Can we say that Iraq has turned the corner?
That's a tough question. To me, it's pretty clear that the situation has stabilized and that the surge strategy is working. Peter Mansoor does a good job explaining why. Also, civilian casualties are about as low as I've seen (hat tip to Engram),

and same goes for military casualties.

These graphs are relevant because they measure how well the current counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy is doing. The change has been stunningly fast, as the Christian Science Monitor has noted. IED bombings are way down, which is a result of both improved intelligence and improved offensive operations against various insurgent and terrorist groups. Michael O'Hanlon reported that Iraqis are returning home, although not yet in significant numbers.
But Iraq today is a very different place than it was two years ago. Overall violence is down at least 80 percent since the surge began, and ethno-sectarian violence -- the kind that seemed to be sucking Iraq into all-out civil war in 2006 -- is down by over 90 percent. Through June, the number of violent civilian deaths has averaged about 700 a month in 2008, a lower rate than in any previous year of the war (with the possible exception of 2003). U.S. military deaths in Iraq have dropped from about 70 a month in early 2007 to about 25 a month now, and the death rate for the ISF has fallen by half, from 200 a month to about 100. Although refugees and internally displaced people are not yet returning home in large numbers, so few Iraqis are now being evicted that the net displacement rate is about zero.Meanwhile, the three main culprits in the ethno-sectarian violence of 2006 have stood down and agreed to cease-fires or been crippled by military defeat. Sunni insurgents overwhelmingly switched sides over the course of 2007, signing on to cease-fires with the Iraqi state mostly through the Sons of Iraq program, which now includes over 100,000 participants, who provide local security in exchange for legitimacy and financial support. The Shiite militias, especially Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army (also know as Jaish al-Mahdi, or JAM), have seen their position undermined by a combination of Sunni realignment, U.S. and Iraqi military pressure, the increasing independence of splinter and rogue groups, and a backlash against their own parasitic exploitation of the civilians they were ostensibly defending. And the most violent actors -- Iraq's extreme chauvinist Sunni groups and AQI -- have been driven from most of western and central Iraq and are losing their remaining urban havens in the provinces of Diyala, Nineveh, and Salah ad Din thanks to a series of offensives by U.S. and Iraqi forces. AQI will surely continue to be able to precipitate occasional incidents of terrorist violence from these hideouts, but its ability to foment large-scale low-intensity warfare is now hugely diminished.
There is another major milestone that also tells the tale, and that's the Basra offensive last March. With the blessing of the Kurdish and Sunni blocs in the national government, al Maliki planned and launched an offensive that routed both criminal and Sadrist elements in Basra, Iraq's second largest city.
As our friend Blaise has mentioned a time or two, Basra is a vitally strategic location, and the offensive spelled the end for Moqtada al Sadr as a militant leader. The British were on the sidelines, perhaps for a reason, and not a good one.
With Basra pacified, al Maliki was able to go on to Sadr City and Mosul and points in between, and it emboldened him to take a more independent and defiant stance regarding coalition forces. Looking back over the last four months, it looks fairly obvious that al Maliki & Co. won and al Sadr & Co. lost. The junior cleric's militias have been neutralized, and just yesterday he announced that he had already ordered his militias to lay down arms, and that he would transform his militias into a "religious and social organization". With an agreeable Status of Forces Agreement (SoFA), al Sadr saves a little face and he will be able to enter the political process and perhaps run for election. I see no evidence of a civil war between the various Shiite groups.
A politically strengthened al Maliki demonstrated his independence by playing hardball in the SoFA negotiations. Good on him. It looks like we're getting close to an agreement:
They say the proposed timeline sets an initial target for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraqi cities and remain on their bases by June 30, 2009. The schedule could be amended depending on security conditions.
With the help of the Sunni awakening movements, al Qaeda still has teeth but is basically on its last legs, which is also testament to the current strategy.
There's another milestone that has occurred, and that's the critical mass of Iraqi forces at sufficient readiness and competence. O'Hanlon:
There are now some 559,000 security personnel, with about 230,000 in the Iraqi army alone, and those ranks are growing by at least 100,000 new soldiers and police a year. Some 55 percent of the units rank in the top two tiers of readiness, according to U.S. assessment methods, which have been improved to include evaluations of actual battlefield performance. (Even these units, however, still need significant coalition help in some areas, particularly for more complex operations.)The size and competence of these Iraqi forces have allowed U.S. commanders to maintain population security even as U.S. troop strength has declined significantly since the surge. With more troops to cover the battlefield, whole Iraqi battalions can be pulled off the battlefield temporarily for training, further increasing their capabilities. At the same time, the United States has greatly expanded its advisory effort. The typical Iraqi division now has over 100 U.S. Army and Marine advisers, who stay with it even in battle, and Iraqi units are often teamed up with U.S. units of comparable or smaller size. The greater availability of troops enables many of these teams to begin deployments in quiet sectors, building both skills and working relationships before being sent to high-threat areas.
Just as important as the ISF's size and technical proficiency are the major changes that have taken place in the ISF's politics and leadership. Sectarian, corrupt, incompetent, and turncoat officers have been removed. Aggressive recruitment and new amnesty and de-Baathification ordinances have led to increases in both the number of Sunnis, especially in the officer corps, and the number of people with prior military experience in the forces. Now, about 80 percent of the Iraqi army's officers and 50 percent of its rank and file are veterans of Saddam Hussein's military, and one of the most capable units in the Iraqi army, the First Brigade of the First Infantry Division, is 60 percent Sunni.
The National Police is also improving, Badr and Fadhila militias are disappearing, and Sunnis are committed to the upcoming elections. There are four levels for evaluating the competence of Iraqi military brigades, as Bill Roggio has described:
• Level 1 is the highest rating, where units are fully independent in all aspects. This includes being able to plan and conduct operations without coalition support. It also means the units sustain themselves through their own systems, handle all maintenance and have every piece of equipment needed to perform any mission.• Level 2 means units that are "in the lead" in the counterinsurgency effort. The units plan and execute their own operations, but they do require coalition support. This support is typically logistics, close-air support, indirect fire, medical evacuation and so on.
• Level 3 indicates units fighting alongside coalition units. An Iraqi company will be embedded with a coalition battalion. The company gets support from the coalition and operates with the battalion.
• Level 4 indicates units just forming.
The top two tiers are critically important because it means that Iraqis are doing the heavy lifting, and American forces are in support roles at the most. Doing the math, with 55% of Iraqi forces at Level 1 or 2, this means that over 126,000 in the Iraqi army are doing the job, which means that we'll be able to redeploy American forces without adversely affecting security. As to how many, we'll be hearing pretty soon.
So why am I not confident that Iraq has turned the corner? Because it's unclear whether or not these improvements are sustainable and irreversible, and people who should know (such as Petraeus and Crocker) continue to say that the situation is improving but fragile. On a personal note, back in March 2004 I wrote that Iraq had turned the corner, but then the four contractors in Fallujah were murdered, insurgency movements grew and security did not improve. So hey, maybe I'm a little gun-shy.
Also, there are some blips on the horizon. Who knows when all eighteen benchmarks will be achieved (Crocker has said that satisfactory progress has been made on 15 of 18), but the timing of when all eighteen will be accomplished is highly unclear. Another blip is the timing of upcoming elections, as the New York Times reported. Omar Fadhil has a good analysis of what happened, which is basically that the Sunni bloc inserted a poison pill into the legislation (Omar is a Baghdad-based Sunni), and because of this, the election will be probably be delayed into 2009.
Other challenges include integrating Sons of Iraq into the Iraqi government, handling returning refugees, and improving a fledgling and immature government. As long as we can help with those challenges, we should do so, as much as the upcoming SoFA will let us.
Update:Bing West is a Marine who wrote a book about COIN in Vietnam called The Village. He has a new book out on Iraq, called The Strongest Tribe, and below is his worthwhile synopsis.
By the way, if you haven't, I suggest you make the Small Wars Journal blog a regular stop on your daily Internet itinerary, and don't forget to say "hi" to Ken White, because he's a regular commenter there. For one reason or another, he gave up The Forvm in favor of SWJ, and it's our loss.
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You can call me a surge skeptic.
I see some nice charts, but none that prove causation.
A lot has been going on. The country has become segregated, people separated according to their religion or ethnicity, so there are fewer clashes.
Also, and this is the main thing, the expectation is that one way or the other, Americans are going to be leaving within the next year or so. No point fighting your civil war while a third party is in the way.
Quiet need not mean peaceful. That's a big logical jump that you are making. These are two very, very different things.
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)The nice charts don't plot the Awakening and payoffs to Sunni insurgents, Al Sadr's ceasefire or the ethnic cleansing and mass exodus of refugees. The US is totally blowing away all opposition in the power point war and we should expect nothing less?
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| parent )You are back were you started and with nothing to show for it.
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)http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080810/ts_nm/iraq_dc
Headline stolen from a commenter at Balloon Juice.
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)Ethnic violence is down by 90% because Baghdad has been divided by blast walls. It is Belfast and Beirut all over again.
I'm deeply angered by this pack of fools. They stand around like some evil firemen who reassure the homeowner the fire is Mostly Out after they pumped gasoline, not water onto the fire. Now Iraq is in ruins, burned literally to the ground. But hey! The Surge worked! It's all great!
I have a solution for these fatuous bozos. Helicopter them into Adhamiya, the Sunni slum in the north of Baghdad, drop them off and let them fend for themselves. They'll end up kidnapped within seconds. They'll learn Arabic, really, really fast.
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Would seem to dominate over there, a dumping ground for opinionated 'dead enders'.
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)Maybe it's the walls.
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)It interferes with their ability launch mortars into the green zone and conduct other militant operations. Ghaith Abdul-Ahad is a Shiite who is friendly enough with al Sadr's Mahdi militias that he can embed with them and produce videos. He lost me at "ghetto", a word he and his friends at The Guardian apparently do not understand. No one is trying to force Iraqis to stay in their neighborhoods. We're just trying to keep militant Islamists out. He might as well call American airports ghettoes. The freedom of movement hasn't been taken away, just made less convenient for the time being.
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| parent )That's not just spin, it's a sort of pure-form disconnect from reality.
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| parent )we might as well call American airports ghettoes, which is another way of my saying that he bastardized the use of the term.
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| parent )Heh. That's Centcom talk.
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| parent )If plain English = Centcom talk, I'm all for Centcom talk! He got through, but he was inconvenienced because he had to go through a security checkpoint. Since he has embedded with al Sadr's militias, I wouldn't a hesitate a second in checkpointing his butt. The walls and checkpoints (they're intended to be temporary) are effective in keeping al Qaeda and other militant Islamists out of neighborhoods. Residents can come and go as they please, but it's unfortunate that it takes longer.
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| parent )The fatalities in Afghanistan, where the 9/11 strikes were directed from, are going the other way. The Taliban is making a strong resurgence. You have to wonder what the U.S. could have achieved there without the strategic distraction of Iraq.
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)I'm afraid I have to bring up the millions of refugees again.
I'm particularly exercised by the fate of several thousand Palestinian refugees stranded on the Jordanian border, where they've been since quite early in the war. Okay, I have a special pleading for the Palestinians, I worked with them. Palestinian refugees were Saddam's special pets: all those Soviet-style apartment blocks on Route Irish were where they lived. Their apartment blocks were taken over by Shiites, the Palestinians were evicted, every last one of them.
When we ask ourselves how best to attenuate terrorism, the most effective COIN strategy is to dismantle refugee camps. Two sorts of terrorists emerge from the camps: the kid who wears the Harness of Ayyash to blow himself (and increasingly herself) up in a market, and the intellectual outsider who is motivated to become a jihadi by the horrible injustice of their confinement. Foreign fighters from Jordan and KSA are still going to Iraq and increasingly Afghanistan. I mean really, if millions of American women and children were held in horrible camps, worse than any jail you've ever seen, wouldn't it anger you? If we are to put any chalk on the board, saying we are winning the war on terror, we must count the refugees, not the current casualties. Refugee statistics are not good: resettlement efforts are miserable and growing worse. I have been giving to Red Cross, you should, too. Red Cross is efficient, and your money will reach refugees, not line some UN administrator's pocket.
Iraq's military is incompetent, and will remain so while they remain on their current 24 day training cycle. This is appalling. These poor kids are being thrust into battle with an absurdly low level of training.
The police are corrupt because the Interior Ministry is corrupt. Iraq is turning into a police state, democracy is a sham. Look to Pakistan as a model for the future of Iraq, with the Kurds and Sunnis playing the role of the Pashtuns and Iran playing the role of India.
In short, Bill Roggio has started drinking the Kool-Aid, and it's very sad. Bang-bang is sexy, talk of military solutions seems so straightforward, the Gordian Knot will be sliced through by the sword of Alexander. Alexander the Great died and his conquests were pulled to pieces immediately upon his death.
The Americans are evolving, and it's good to see the US military re-learning lessons we should never have forgotten. The lesson we have yet to relearn, the saddest and most important lesson, that a shooting war has lasting consequences, that when the elephants fight it's the grass that gets trampled, this lesson we've yet to learn. When the tumult and the shouting dies, when the captains and the kings depart -
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There is no victory here. The consequences of this war could have been foreseen from the beginning. The Mongols reduced the cities of their foes to smoke and ash, leaving piles of skulls as memorials. They sank into oblivion, history only remembers them in the annals of those they conquered. The Ottoman Empire arose in the wake of the Mongols, the Europeans in the wake of the Ottomans, strong men like Saddam in their wake.
When will the world let these people alone, when will the refugees at last go home? Between the Palestinians and the Iraqi refugees, the Middle East has been saddled with ten million refugees. American foreign policy cannot be blamed for all of it, but our policies have allowed these things to happen. If we put as much effort into resettling these refugees as we do in playing Whack-a-Mole with elusive jihadis, we'd be fighting a true counterinsurgency. It is a war we must fight, a war we can fight. When the refugees have homes, we will have cut the heart out of our truest enemy, the fear and anger and resentment of innocent people can be allayed, and not a minute before.
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)I feel for them, and I'm glad Saddam treated them better than other neighboring Arab countries, but like those other Arab countries, Saddam didn't give them citizenship either, and he lost me when he was giving $10,000 rewards to the families of suicide bombers.
I agree that the refugee situation is a concern, and much of it was caused by our own failed strategy pre-2007. We've now seen internal displacement go down to zero and a trickle of refugees returning. I fail to see how removing all combat brigades in one-and-one-third years would do one thing to cause more refugees to return.
As for the 24-day training of Iraqi soldiers, I think you're several years out of date. They go through five weeks of basic training, which will soon be expanded to eight weeks. The kind of training done in 2005 was clearly inadequate.
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| parent )The issue of the absurdly short training cycle? ISTR that a few of the egregiously bad problems with the IA have been ironed out over the last couple of years.
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| parent )is still run on the 28 day cycle. Maybe you know something I don't, in which case I'm quite willing to be proven wrong.
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| parent )When the Middle East is not the center of the world's energy supplies.
Until then, those poor people are doomed to be pawns in the games of others.
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| parent )The most fascinating thing about these diaries is the repeated disinterest in opposition arguments, combined with the repeated attempts to demonize the opposition.
The important thing is, as always, not whether or not US policy serves the national interest, but whether not the perception of US policy serves Republican interests. I never thought I'd live to see a five year long war that was fought primarily for partisan purposes. It takes a special kind of person to support the deaths of thousands of Americans and the wastage of hundreds of billions of dollars in order to make it more likely that George W. Bush's party will win elections.
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)Please show me where this diary made "repeated attempts to demonize the opposition". Please show me where this diary communicates repeated disinterest to opposition arguments. Please show me where this diary shows that the important thing is not national interest but political party interest, or that I support thousands American deaths and wasting hundreds of billions. The last charge is the most serious because you are directly questioning my patriotism without any foundation whatsoever, which should be a posting rules violation around these parts.
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| parent )I think your analysis is off as to why violence is down -- it has more to do with bribing Anbar awakening militias while Sadrists generally held to a ceasefire, and the new ceasefire brokered by Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani (a figure I wish you folks would read up on as emblematic of Iranian soft power in the new Iraq) has done far more to tamp down violence than street-level COIN operations.
These are all, in other words, *political* moves toward reconciling the various factions. Political, yet they are no part of the official 18 political benchmarks. It is because of these accommodations that a postwar Iraq is just beginning to take shape after five years. The question is, are these political stopgaps sustainable? Some maybe, some not. We can't, for instance, continue payments to Sunni tribal figures indefinitely...only an oil sharing agreement is going to bring those guys permanently into the Maliki government. Iran's agreement to reign in Sadr is more hopeful in certain respects...that's the kind of regional involvement it's going to take to maintain Iraqi stability. At the same time, who knows what price Iran will be able to demand for continuing to support the new Iraq? Al Qaeda has basically worn out their welcome...another political, not military, development that has little to do with US forces holding neighborhoods.
So a corner has been turned. But the situation remains fragile. "Satisfactory progress" just isn't going to cut it. Real agreements have to be made for resolving oil sharing and other sticking points, and unfortunately none of the parties are willing to commit while the specter of US withdrawal continues to hang over the situation. Our presence is delaying certain critical agreements from going forward. And as long as long-term solutions are delayed, it would be all too easy to turn yet another corner.
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)In his last speech on the subject he credited the US and Iraqi security forces IOW, the surge, for the stability that has resulted. Maybe he didn't get the memo that baksheesh greasing the palms of those greedy Arabs had carried the day.
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| parent )He'd be a fool not to in the context of a political campaign in which McCain is angling to tie up the reactionary 'nationalist' vote. But he also stressed the contribution made by Al Sadr's ceasefire, the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad and mass exodus of refugees and the Sunni Awakening. Contributions John McCain pointedly ignores in favor of heaping all available praise on teh 'Surge'. Which he and the sainted Petraeus were solely responsible for creating out of the wreckage of the Bush Administrations policy, which he had been in complete agreement with until he wasn't.
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| parent )For a couple reasons. One, there's a little political ju-jitsu going on. Two, it's a more accurate reflection of what's actually happening in Iraq than flapping your arms and shouting "Surge!"
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| parent )Of course he credits the US forces, but I've heard him run through the multiple factors.
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| parent )Once Obama became the de facto Democratic nominee and recognized as a serious contender for the Presidency.
His 16 month withdrawal plan which emphasized disengagement over the continued micro managing of every step in Iraq's emergence as a new nation was seized upon by Maliki as a way to break the Bush Administrations stranglehold on the SOFA and future administration of Iraq. Maliki's publicly expressed support for Obama's plan completely changed the previous dynamic, which had held that those advocating withdrawal were un-serious and replaced it with a new dynamic giving Maliki and the Iraqi's significantly more
control over their own destiny and the status of US forces in Iraq.
McCain is now powerless to effect the outcome in this situation and at best he can only hang on for the ride and hope that whatever the Bush Administration manages to negotiate with a newly empowered Maliki might be seen to vindicate his previous positions. The occupation is finally winding down and all the lofty goals of a few months/years ago revised downward. This is George Bush's final gift to McCain.
If Obama helped achieved all this as a mere nominee, what might he achieve as President? McCain, not so much.
McClatchy has the details of the SOFA capitulation to timetables, specific troop withdrawal dates and US troops/contractors now being subject to Iraqi law.
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)Obama proposed disengagement regardless of the situation on the ground, so your premise is plainly ridiculous.
The "micromanaging" business of yours is another attempt at spin. The Iraqis set the benchmarks, and American forces were (and are) attempting to stabilize a situation so that the Iraqis could effectively govern themselves.
Bush never had a "stranglehold" on the SoFA. Iraq is a sovereign nation and the existing UN-sanctioned SoFA had a hard deadline. If there were such a "stranglehold", why is it that al Maliki has leverage?
Obama achieved nothing as nominee because (1) he is a nominee and (2) he had nothing to do with the strategy that brought us to this situation and (3) Obama and his enablers (including you) are trying to take credit for a strategy that he and his supporters completely rejected and (4) most Iraqis want U.S. forces out of Iraq the sooner the better, and al Maliki and Obama are politicians trying to win an election.
If you want use McClatchy as a source, then do so at your own risk. They're about as biased as anyone I've seen, and you should know that.
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| parent )That's the direct opposite of Obama's position. But thanks for playing.
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| parent )from you know who.
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| parent )Not so.
We've been through all this with Brooks.
Obama proposed disengagement regardless of the perception Bush-McCain wished to maintain in respect to the situation on the ground and how that would impact on permanent US bases and the ability to project force against Iran. The sixteen month withdrawal plan is a game changer, intended to empower the Iraqis to come to terms with shaping their own destiny.
Maliki now has leverage because Obama has emerged as a serious challenger to the Bush-McCain world view by virtue of the better than even chance of his election as the next US President. Making the implementation of his disengagement policy a distinct possibility, and giving Malaki an opportunity to push back against the Bush Administration. An opportunity he seized with both hands by expressing public support for Obama's plan which has undercut the rhetoric from Bush-McCain and forced them to play catch-up.
McClatchy as with their predecessors Knight Ridder, have a reputation for sticking with the facts so I guess you have a problem with facts. Now where have I heard that before?
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| parent )Obama was right. This war in Iraq was a complete screwup, from stem to stern. Anyone who says this war was a great idea, that Saddam was in bed with Al Qaeda doesn't have a clue. Not one clue. Do you realize Saddam shot every terrorist and Wahhabi missionary he found in his country? Every goddamn one.
I wish just one of you warhawks would just learn some Arabic. It's not impossible. Had you put one tenth of the effort into learning Arabic as you have in repeating the old stale lies and half-truths, coming to terms with how these people think and what we might do to bring some measure of genuine stability and peace to the Middle East, the whole bunch of you would have something worth reading. Six million Palestinian refugees, and we dump three billion into Israel every year.
You want to know why we're part of the problem? If anyone dared to oppose the AIPAC lobby, they'd be nailed to the wall, called antisemitic, all the usual fearmongering from the Conservative side of the fence. A billion Muslims look at the USA and say we're being led around by the short hairs by Israel. There isn't a hint of fairness or reasonableness to this debate. Maybe we ought to be listening to Israelis, and not a bunch of rabid religious zealots fat and happy in the USA, without any skin in the game, intent on perverting American foreign policy.
Iraq has taught us an awful lot, not that you're learning anything. Will you admit the Americans had no plan for Iraq? Will you admit every door we knocked down created ten enemies? Will you finally, once and for all come to the conclusion there is no Happy Ending to this story? It's disgraceful. Nobody's going to live Happily Ever After. We've just plowed the ground for a new crop of ethnic conflict. Your Happy Talk about casualties going down is wishful thinking. Baghdad has been turned into Belfast and Beirut. These people have to sort it out for themselves. The British were in Ireland for 600 years, and the war didn't end until they left.
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| parent )given the costs and benefits to date, but he was gloriously wrong starting in early 2007. Now that the situation has stabilized, he may be accidentally right about a 16-month withdrawal if conditions warrant a 16-month timetable.
Your contention that Saddam shot every terrorist he found is factually wrong. The Iraq Report proved that he had cooperative relationships with terrorists. I'd like to see your sources that Saddam shot every Wahhab missionary he found.
Your telling me to learn to Arabic is unhelpful, as is your saying that I'm "repeating old stale lies and half-truths". What lies? What half truths? Where does this post have anything to do with AIPAC? Or Palestinians? As I see it, all you're doing is spouting slogans.
Will you admit the Americans had no plan for Iraq?
What makes you think I haven't? FTR, I have. So what's your point?
Will you admit every door we knocked down created ten enemies?
So we should not have tried to clear and hold? Even though it worked? No, I will not admit to what you are demanding.
Will you finally, once and for all come to the conclusion there is no Happy Ending to this story?
No, because you and I are not Nostradamus, and we are unable to accurately predict future events. But if you want to talk about facts that have actually happened, then by all means let's have a conversation.
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| parent )I offer a medical malpractice analogy.
Suppose a doctor messes you up with a botched surgery. (The 2002/2003 decision to invade Iraq.) He then proposes a new surgical tactic (the surge in 2007) against the advice of people such a Robert Gates and Jim Baker, I also note.
Perhaps the second surgery is called for and perhaps not. But unless the surgeon admits the first error, how can you trust him to get it right?
And as for foreign policy judgment, is President Bush handling Georgia/Russia in a wise manner, from candidate McCain's perspective?
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There also is a strong argument to be made that Iraq's internal trajectory has VERY LITTLE to do with our presence.
Yes, our firepower made it easier for the Anbar chiefs to drive our al Qaeda however al Qaeda is too feeble to have prevailed in Anbar with or without our assistance. Yes, we may have sped up the process and saved lives (a good thing) however our presence was NOT the proximate cause of recent trends.
In short, there is a HUGE Causation-Correlation fallacy issue at the center of "the surge was a success" argument.
--Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.
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| parent )What does a guy like Mansoor know, anyway. I suggest you're engaging in a massive and collective dose of liberal denial.
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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| parent )The Surge isn’t working: Mosul and Kirkuk are in shambles this very second. Now, please don’t repeat that business about The Surge is Working. It’s tragic, that an otherwise intelligent man can be so completely taken in by this faith-based hoo-hah. It’s just not true. It’s at best wishful thinking and at worst willful ignorance of the facts. The refugees are not returning. That’s the only stat which should matter to anyone.
Yeah, learn Arabic. Read the Arabic papers, like I do. It’s not impossible to learn, took me about a year of hard work, but it’s completely phonetic, as easy to read as cursive, you don’t even have to know what you’re reading to sound it out.
As for your admission the Americans had no plan, I’m glad to see that much on the table. I really am.
Clear and hold doesn’t work in Arabic society. Here’s how you clear and hold a town. You first send in an envoy, meet outside the town, trespass is a deal breaker. You lay out your grievance, say someone shot at you, or detonated an IED. You say you demand revenge. You give everyone who attends the meeting a gift, say a good rifle, I’d hand out loads of glossy sports rifles in Iraq to important sheikhs, and silver Maria Theresa thalers for their wives. Quietly inform them you are acutely aware you’re trespassing, but they have to stop these IEDs, and if they can’t, invite you in to deal with people threatening their authority. Have them outline their enemies and friends, build a map of allies and opposition. Then you hold them responsible for what happens next. Invite them to send out a liaison, with a radio and another for the sheikh, so there are no false moves on either party’s part. That way, the Americans hear shooting and can shout at the liaison “WTF is going on?” and the sheikh at the other end of the radio can say “Yeah, there’s AQ or a Shiite militia in town, get in here and deal with them with my blessing” or “stay out of this, the Hatfields and McCoys are at it, as they have been for the last six centuries, thanks for the call, let us handle this one”
Arabs are unbelievably sensitive about trespass, especially into a room with a woman in it. There is no clear / hold / build. Arab Realpolitik extends down to individual walls and compounds. When authority breaks down in Arab society, it’s complete anarchy, not like in the USA, where we consider ourselves individuals. The worst thing Saddam ever did was tear out the tribal authority structures. We should have made that our first priority. The tribes would have sorted this mess out for us.
Look, you’re okay by me. We’ll be here a while longer, let’s agree on one thing: the current situation isn’t tenable as long as the Americans are in country. You’re right, insofar as we can’t abandon Iraq to anarchy, I’m right insofar as we’ve got it bass ackwards: there’s no American solution to this problem.
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| parent )Al Qaeda just got their asses handed to them in Mosul, and Kirkuk is an ethnically mixed city that is stable. Where do you get this "shambles" business from?
As for clear-and-hold in Arab society, why do you think Petraeus hired and used anthropologists? The Anbar Awakening worked because because American Marines figured out Arab culture enough to implement a workable strategy. If you haven't, check out this piece from Col. MacFarland. What MacFarland did is a microcosm of what is happening on a national scale. I don't see where we disagree that there isn't an American solution to the problem, because I don't see where the current strategy is trying to foist an American solution on to the Iraqis.
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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| parent )when you know what you are talking about?
I have a similar problem with people who don't understand Spanish and never visited Latin America except Cancun in spring break, trying to lecture the world on who is or who isn't a dictator.
Funny, they seem to be the same ones who can't read Arabic and lecture on Iraq!
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--This place is my vacation.
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| parent )or both. I know enough to say I don't know. This much I do know, The Almighty equipped us all with two ears and one mouth, and that's about the proportion in which they should be used.
I speak Spanish, too. That's an easy language, but I kept trying to shoehorn French into it. I remember trying to use the word Cloud for the first time in Spanish. In French, it's nuage, but in Spanish it's nube. Latin nebula. Well there I was, trying variants nuago, enduring hoots of laughter from my wife-to-be. Finally I resorted to Latin, and she got it.
Lesson learned: never try to superimpose one Romance language over another. Resort to Latin.
If you're going to learn Arabic, master the Qu'ran first. Gives you a thousand good verb usages, and bits of Qu'ran can be inserted into conversation, everyone knows every word. Especially useful when you're trying to use emotions of tolerance and forbearance. Says you care about the essentials. Get a good copy of the Qu'ran in translation and transliteration, work backwards through that tiny book, for the smaller suras are at the back, and they are the most beautiful. Just reciting the Qu'ran aloud is excellent practice, every Muslim will help you. I received invaluable help in this from an old man, who would correct my every mistake, I felt like a monkey or a dolphin mastering human speech. It is a magnificent language, once you grasp its essentials, it's like riding a horse you can't quite control, it will throw you off a lot, and people will laugh at you, good naturedly. They remember how hard it was for them, the Qu'ran is nobody's native speech. But once you've got the Qu'ran in hand, you have Arabic by the short and curlies.
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| parent )They will never be forgiven for getting the story right on weapons of mass destruction.
--More Wagster!
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| parent )The more of those that were met, the less the subject has been mentioned. Funny how that works.
Equally humorous is how what the Dems consistently called a puppet government in Iraq suddenly has become Athenian in its wisdom.
Who in their right mind wouldn't want a foreign army off their soil ASAP? If Maliki is as representative of the Iraqi people as the Dems suddenly seem to believe, his current position presumably reflects the Iraqi citizenry's belief that matters there have stabilized to the point where the massive presence of US forces no longer is necessary. Which is an important benchmark to the US, regardless of party politics, right? I'd like to hear Sparaticvs explain how Obama deserves credit for the success of military and political policies that he has opposed everty step of the way.
Where is Harry "The War Is Lost" Reid these days? I'm in Nevada right now, and have yet to hear anyone say something positive about the guy. Hopes are running high that the next two years in office will be his last.
--In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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| parent )You are struggling to stay afloat and close to processing your last breath on this subject. He is considering offering you a helping hand but there is this tempting urge let you sink or swim without intervening any further.
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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