastor Frames Progressive Issues Through Lens of Faith, Religion News Service, March 10, 2005
But when talking about how religious conservatives have pushed issues such as gay rights and stem cell research into the forefront, [Wright’s] voice becomes taut and his rebuke direct.

Those who focus on these issues are building themselves up at the expense of others and, while the Bible has many references to right and wrong, Jesus only spoke against people who judged others, Wright says.

"Are you following Jesus when you are vilifying people?" Wright asks. "The answer to that question is no."

It's no coincidence that Wright's response to these issues is similar to that of Obama, Illinois' newest senator and one of the Democratic Party's leading lights in trying to frame traditional liberal issues as moral and religious imperatives.

Obama met Wright 20 years ago in the process of trying to get Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ involved in some community organizing he was doing. Ever since, Obama has been a devoted member of Wright's church. Obama says that Wright is not only his pastor, but he also is his friend and mentor. And Wright is one of the people to whom he turns [to] help him explain how his liberal positions jibe with his faith.

The fact that Obama chose Trinity is no accident. In a sea of conservative black churches, Trinity stands out in that it has welcomed in gay members, done outreach to people living with AIDS and advocated progressive positions on many social issues. . . .

Today, Wright is quick to call those who voted for President Bush "stupid" and chastise the public for letting issues like housing for the poor "fall off the radar screen." . . .

Obama says one of the things he has learned from Wright is that the Bible is full of references to poor people and how they should be treated. This, Obama says, is one of the points he would like Democrats to point out when Republicans try to take the religious high ground with talk of moral values.

Wright is there to give further guidance.

First, he says Democratic leaders need to understand why so many people feel threatened by gay people.

"Is it that people have linked homosexuals with pedophiles?" Wright asks. "Was it that they were molested as a kid? There are all kinds of emotional stuff that come up. We have to stick with it and hear each other."


Keeping the Faith, In These Times, February 28, 2005
Wright and Obama developed a close relationship in the intervening years, and Obama counts the Reverend among his spiritual advisers. When a reporter asked Wright what advice he would give Obama upon election to the Senate, Wright said, "My advice to him: Please stay the same as you've been ever since I've known you."

'Personal relationship with Jesus Christ' dates to '88, Chicago Sun Times, June 29, 2006
When [Obama] is in Chicago, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the working-class Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able.

Obama's Real Faith, Investor's Business Daily, January 23, 2007
Obama, meanwhile, has been getting in touch with his African roots. . . .

"I believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," he recently asserted. He said his faith has also led him to question "the idolatry of the free market." This reflects Trinity church doctrine that no African-American can really rise to the top echelons of a "racist, competitive" white society on merit.

Obama, in turn, calls the dashiki-wearing minister of this militantly black church his "spiritual adviser" and mentor. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright said of Obama and his other congregants: "We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent." He wants health care for all and more housing for the poor, and calls those who voted for President Bush (and his tax cuts) stupid.


Barack Obama, Candidate for President, is 'UCC,' PR Newswire US, February 9, 2007
In November 2004, during his acceptance speech following his election to the Senate, Obama expressed appreciation for the support of Trinity UCC's members. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Trinity UCC, is one of Obama's close spiritual advisors and is credited with giving inspiration to the title of Obama's bestselling book, "The Audacity of Hope." Obama says he first heard Wright use the phrase in one of his stirring sermons.

"Trinity UCC has been a true community to me — a place in which the mind, heart and soul come together to celebrate God's goodness," Obama told United Church News in 2004.


Black power sermons test Democrats' faith in presidential hopeful, The Sunday Telegraph (LONDON), February 11, 2007
The senator, 45, who describes the Rev Mr Wright as a mentor and spiritual adviser, acknowledged that he too was struck by the call to disavow "middleclassness'' when he first visited the church 20 years ago as a community activist who had just moved to Chicago.

"As I read it at least, it was a very simple argument taken directly from the Scripture: 'To whom much is given, much is required','' he told the Chicago Tribune. More generally, he argued, the document "espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help'' for black advancement.


Disinvitation By Obama Is Criticized, The New York Times, March 6, 2007
The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the popular Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and spiritual mentor to Senator Barack Obama, thought he knew what he would be doing on Feb. 10, the day of Senator Obama's presidential announcement.

After all, back in January, Mr. Obama had asked Mr. Wright if he would begin the event by delivering a public invocation.

But Mr. Wright said Mr. Obama called him the night before the Feb. 10 announcement and rescinded the invitation to give the invocation. . . .

Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the campaign disinvited Mr. Wright because it did not want the church to face negative attention. Mr. Wright did however, attend the announcement and prayed with Mr. Obama beforehand.

''Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church, but because of the type of attention it was receiving on blogs and conservative talk shows, he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context and forcing the entire church to defend itself,'' Mr. Burton said.

Instead, Mr. Obama asked Mr. Wright's successor as pastor at Trinity, the Rev. Otis Moss III, to speak. Mr. Moss declined. . . .

In Monday's interview, Mr. Wright expressed disappointment but no surprise that Mr. Obama might try to play down their connection.

''When his enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli'' to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, Mr. Wright recalled, ''with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.'' Mr. Wright added that his trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan's views or Qaddafi's.

Mr. Wright said that in the phone conversation in which Mr. Obama disinvited him from a role in the announcement, Mr. Obama cited an article in Rolling Stone, ''The Radical Roots of Barack Obama.''

According to the pastor, Mr. Obama then told him, ''You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we've decided is that it's best for you not to be out there in public.''


IS OBAMA BLACK ENOUGH? Why do you ask?, Chicago Tribune, March 11, 2007
Obama had come under fire for being a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, whose tenets are based on what it calls the Black Value System. Conservatives said the church was separatist, anti-middle-class and too Afrocentric for a candidate who speaks eloquently of constructing bridges along race and class lines. Obama has defended his church, saying it promotes self-reliance and self-help and should be a conservative's dream. . . .

For some, the idea of Obama distancing himself from the man he has called his mentor and spiritual adviser is anathema and is looked on as the candidate selling out.


Ethnic identity isn't black and white, Chicago Sun Times, March 25, 2007
[A]t the last minute, Obama disinvited Wright to speak last month when he officially announced his presidential candidacy. Wright says that Obama now realizes that his political handlers gave him bad advice and that all is well between him and the senator.

New York Times (transcript), March 18, 2008
OBAMA: And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me.

And here's an excerpt from the Rolling Stone article on Obama:
The Trinity United Church of Christ, the church that Barack Obama attends in Chicago, is at once vast and unprepossessing, a big structure a couple of blocks from the projects, in the long open sore of a ghetto on the city's far South Side. The church is a leftover vision from the Sixties of what a black nationalist future might look like. There's the testifying fervor of the black church, the Afrocentric Bible readings, even the odd dashiki. And there is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a sprawling, profane bear of a preacher, a kind of black ministerial institution, with his own radio shows and guest preaching gigs across the country. Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. "Fact number one: We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he intones. "Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!" There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power that make Obama sound like John Kerry. Now the reverend begins to preach. "We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!" The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: "And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SHIT!"

This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr. Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics. The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

Obama wasn't born into Wright's world. His parents were atheists, an African bureaucrat and a white grad student, Jerry Falwell's nightmare vision of secular liberals come to life. Obama could have picked any church — the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright. Obama writes in his autobiography that on the day he chose this church, he felt the spirit of black memory and history moving through Wright, and "felt for the first time how that spirit carried within it, nascent, incomplete, the possibility of moving beyond our narrow dreams."

Obama has now spent two years in the Senate and written two books about himself, both remarkably frank: There is a desire to own his story, to be both his own Boswell and his own investigative reporter. When you read his autobiography, the surprising thing — for such a measured politician — is the depth of radical feeling that seeps through, the amount of Jeremiah Wright that's packed in there. Perhaps this shouldn't be surprising. Obama's life story is a splicing of two different roles, and two different ways of thinking about America's. One is that of the consummate insider, someone who has been raised believing that he will help to lead America, who believes in this country's capacity for acts of outstanding virtue. The other is that of a black man who feels very deeply that this country's exercise of its great inherited wealth and power has been grossly unjust. This tension runs through his life; Obama is at once an insider and an outsider, a bomb thrower and the class president. "I'm somebody who believes in this country and its institutions," he tells me. "But I often think they're broken."


Sure sounds like the idea that Jeremiah Wright was Obama's spiritual mentor and advisor came from the candidate himself.

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"As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now."

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John Hagee

Damnation? God's curse? Any difference, really?

The proper balance between defense and welfare are the tectonic plates that lie beneath our political discourse.

20 years, endorsement, yeah.

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-nt-

and the cock crowed thrice

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Where's Ken White when you need him. A politician is downplaying his past relationship w. a guy who's currently spoutin garbage? This is news? BD, you deserve a K-code on this one and worse.

... what I'm taking out of this is that Obama is handling the situation reasonably well.

He showed some sense in originally trying to heal a wound while reaching out to a significant portion of the black community who holds Wright-ish views. But now Wright is being pointlessly confrontational and making that impossible.

What's the prob. here? Whether Obama ever used the words 'spiritual advisor'? Is that some sort of rigorously defined technical notion that we can nail down by perusing old news reports? Really, who cares?

I don't remember Jim Lindgren being such a partisan bore at volokh. I thought that role was reserved for David Bernstein.

All hearsay: facts not in evidence. -nt-

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These are

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getting to be like the Jack Chick tract of the day.

So what?

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Tell ya what, Charles:

When you give John McCain hell for seeking out the endorsement of a certifiable Fruit Loop who says:

HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. … What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.

Prager followed up by asking if all natural disasters are a result of “the divine hand” and if there is “any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?” Hagee responded by saying “it’s a result of God’s permissible will” and “that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday,” which he said “was sin”...

or has this to say about the Catholic Church:

then, and only then, will you be able to convince me that your post is anything more than well-written, well-researched partisan offal.

I've already said it

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McCain made a mistake in accepting Hagee's endorsement, not just for what Hagee said about the Catholic Church, but also regarding his comments about New Orleans after Katrina. McCain has said that he disagreed with Hagee's comments about the Catholic Church and I don't know what McCain has said about Hagee's statements about New Orleans, but his campaign would be served if McCain took that endorsement back.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

That's fine:

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But I've yet to see a Bird Dog diary about the foolishness of McCain's flirtation with batsh*t crazy fundamentalists, and there have been what- three or more about Barack Obama's membership in Jeremiah Wright's congregation.

There's this link on the front page, and it's called...

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..."new diary". You're welcome to it, JKC. I've already made my views known. I've already written plenty of diaries and front-page posts, both here and at Redstate, that have taken McCain to task on a variety of issues, and I'm disinclined to write another one just because a commenter feels that I'm not giving equal time. But if you're really concerned about balance, perhaps you could ask Hank to write a diary about why Obama is dangerously unqualified to be president.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

You, of course, can post what you wish...

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This isn't broadcasting, and there's no Fairness Doctrine here at The Forvm that I'm aware of.

I don't get, though, why you think this issue is worth all the electrons you've spent on it. The GOP may think it's gonna score them points in the fall, but McCain's groveling for Hagee's endorsement may well have inoculated Obama from such criticism. (Hint: the GOP is not in good enough shape this year to throw away the Catholic vote.)

Surely there are real issues over which conservatives disagree with the Senator from Illinois. This can't be all you've got.

Because it isn't just about issues

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It's also about character and judgment. I didn't plan to point all these untruths, but they just keep coming, and it says something to me about his character. I also think Obama's playing up "yes we can" because his politics are way liberal.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

I hope you're at least getting paid.

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Or have resumes out or something. There's a lot of money to be made on Wingnut Welfare, and it doesn't make any economic sense to provide those services gratis.

It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.

The best defense is a good offense

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as long as he keeps pumping out the diaries, we're discussing Obama and Wright, not how incoherent McCain is.

I blame it all on the Internet

The question is,

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what do you do once someone poisons the well in that manner? You can ignore, but the flood will keep coming. You can argue, but then you've been trolled. You can push the same crap back, but then you've sunk to their level. Or you can post relevant attacks, which I guess is what you did with your latest.

Yup

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I'm going to try to post at least one long diary a week attacking Republicans where they are weakest - their record. The best part is that you'll notice there is absolutely no response to the facts as laid out. Much better (for them) to discuss the outrage du jour.

I blame it all on the Internet

All he's got....

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A free diagnosis from Doctor Jay:

"Upon extensive review and close examination of the subject's ("Patient B.D.") published blogposts and commentary, we may feel safe in attributing the constant repetition of accusations of perceived "dishonesty" against Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) - supported mainly by the assertions of the subject himself - to a moderately severe case of ODS ("Obama Derangement Syndrome") - as defined in the DSM-IV* (2008 edition).

Although related to several similar ailments which have been shown to recur (mainly in the United States) on a biennial or quadrennial basis, the present case is notable for its early onset, severity, and resistance to countermeasures. More research, obviously, is needed."

*Derangement Syndrome Meme - Internet Variety

That is

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just funny. Thanks, doc.

Obama untruths it is then!

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Actually I kind of get a kick out of you dropping Obama bombs here on a regular basis.

I would drop McCain bombs if I knew of a good place for it.

AARP.org?

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I'm disappointed

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that the "Great Whore" isn't a bit more ...uhm... enticing ...

I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine

Bunch of old men in robes swinging thuribles.

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The metaphor doesn't exactly leap to mind, does it?

Mr Hagee has interesting opinions - war between Iran

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and the USA is predicted in the book of Ezekiel.

When addressing audiences receptive to Scriptural prophecy, however, Hagee welcomes the coming confrontation. He argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia's leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an "inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon." During his appearance on Hinn's program at the end of last March, for example, the host enthused, "We are living in the last days. These are the most exciting days in church history," but then went on to add, "We are facing now [the] most dangerous moment for America." At one point, Hinn clapped his hands in delight and shouted, "Yes! Glory!" and then urged his viewers to donate money faster because he is running out of time to preach the gospel.

In Hagee's telling, Israel has no choice but to strike at Iran's nuclear facilities, with or without America's help. The strike will provoke Russia -- which wants Persian Gulf oil -- to lead an army of Arab nations against Israel. Then God will wipe out all but one-sixth of the Russian-led army, as the world watches "with shock and awe," he says, lending either a divine quality to the Bush administration phrase or a Bush-like quality to God's wrath.

But Hagee doesn't stop there. He adds that Ezekiel predicts fire upon those who "live in security in the coastlands." From this sentence he concludes that there will be judgment upon all who stood by while the Russian-led force invaded Israel, and issues a stark warning to the United States to intervene: "Could it be that America, who refuses to defend Israel from the Russian invasion, will experience nuclear warfare on our east and west coasts?" He says yes, citing Genesis 12:3, in which God said to Israel: "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you."

To fill the power vacuum left by God's decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist -- identified by Hagee as the head of the European Union -- will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (He adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality.") The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains -- and presumably any nonbelievers -- into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign.


You did not know that?

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Really?

The number of Americans who believe the "Left Behind" novels will actually happen is a disturbing figure.

The proper balance between defense and welfare are the tectonic plates that lie beneath our political discourse.

And don't forget ...

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LB Fridays! h/t, Chuchundra

http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/left_behind/index.html

I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine

I can understand McCain wanting the blessing

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of someone in the religious right: he is a Republican, and they're part of the GOP base.

But why Hagee? The guy is barking mad, and he makes Jeremiah Wright sound like Fred Rogers in comparison.

2012, Manish!!!

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That's when the sh!t really hits the proverbial fan!

It should also be noted that Pastor Hagee only wants Israel defended because that stretch of land will be needed by Jesus and his "End of Dayz" posse who will then fan out and destroy all the heathens including the Jews.

I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine

The Scroll will be Complete!

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http://www.history-of-the-cathars.com/

~At times like these I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates when he said...."I drank what?"

Seriously scary n/t

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Most of your quotes

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are characterizations by others which, of course, means they are useless as you have told us many times regarding McCain. Using your own standards I'd say 90% of this diary is useless to prove what you want to prove.

In all the mumbo-jumbo you posted is there any direct quote of Obama saying that Wright was his spiritual advisor? Or is the diary 100% useless?

This place is my vacation.

As my Chemistry professor told me

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nothing is ever totally useless, it can always be used as a bad example.

I blame it all on the Internet

Zing! Excellent syncopation.

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You're clearly on your game - for the moment. %^>

Better living through chemistry - was that DuPont? And remember that old guy's advice about the future - "plastics".

Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

Heh. The Experiment nobody needs to repeat.

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The wise move for any non-extremist is to...

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...just step away from this one. It's not worth responding to.