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They do get unwieldy around here...

 

Hey everybody, stop watching the NFL.

 

The moral angle: the NFL ref lockout is about insanely greedy owners wanting to pocket pension cuts.

 

The pragmatic angle: the refs aren't coming back until owners are pressured by declining viewership.

 

So if you do the math on this one, it says to stop watching the NFL.

 

Don't take my word for it!

 

The moral angle according to Aaron Rodgers: Rodgers began by apologizing to fans of the game -- "something the NFL is not going to do," he said. Rodgers added: "The product that is on the field is not being complemented by an appropriate set of officials. The games are getting out of control. ... The game is being tarnished by an NFL that obviously cares more about saving some money than having the integrity of the game diminished ..."

 

The pragmatic angle according to TJ Lang: "I think we’ve gotten to a point where if we don't take a stand, nothing's going to happen. We'd just be letting these refs ruin games. The NFL doesn't give a crap. They're still making money. People are still coming to the games."

 

Anyway, leave some thoughts below!

 

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My favorite of the genre

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You know why Romney isn't doing so well in the polls right now?

 

B/c I don't like X and Romney is doing X. 

 

This implausible Forbes diagnosis is the best of that genre:

 

Will China Bashing Cost Mitt Romney The Election?

 

Last January, I warned Romney’s support for a weak dollar policy relative to China would prove to be the economic Achilles Heel of his campaign.  And, unless he changes course, that appears to be exactly what is happening.

... Ever since the Romney campaign’s China bashing initiative, the momentum has shifted to President Barack Obama.  Within six days, Michigan, then Wisconsin went from “toss up” to “lean Obama” according to the Real Clear Politics (RCP) electoral map.  And, in RCP’s latest no toss-up results, President Obama now is expected to roll up a 347 to 191 majority in the Electoral College by winning all of the swing states. According to Intrade, odds of President Obama being re-elected have shot up about 10 percentage points to 70%.

Wow...

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That is perhaps the stupidest bit of political commentary I've ever heard.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

But surely in your travels across this great country, wags,

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you will have found that love of a strong $ and China is nowhere more concentrated than in the great states of Michigan and Wisconsin.

Even Here in Blue Los Angeles, I'm Seeing Ads Saying...

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...Obama stood up to China re importation of cheap tires, Romney opposed Obama and would allow China to continue unfair trade practices.

 

I don't know jack about this issue, but this post makes it sound like Romney was bashing China, while Mr O's ads say exactly the opposite.

 

What gives?

 

(I find the Obama ads to be very effective...but what is true here, I don't get the conversation)

 

Traveller

Let it go Trav, it's Chinatown nt

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HankP's picture

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I blame it all on the Internet

In OH there's been lots of Romney ads

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bashing Obama for allowing China to "cheat" and for sending jobs to China.

 

Obama's response ads say, no, Romney's the bigger China-lover since he shipped jobs there while at Bain.

 

So obviously Romney's recent decline is a popular backlash borne of this country's deep love for China. And the electorate is just waiting to get all hot and excited for Romney's eventual support of a strong dollar policy.

 

... the forbes piece isn't so much pro-Chinese propaganda as it is pro-multinationals propaganda, but the difference isn't so stark, is it?

 

(Also, there's a "Leave China/Britney aaallone!" joke in here) 

I lol'd at that ad

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stinerman's picture

The Crossroads ad where Obama is letting the Chinese STEAL OUR IDEAS!!!!!

 

I think it goes to show that with our heavy reliance on copyright and patents as a way to keep business profitable (instead of actual R&D) that such monopolies are considered to be an integral part of a free market.  It's almost as though people are starting to agree that if Apple comes up with a phone with rounded corners then no one else gets to have a phone with rounded corners for the next 20 years.

 

"Stealing ideas" happens all the time and it's one of the things that requires businesses to continue to make a better proverbial mousetrap instead of getting to rest on their government-sponsored monopoly.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Stupid, or just blinkered?

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Jay C's picture

I'm sure Mitt Romney would only be too happy to have "China-bashing" as his main campaign problem!

You haven't been at Redstate lately, have you? nt

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HankP's picture

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I blame it all on the Internet

prove it

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post something from redstate dumber than that romney's losing b/c he went negative on china. 

OK

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HankP's picture

let's start with this and this. And of course, read the comments as well.

I blame it all on the Internet

This is hilarious

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HankP's picture

my favorite was the new monetarists

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who see themselves as Buddhas rather than the daleks. Too funny.

I liked the Austrians

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HankP's picture

Will appear in response to posts regarding: Monetary policy, the gold standard, gold, and possibly pyrite

I blame it all on the Internet

Oh, come on guys

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the dork takes the prize and you know it!

 

 

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

libertarianism

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stuff white people like

1.5 million march against austerity in Spain

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not the most reported story in US media.

"march against austerity"? (with question)

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Jay C's picture

Following your link, catchy, it seems like that huge march in Barcelona wasn't so much "anti-austerity", as pro-Catalan separation/independence: quite another matter; and, IMO, a more serious one for Europe. To be fair, it doesn't seem to have gotten a lot of coverage even in Spain (which looks to have gotten the Catalans even more p*ssed off), but regional separatism in Europe is a chronic and under-reported problem. Which Europe's recent fiscal woes have only aggravated: Catalonia's main (non-cultural/political) issue with the central government in Madrid seems to be one of taxation: they are doing relatively better, economically than other regions of Spain, and the austerity programs demanded by the ECB would hit them harder: since they have (apparently) more to lose.

 

Here's my question: I've read enough political commentary this election season to pick up on the CW that a European financial [crisis/collapse/meltdown/secession, etc] would some how be fatally bad news for the Obama Administration, and perhaps cost the President his re-election. I really wonder why that would be? Except on the Republican wishful-thinking "grounds" that bad news anywhere is "bad news for Obama", maybe?

 

AFAICT, the Republicans' economic "plan" (scare-quotes deliberate) - such little of it as they have been willing to articulate - very much resembles the "austerity budgets" some European states (the UK comes to mind) have adopted in response to the Great Recession since 2009. And which have had the effect of depressing recovery from the recession considerably compared to the US.

Austerity Riots in Madrid

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The Barcelona thing had some austerity mixed in, as accelerant, but the fuel is the desire for regional political and economic independence. And maybe a little pique that Adelson's ginormous EuroVegas casino is going to Madrid and not Barcelona.

 

Here's the link for Madrid's austerity protests.

I don't quite have my big boy pants* on like John Cole

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brutusettu's picture

does with regards to the scab NFL refs.   Former and current players & coaches seem to agree to a man that the scab refs aren't nearly up to par with normal refs.

 

 

Which made my FB feed a little bit more amusing to wake up to the laziest person I worked with during high school claiming that since the old NFL refs weren't perfect, and neither are the scabs, that somehow no one should point out that the scabs are easily worse because, profit.  Another lesson in how to run a business from someone that's only other "jobs" are getting paid to play basketball or coach it, and paid by almost unanimously state run institutions.   Not that b-ball players  that are lazy outside their hobby can never be right, it's just kinda amusing to me that someone was/(maybe is) lazy outside their hobby is basically advocating the profit making move of having a very slightly cheaper product that will drive customers away in large numbers...  New Coke ftw.

 

 

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"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Damn! Maybe They Know Better How to Have Fun?...nt

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Traveller

Good article

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by Friedersdorf.

  But some actions are so ruinous to human rights, so destructive of the Constitution, and so contrary to basic morals that they are disqualifying. Most of you will go that far with me.

A Gary Johnson supporter

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why isn't this in my diary on voting for Gary Johnson?!

 

Lines in the sand on civil liberties is an entirely fair question. I honestly don't have an answer for it.

 

... the article is like the flip of my diary. Downsides to Johnson's economic policies aren't considered or weighed against civil liberties upsides. 

 

For example, the thousands of innocents killed in Pakistan might be offset by the thousands of increased suicides in the US should a deep recession set in.

 

Scaling up from the increased numbers of suicides in the UK since Cameron drove the UK into recession (I recall reading its increased by about 2,000 per year since his recession started), the number of innocents killed by these policies look to be near each other. 

It's an anti-Obama article

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not a pro-Johnson article.  Is Friedersdorf supporting Johnson?  I don't read the guy on a regular basis.

Glowing Ahmadinejad: I Am The Nuclear Weapon We've Been Building

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Good news NFL fans

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Ref lockout ended, so no more scoldings. 

 

You're lucky too, coz I really had some doozies up my sleeve.

Nationalism is insanity.

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mmghosh's picture

No kidding.

 

Being anti-Japan is in. On September 11, the Japanese government announced plans to buy the Diaoyu Islands, which China claims as its own. Since then, anti-Japan moon cakes saying, “Bite little Japan to death”, are on sale for the upcoming Mid-Autumn Festival, and those shouting “Diaoyu Islands belong to China’’ get a 10 per cent discount at certain restaurants and stores in small cities. The discount goes up to 20 per cent if the slogan is changed to “Japan belongs to China.”

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Nissan Motors has announced plans to close its factory until October 8, the end of the National Day week-long holiday. A dip in production would affect the thousands of Chinese working in Japanese firms. But emotions are so high that one man set fire to his own Honda Civic.

It's those peaceful Chinese

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brutusettu's picture

Most civilized people don't burn cars and shut down factories over disputed pieces of uninhabited soil. (/sarcasm)

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Soak the rich!

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mmghosh's picture

They are at their fattest.

Some would say that 2011 wasn't exactly a banner year, but the good chaps at Rolls-Royce would likely respond with a definitive "Poppycock!" That's because the 107-year-old brand experienced its best-ever sales totals in 2011, with 3,538 very expensive autos sold around the globe. That's a 31 percent increase over the 2,711 models sold in 2010, thanks mostly to brisk sales of the Ghost and Phantom models.

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With sales up 31 percent, it's clear that the storied automaker was on fire the world over, but certain markets really catapulted the marque. In fact, sales in Asia were up 47 percent, and the U.S. saw 17 percent growth. Austerity measures in England didn't stop the craze for new Rolls-Royce models, either, with sales up 30 percent.

There's A Song For Comments Like This

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M Scott Eiland's picture

*Scott clears his throat, then bursts forth in song*

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I Have Seen a Few RR's Up Close...They are Brutish...

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...almost armor car-like.

 

Need I say they are hard to park or find a large enough parking space for?

 

Ahem

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

I Wouldn't Mind An Aston Martin DB5

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Lovely car, and a tribute to my mom's love of Mr. Sean Connery as James Bond. Notwithstanding that I'm quite fond of my boring 1998 Toyota Corolla VE with significant paint blemishes and a jammed driver door. Sometimes one has an item of admiration that they wouldn't go even remotely out of their way to indulge, but which they would revel in with enthusiasm should it fall in their lap.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Silly Traveller. That's what chauffeurs are for. -nt-

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M Aurelius was probably right.

Watch out where the huskies go...

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Jay C's picture

...and don't you eat that treated snow!

 

Flagstaff, AZ's Arizona Snowbowl just passed the last legal hurdle (apparently) to implement its plan to boost their snowmaking capacity by using used sewer water  treated effluent, purchased used from the City of Flagstaff.

 

I know skiing is a sport with a lot of inherent dangers: falls, orthopedic injuries, hypothermia, frostbite, etc.: I wonder how the resort will deal with having to add cholera and dysentery to the list of disclaimers on their lift tickets?

ATTENTION JUNIOR MODERATOR!!! LESS THAN ONE HOUR

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M Scott Eiland's picture

TO GET YOUR PICKS IN!!!

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I'm done with these Thursday games

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stinerman's picture

And Yahoo in general.  It makes no sense that you're not allowed to vote for the games that haven't started yet.

 

I'm in a College Football league.  Those guys play games any day of the week.  Its crazy.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

I guess you never played in a football pool before

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HankP's picture

everyone gets their picks in before a deadline.

I blame it all on the Internet

A pool?

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stinerman's picture

You mean where idiots people gamble?  Of course not.  I have a degree in Math for crying out loud.

 

If I don't have a pick in before the time the game is played, it makes sense that I would lose that game.  It doesn't make sense that I should lose every game for that week.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Like I said

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HankP's picture

you haven't been in a football pool before. The way it works at Yahoo is not uncommon.

I blame it all on the Internet

I don't care how common it is

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stinerman's picture

It's F-ing stupid.  Unless knowing the score of the Thursday game gives someone insight into the Sunday and Monday games.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Sorry, Man

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I was busy all day and only checked an hour before just to make sure some glitch hadn't happened (yes, I am that paranoid).

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

NFL-NFLRA Agreement Terms

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From NFL.com:

 

The current defined benefit pension plan will remain in place for current officials through the 2016 season (or until the official earns 20 years of service). The defined benefit plan then will be frozen.

 

 

» Retirement benefits will be provided for new hires, and for all officials beginning in 2017, through a defined contribution arrangement, which will have two elements: an annual league contribution made on behalf of each game official that will begin with an average of more than $18,000 per official and increase to more than $23,000 per official in 2019, and a partial match on any additional contribution that an official makes to his 401(k) account.

 

» Apart from their benefit package, the game officials' compensation will increase from an average of $149,000 per year in 2011 to $173,000 in 2013, rising to $205,000 by 2019.

 

 

» Beginning with the 2013 season, the NFL will have the option of hiring a number of officials on a full-time basis to work year-round, including on the field.

 

» The NFL will have the option to retain additional officials for training and development purposes and can assign those additional officials to work NFL games. The number of additional officials will be determined by the NFL.

 

Aren't those terms pretty much what the NFL was asking for before the lockout?

 

 

 

Damn, did Darth re-up on the blue pills?

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Lotta spam comments again.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

I know

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HankP's picture

from the contents of the spam, it appears that he has an itchy vagina.

 

The spam software isn't working, time to try something else.

I blame it all on the Internet

Maybe If We Had Fewer "Douchebags"

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on the site, we wouldn't be considered such a meshy target.

I guess mentioning vinegar and water is out too nt

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HankP's picture

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I blame it all on the Internet

Ugh! Work has owned my

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a$$ for the last few days and I haven't been able to keep up.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I installed a different anti-spam module

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HankP's picture

let's see how that works.

I blame it all on the Internet

Seems to work!

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aireachail's picture

Unfortunately, you aren't going to be able to see the spectacularly funny post I just came up with.

 

**sigh**

 

 

It's difficult

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HankP's picture

allowing anonymous comments really puts a big target on the site. But I'll keep playing with it.

I blame it all on the Internet

Don't Forget The Courtside Pit Of Rabid Honey Badgers

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M Scott Eiland's picture

NBA prepares to lower the boom on flopping.

The threat of postgame review is the best development--no more of this:

without a big fine or a suspension following.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

If they can enforce this

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If they can enforce this uniformly and fairly, it could be a fantastic adjustment.  I'm sick of the late game BS.

Is it too much to hope

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HankP's picture

that they'll start calling traveling again?

I blame it all on the Internet

I wish I could care

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Bird Dog's picture

But my team is in OKC. F**k Howard Schultz and his flying monkey Wally Walker. I wish it were harder to not buy something at Starbucks.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula

For the Record, Abbas Sounds Statesman-Like, Bibi Not So Much

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...it is now difficult to find what Abbas said in quoted text earlier today...it is almost like the media everywhere scrubbed his reasonableness.

 

For instance:

 

Abbas said that seeking an upgrade of Palestinian membership was not aimed at harming Israel.

"In our endeavor, we do not seek to delegitimize an existing state - that is Israel - but to assert the state that must be realized - that is Palestine," he said.

 

Sounds just about right to me.

 

"Despite all the complexities of the prevailing reality and all the frustrations that abound, we say before the international community there is still a chance - maybe the last - to save the two-state solution and to salvage peace," Abbas told the U.N. General Assembly.

 

Bibi:

 

"We won't solve our conflict with libelous speeches at the U.N.," he said. "That's not the way to solve it. We won't solve our conflict with unilateral declarations of statehood."

 

I am sure that Bibi was referring to Abbas` complaint that Settlers continued to build Settlements and assault Palestinians in the Territories.

 

This is not libel...this is just true.

 

I am a strong supporter of Israel, but it is Abbas that sounds reasonable and smart...I hope they gain membership in the UN, even if only as a non-member state.

 

Hey, they could then file criminal charges for war crimes against Israel and the United States.

 

Works for me.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

 

Boss of the United States

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offers up his big idea with a nifty visual aid:

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/bibis-subtext-i...

 

 

What's Your Beer Score?

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It's Friday, so let's talk about beer. Hotline On Call ran a survey of the beer drinking habits of Democrats & Republicans: what does your brew of choice say about your voting habits?

 

Low turnout liberals? Big Corona drinkers, but non-voting conservatives go for the Busch. I'm surprised Republican likely voters are so into Sam Adams, as I always thought of that as kind of a fancy beer. I guess I get the patriotic thing. Stella Artois makes sense, but Rolling Rock (the national beer of hipsters) doesn't. Blue Moon's a surprise too. Wheat beer? Seriously, conservatives? With the little lemon wedge (or orange wedge) and everything? 

 

What about deep-wonk Democratic pragmatists who are absolutely, positively going to vote (i.e., me)? Well I don't see any Belgian ales on the list. Nor Shiner (anything but bock), nor Newcastle. No Lone Star, no Sapporo, no home-brew, no Harp, no Brooklyn (probably too local). 

 

I'm starting to think to myself: what the hell kind of sad sack 3-tap airport bar did they take this survey in? Or was it a stadium? A Chili's? My corner bodega carries more varieties of beer than this...and they still find room for about twice as many varieties of Jesus candle. 

 

(h/t Drum)

 

M Aurelius was probably right.

Sam Adams

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for commercial brew, Sam Adams is probably my favorite.

 

This poll is totally skewed and bogus, just like every poll done by and for the defunct/all-powerful MSM and their lieberal masters. 

Sam Adams is The REM of Beer

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Everybody's intro to the niche market.

 

Everybody of a certain age.

It got popular

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Right around the time I turned 21. By the time I was 23 there were a crazy amount of microbrews and imports available here in Chicago. Was in Belgium a couple months ago. Just amazing beers there, wish I could have spent more time. 

The whole microbrew thing started

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HankP's picture

right around when I moved to Seattle. Before that Molson was pretty exotic.

I blame it all on the Internet

Yeah but before that there were regional beers

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Yeungling was the cheap but ok tasting stuff when I was growing up in PA.  You couldn't find it anywhere else and to tell the truth, if you were anywhere else you weren't really looking for it.  Now it's all over the east coast.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Ha

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HankP's picture

yeah, I remember Rheingold, Knickerbocker Natural, Rolling Rock, Utica Club and Genesee Cream Ale. I'll take the microbrews.

I blame it all on the Internet

I like Rolling Rock

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in those rare moments I'm in the mood for a light beer.  The problem with RR it that it skunks too easily but when un-skunked it's not so bad.  There's also a vast difference in taste between the pained labeled and paper labeled bottles.  The stuff in the paper label bottles is only good for poisoning your neighbor's dog.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Yup

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HankP's picture

if you look at it cross eyed it skunks, like Heineken.

 

I prefer the extra hops that you tend to get nowadays. Carbonation by itself isn't enough of a bite for me.

I blame it all on the Internet

See, Corona is a lot more consistent if you

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want a beer so light it might as well be a glass of water. Rolling Rock normally tastes bad, but you don't notice how bad it is because you're so busy being relieved that it doesn't taste like a match struck on a sewer pipe. Whereas Corona just tastes like Coors Light Light.

M Aurelius was probably right.

My dad

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Would buy maybe one six pack of michelob a month( not a big drinker). As a kid I thought the gold foil on the neck was really exotic. 

 

Theres at least 3 different microbrews made within the city these days, and many more in the nearby area. Beer should taste like beer IMO. 

Beer should taste like beer, but there are two kinds of beer

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tastes.  There's evening 'STFU, I'm relaxing over here' beer.  Where a more refined taste is in play. Then there's the beer that's only appropriate to drink if you have a garage door open.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I always thought there were three kinds of beer

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HankP's picture

p*sswater, which tastes like grain flavored seltzer.

 

Malt flavored, like most stouts, porters and scottish ales

 

Hop flavored, like pilsners, lagers and IPAs

 

I generally go for the hoppier types.

I blame it all on the Internet

Hank, it was 'two kinds of beer taste'

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as in personal taste.  There's the stuff you personally enjoy, I go for the maltier stuff myself.  Then there's the stuff you drink when you really are thirsty.  Feet up on my back porch I'm drinking something so dark bats fly into it.  But for my front yard to back yard mowing transition a Bud works better.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

What a crap poll. No Zima on your side?

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Right there I know it's bogus.  Yeah, I know Zima isn't a beer but liberals don't know that. 

On a serious note, can anyone here defend Stella A-holois?  I had some the other day and all it did was make me angry.  Beer really shouldn't do that.  Beer is supposed to flow from the bottle to the body to the bladder to the bathroom (or bushes).  That stuff tasted like they got something out of order.

 

 

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

It's OK

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HankP's picture

if you're really hot and thirsty and it's really cold. Pretty much Miller or Bud with a European name.

I blame it all on the Internet

Yeah, kinda my thoughts too, Hank

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T'was a double whammy though.  I am a dark, bitter, heavy beer fan, the sort of stuff you can drink with a fork.  So I wasn't expecting to like it, I just wasn't expecting to dislike it as much as I did.  Add the nut-tap of spending as much on one as I would a good craft beer and I became a little upset.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Tried a new bourbon Darth

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HankP's picture

4 Spirits Bourbon Whiskey. It's a local craft distillery from the Corvallis OR area. It's not bad, pretty mild but a bit overpriced. But bonus for you, they contribute "a portion" of their revenues to veteran groups. So it's like putting .00001 cents back in your pocket.

I blame it all on the Internet

Stella Is a Decent Pilsner

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Ouiet. Refreshing. Just a snap of hops and malt. You know what it's really good for? Mixing half-and-half with a Belgian lambic.

 

Too many of our American micro-brews are hoppy ales, and most brewers seem to think they're caught in an escalating hopwar, everybody scrambling to increase bitterness yield.

 

Many of our hopbombs are wonderful, of course. There's always a couple of Sierra Nevadas in the fridge here, and often a Sierra Nevada Torpedo and occasionally a Stone Ruination.

 

But I also like a Fat Tire, which is sweet relative to those others, and sometimes a brown ale like Newcastle, nutty and caramelly (Sierra Nevada's "Tumbler" is a hopped up version).

 

There's always room for a few Stellas in the beer fridge and also for a few Czechvars -- another pilsner, but with more bite and spice than Stella --for hot afternoons when a heavy ale does more harm than good. And for late evenings, when it's time to slow down after several IPAs, but not quite time to call it a night. 

 

Asahi Super Dry fills that role, too. Make sure you get the 500 ml can imported from Japan and not the stuff brewed and bottled by Molson in Canada.

 

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I've noticed that lots of micro-breweries are embracing the Belgian beer tradition, and so we're seeing lots of American takes on some great fruity ales. I'm looking forward to an American micro-brew appropriation of the German/Eastern European traditional lagers and pilsners. The circle will be complete.

Agreed on all the overhopping going on.

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It's like there's a race to see who can make an IPA or super IPA taste the most like aspirin and cilantro. Bitter isn't better, people.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Lone Star is there

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in the original,  and its location fits you perfectly.

what do politically conscientized American beer drinkers prefer?

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In Ontario, Canada from the 70s and on up, Radicals, Progressives and Leftists would not drink Molson or Labatt's. They would drink beers from Northern Breweries from Sudbury and Sault Ste Marie in northern Ontario. The reason had nothing to do with the taste, as all beers were much the same. Northern Breweries beers were preferred because the brewer was a worker-owned cooperative. They were able to compete with the big brewers thanks to the provincial gov't's policy to monopolize beer sales, and Northern Breweries products were just as readily available as any beer; advertising and distribution were not a problem.

 

Democrats prefer Miller Genuine Draft and Republicans prefer Miller Light. This only tells me that everyone likes Miller. Well, I don't like Miller, and didn't drink their beer, but then I had a choice, and what's more, I knew I had a choice. My question is, as I don't see any politically correct brewers listed here, and that is understandable as only Democrats and Republicans are considered, what do politically conscientized American beer drinkers prefer?

You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it. - Ho Chi Minh

We Don't Mix Politics In Our Beer Very Much

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But I won't drink Coors 'cause Coors is "union busting beer."

 

Both Budweiser and Miller are owned by foreign conglomerates (Anheuser-Busch is now owned by Belgian beer giant InBev (Stella!) and Miller is now owned by the UK based SABMiller).

 

Nothing more American than foreign ownership.

I shame people for drinking Coors regularly

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not least b/c I met Pete Coors when I was in college and he pissed everyone off he was talking to in about 3 minutes. One of the bigger jerks I've met.

 

If you're in my crowd, young indie rocker types, it's effective, since they're usually trying to look a little bit working class, hence the Pabst on tap, and, what is now the new Pabst, Yuenling.

Yeungling is awful.  Pabst is

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Yeungling is awful.  Pabst is ok.  In Austin, Lonestar is (was?) a hip beer which I think actually tastes pretty darn good.

Lone Star is pretty good. Though I'd go for Shiner 101

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or Shiner Blonde any day. :)

M Aurelius was probably right.

Wait--Yeungling is the new PBR?

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Am I going to have to get skinny jeans and a Mac now?

a total outlier?

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I would have thought that in a market so large there would be more variety, ie at least one politically correct brewer. Maybe I got it backwards, the larger the market, the less choice - what with economies of scale and all it makes sense in a way.

 

With ice cream there is Ben and Jerry. I was looking at their webpage, and they take a pretty strident tone promoting a number of leftish causes. Check out their endorsement of the Occupy movement here:

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement

Is this a total outlier?

You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it. - Ho Chi Minh

Not a Total Outlier

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But I can't think of many other consumer product companies make their politics part of their marketing like Ben &Jerry's does.

Plenty of marketing around "localvorism" (which is sorta political as it's anti-conglomerate) and general purpose do-goodism (charitable giving is prominent), but not much further than that.

It's just corporate PR now

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HankP's picture

They were bought out by Unilever about ten years ago.

I blame it all on the Internet

Huh

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Bird Dog's picture

I guess I'm schizo because my two favorites on the list are Corona and Sam Adams. Too bad there's nothing on microbrews or IPAs.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula

Agreed. Like I said downthread...must be an airport bar.

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And not one of the good ones. Terrible beer selection.

M Aurelius was probably right.

FWIW

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HankP's picture

I don't know if Jordan and MA made an official bet about the 47% comment sinking Romney's campaign, but at this point I'd have to say that it looks like Jordan got that one right.

I blame it all on the Internet

We'll see. It's eons in political years before the election. -nt

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M Aurelius was probably right.

It does look that way so far.

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It started to dawn on me that maybe I had misunderestimated this thing last Sunday listening to A Prairie Home Companion, which was quite a good one by the way.

 

The quotable element is clearly the 47%. Other Romney quotes from the speech have faded, but that one is sticking. This wasn't obvious at first, but in 20/20 hindsight it makes perfect sense, since 2012 is turning out to be the year of the percentages (the 1%, the 99%, and now the 47%).

 

Having said that, I'm still uncertain that this will hold. But yes, if Obama does win substantially, I'll easily agree that this was the turning point.

 

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Fox news can be dangerous for you and your families health

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http://mobile.rawstory.com/therawstory/#!/entry/virginia-man-kills-family-and-himself-over-fear-obama-would,5066125d444f678947839534

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

In other weird ballot access law news

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stinerman's picture

In Maine the party's nominee for Senate or President must poll at least 5% of the vote.  Once that happens the party must organize a town committee in 14 of the 16 counties in Maine.  Once *that* hurdle has been reached so long as 15,000 people register as members of the party and 10,000 of those registered actually vote, the party continues to be ballot-qualified.

 

That's probably the most arcane set of rules I can think of but not by much.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

A Focus For A Technical Competition?

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M Scott Eiland's picture

My cousin just posted a link to a Wiki that caught her attention: the 52 hertz whale.

It strikes me that this could be the focal point of a technological competition: design tracking gear that can find this one unique whale and track him/her down, perhaps also seeing if a physical examination is possible to determine the cause of the uniquely high-pitched whalesong. If it is something treatable, the whale could be reunited with his/her fellow whales and the winner would have some probably rather useful sonic tracking patents to exploit. Win/win!

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

X-COM: Enemy Unknown Out October 9th

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M Scott Eiland's picture

The original (UFO: Enemy Unknown), of course, was one of the most acclaimed games ever made. The new version looks like it is going to be a blast:

Looks like Diablo 3 is going on hiatus for a while once this arrives. . .

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

But, but, bu....The Aliens Look Friendly, Why We Killing Them?nt

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Traveller

They Taste Like Chicken

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Lock and load and bring the barbeque sauce!

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Proven beyond doubt: religion makes rational people insane.

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mmghosh's picture

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/08/120810-glaciers-vatican-...

The people of devoutly Catholic Fiesch and Fieschertal have made the annual pilgrimage since 1674, when Europe was in the grip of the Little Ice Age.

 

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Looming over the villages, the two largest glaciers in the Alps—the Aletsch (satellite picture) and Fiescher (satellite picture)—grew over the next two centuries, reaching their maximum lengths around 1850. Around that time, the Aletsch stretched some 16 miles (26 kilometers); the Fiescher was larger by similar proportions, though exact measurements aren't available for the smaller glacier.

The consequences for the villagers were dire.

 

When pieces of the Aletsch fell into Lake Märjelen—which lies between the two glaciers—the lake overflowed. Three hundred and fifty-three million cubic feet (10 million cubic metres) of water rushed down the valley below, inundating settlements, damaging property, and killing villagers. Extremely poor until the late 19th century, the locals had few options but to rebuild.

Having endured hundreds such diasters, the villagers—with the help of local Jesuits—organized the pilgrimage, to be held annually on July 31: the Catholic feast day dedicated to the Jesuits' founder, St. Ignatius of Loyola.

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"We prayed for the ice to recede, and our prayer worked—too well," said Herbert Volken, mountain guide and mayor of Conches, the district that includes Fiesch.

 

In 2009 the local parish council petitioned the Vatican to allow a change in the wording of the prayer. A year later the Holy See agreed, and Volken hopes the new prayer will work as well as the last one.

Eh

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Can't hurt. Not like any of them is going to make a difference in the matter otherwise.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Big Trout Stories

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Trout sets some records in Angels win, may well set more in last four games of season.

Oh, and that kid in Washington has been doing pretty well too, in spite of his team's rotation coughing up the NL home field edge to the Reds this weekend (and incidentally all but dooming the Dodgers' wild card hopes). Mike Trout ended up having the better season, but Harper is the one who's going to see postseason play this year, and before his twentieth birthday. He's gotten hot at just the right time, too--he's got an OPS over 1.000 for September, with seven home runs.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Downside Of NFL Pick'vm

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Sitting in your room and cursing because you have to root for Mike Shanahan's team to win, when you quite honestly believe that Shanahan belongs on Skid Row more than he does running an NFL team. It is a small comfort that the Tampa Bay coach is pretty much a tool, too.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Serious Question, Why do you Dislike Shanahan?...

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...I know that you are a man of hot passions, (and I don't mean this badly), but why the hate on Mr. Shanahan?

 

Didn't he hire his son?

 

Hummm

 

Traveller