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This is a thread for recommending movies you've seen recently.

I liked the White Ribbon, by Michael Haneke (who also made 'The Piano Teacher' and 'Cache', both of which are very good.)

It's set in in a small town in pre-WWI Germany and highlights the strain of social institutions (the church, semi-feudal employers) to cope with the distrust and malice of the time. The movie works on a number of levels and had me thinking about the insights at a personal psychology level, a sociological-level re: the rise of fascism, and at the international-level concerning relations between states in the run-up to WWI. It's the best movie I've seen recently.

Feel free to leave recs and such below. I'm excerpting a review I liked of the movie to drum up interest:

Michael Haneke’s latest movie “The White Ribbon”, ... is the study of social relations in a German farming village on the eve of WWI. ... the persistence of feudal relationships not only explains WWI, but the rise of fascism and WWII as well. Although Nazism is most associated with the motto Kinder, Küche, Kirche, “The White Ribbon” illustrates that these values had deep roots in German society. And Haneke’s main goal is to show their underlying perverse realities.

Unlike any film I have seen in years, “The White Ribbon” has the dimensions of a novel. ...

Three men symbolize the village’s warped ethos. At the top of the ladder is The Baron (Ulrich Tukur) who exemplifies Junker values. The villagers depend on him for their livelihood even when he is indifferent to their most basic needs. When the wife of one of his peasant hands falls to death in his sawmill (either from rotting floors or sabotage), her oldest son takes revenge in the best way known to him. During a harvest celebration paid for by the Baron, a kind of seasonal ritual going back perhaps a thousand years, he sneaks off to the Baron’s cabbage path and hacks it to pieces with his scythe. After he is caught, the Baron takes retribution by firing his father who then hangs himself in despair. In the feudal conditions of prewar Germany, labor markets in the countryside were as static as one of the levels in Dante’s Inferno.

Beneath the Baron is the Pastor (Burghart Klaussner) who is enough to turn anybody into an atheist. A rigidly authoritarian figure, especially to his own children, he decides to tie his teenaged son’s hands to the bed each night to prevent him from masturbating. The name of the movie originates from his decision to force his children to wear white ribbons as a reminder of their sins.

Finally, there is the Doctor (Rainer Bock, who played a Nazi general in “Inglourious Basterds”), who treats his long-time mistress, a midwife in his hire, as a piece of dirt. In one of the film’s most powerful scenes, he hurls invective at her in the course of explaining why he chooses not to screw her any longer. In the absence of the kind of physical violence that usually accompanies such a scene (face slaps, etc.), it reaches a far higher level of pain. His hatred for women is palpable.

Within this deranged universe, there is one voice of sanity. It is the local schoolteacher (Christian Friedel) who provides voice over commentary throughout the film. He symbolizes the urbane enlightenment values that get trampled underfoot in this rural dungeon held together by the iron bars of Protestantism and Privilege. ...

While Haneke clearly intended the schoolteacher to be the character audiences would most clearly identify with, we are left with the conclusion that he was odd man out in pre-WWI Germany. This was a society soaked in feudal backwardness even as it was home to some of the most advanced industrial technologies in the world and a large socialist movement.

Turning to Arno Mayer’s “The Persistence of the Old Regime”, we discover why this was the case. It was rooted in the material reality of class relations. Germany, like most of Europe including even Britain, had never made a clean break with the powerful agrarian aristocracy.

Mayer makes the economics behind this quite clear. While Germany had the reputation, even deservedly so, as an industrial powerhouse, no more than 15 percent of the population was employed in the capital goods sector (steel, machine tools, etc.) Meanwhile, the landed aristocracy enjoyed enormous power through its vast holdings. A mere 3000 individuals owned some 15 percent of Germany’s arable land. Around the turn the turn of the century, more than 60 percent of the active work force was farm hands like those depicted in “The White Ribbon”.

Even as the new industrial bourgeoisie was in the ostensible position to assert itself, it was habitually appropriating the symbols and values of the feudal classes. Mayer writes:

Indeed, not only in Prussia but throughout Germany the nonagrarian economic elites and their retainers in the free professions never sought or found an autonomous social, cultural, and political ground from which to challenge the old society. The new men of exceptional wealth and talent fervently solicited or accepted the imperial and noble seal. In particular during the half-century preceding 1914, the “enriched bourgeois” systematically pressed their procurement of titles that legitimized “their connection with the dominant class and . . . adapted the new social forces to the old aristocratic environment,” thereby also “reinvigorating” the formerly hostile nobility with “new blood and new economic energy.” With equal effectiveness and greater frequency the new capitalists, after appropriating the aristocratic life-style, propelled their sons to become reserve officers, to join dueling fraternities, and to marry into the old society. This social climbing, including the ennobling marriages of daughters, never really waned. Nor was it dismissed as either ludicrous or eccentric. In fact, it may be said to have intensified with the atrophy of liberalism before 1914.

http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/the-white-ribbon/

Like I said, 'The White Ribbon' will likely stimulate thinking about historical/sociological issues and might be a good match for some of you. The film manages to capture many 1000s of words in its frames and if you're in the mood for something a little arty, this is definitely thought-provoking and great film-making.

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I saw the latest Almodovar

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It's called Broken Embraces. (The title sounds way better in Spanish... Abrazos Rotos.) Quite good, but spins a little out of control in the last act. Still, even below-average Almodovar is worth seeing.

I've always felt that melodrama as a genre is unjustly maligned. Really, that's pretty much all of what Almodovar has been doing lately. He is the Master of Melodrama as surely as Hitchcock is the Master of Suspense. Which reminds me, maybe its the music or the visual calculation or something but there's a lot of Hitchcock in this one.

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That Last Italicized Bit

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seems to describe what's underway in China now.

Interesting and worrisome

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Throw some nationalism into the mix and that's a problem. Anecdote:

I was discussing different ethical and legal standards across cultures and countries in an engineering ethics course last spring.

A student brought up the example of China, where copyright standards perhaps aren't as ingrained or respected.

Immediately a female Chinese engineer raised her hand and when I called on her said 'Don't criticize China'.

Did you tell her to....

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...go fly a kite?

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Just explained we weren't criticizing, but describing

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After class she told me she didn't like what she thought was a lot of criticism of China in the US.

I could understand that, but also sensed some serious nationalism in her over-reaction.

Per an Acquaintance

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who lived somewhere in China I can't remember, and could never pronounce, for several years, nationalism runs strong.

Runs pretty strong here, too, in places, especially when foreigners start taking potshots.

Desidiosus has a theory about that.

How about "don't go to school in America if you don't want to

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hear a particular country (including America) criticized in or outside of the classroom."

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"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Boring!!

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Wanna build interest? You'll need to punch up some of these movie threads.

Here; try somethin' like this.

Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham

I've always felt that socialism...

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...was more of an immune response than a healthy working of society. Pretty much everyone agrees that some folks are leeches and we need a system that allows people to be rewarded for good work. So that system must be almost completely absent if a socialist movement has arisen.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

The linked review comes from a site

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where the guy identifies himself as an 'unrepentant Marxist'.

Perhaps he believes society is too prone to becoming ill to ever operate as if it can count on continued health.

I did like how he lumped in a socialistic movement with advanced technology:

This was a society soaked in feudal backwardness even as it was home to some of the most advanced industrial technologies in the world and a large socialist movement.

How would you sustain a socialist movement...

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...in the absence of industrial productivity?

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

I just meant

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the author lumped together advanced technology and a socialistic movement as 'non-backward' features of Germany.

Just a little speculation on my part that the reviewer's favorable opinion of socialism contributed to lumping them together...

non feudal I guess he meant

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nt

The last paragraph sounds a lot like industrial revolution britain too.