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The NYT does a hit piece on Obama ... by publishing his poetry from 1981 (check it out below the fold if you dare):
UNDERGROUND
Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.
Ah! My eyes! I don't know about the rest of you Obama supporters, but I'm reconsidering my vote.
Feel free to leave your godawful poetry, your godawful musical suggestions, or your godawful favorite link-of-the-moment below.
Or you could leave some good ones too. This thread is wide open.
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)Seriously, right now. Turn off the computer, break into the movie theater if necessary.
Not kidding.
--It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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)I live in Columbus Ohio and wanted to share that the neighbor who burst into my apt. slightly drunk + upset last night is all over the news.
Volokh posted the story here: http://volokh.com/posts/1211333514.shtml
w. a link to this local site: http://www.10tv.com/live/content/teninvestigates/stories/2008/05/19/miss...
The post is about my neighbor, Jen, who is an attorney working for the Attorney General's office. She's at the center of some intrigue b/c in the evening after the Inspector General put a lockdown on the attorney general's office and demanded Jen's work phone (among other things) she reported it stolen.
When entering my apt. today a newsreporter appeared out of nowhere and started asking questions about crime in the neighbood, etc. I'm 2 doors down from jen but was aware that her next door neighbor threw her under the bus yesterday and wasn't keen to do the same:
"It's a little unnerving but it just seems so unusual for the area," said Kyle Tretheway, who lives next door to Urban
Kyle's a nice guy and was no doubt being truthful but it earned him a b&tchout from Jen over the condo association list serve.
Anyway ... just sharin in case anyone was followin the clown show in Ohio.
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)catchy's famous!
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| parent )wars, and information about matters counterinsurgency, extremism etc
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http://www.jihadica.com/
--Manish Ghosh
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)Pete Stark--still a scumbag.
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)Heh!
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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)I think you could call this High Concept: cancer survivor throws a no-hitter. Bad news for Harley taking a crack at it, though: Jon Lester pitches for the Red Sox.
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)The Overton Window. Maybe libs should be talking up single-payor more?
--More Wagster!
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)http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/53
Hm, an Overton Window for universal health care. I'm sure it's been done before, but how's this:
wild-west darwinian nightmare
doctors treat only the rich
crime lords provide for loyal soldiers
feudalism
buccaneer private insurance
CURRENT US HEALTHCARE
frankenstein healthcare (partially regulated hodgepodge)
better regulated hodgepodge
single-payer
euro-socialism
command socialism
communism
then we just need to add a few real lunatic ideas at the end to push single-payer into the window:
children raised in genetically homogenized creches
--compulsory eugenics breed race of identical superbeings immune to all illness
humans live in suspended animation with virtual reality plug in the back of the skull
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Maybe single-payor is too reasonable. Single-provider health care. Now we're getting warm.
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| parent )The preferred option for medics.
The rest get treated by PAs.
--Manish Ghosh
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| parent )...."wild-west darwinian nightmare" for 500, Alex!
--The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
- H.L. Mencken
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| parent )I suppose someone needs to point out that we are living in a Darwinian world, and that elements of human nature like charity, compassion, cooperation, gratitude, and reciprocity are just as much products of evolution as our less... socially praiseworthy aspects.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )Some of us prefer to live in a mid-80s post-apocalyptic fantasy where cretins in spraypainted football equipment fight over remaining supplies of gasoline, canned goods, and course women. Just as Darwin prophesied. From that satellite that went crazy and started broadcasting Roger Corman films and Ted Nugent videos 24/7.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Thank you
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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| parent ).
--It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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| parent )I thought this was the Darwinian wild west. What's this Praise the Lord business?
Bernard "Bigger Battalions" Guerrero
--The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
- H.L. Mencken
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| parent )as I recall . . .
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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| parent )The former Poet-Laureate of Pine Barren, New Jersey, that is, world-renowned Amiri Baraka (aka convicted felon Everett LeRoi Jones), who penned this immortal doggerel before his sorry a$$ was canned by switch-hitting governor James McGreevey:
Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for
Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth
Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza
Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro
Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus
Subsidere
To which I would add, in the same style:
Who this dog ca-ca
--Call himself "Baraka"?
Rust never sleeps.
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)Today he writes:
Not a single recent instance? Also, Huckabee beat McCain by 41 points in Arkansas; Romney beat him by 41 points in Colorado.
John Cole sums up:
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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)He's just incompetent. And it's not because he's a conservative. Just to prove it, here's how I would rate the NYT columnists:
1. David Brooks. A conservative. Also a terrific writer and an original thinker.
--2. Paul Krugman. A talented polemicist, a clear writer and a world-class economist.
3. Gail Collins. Funny and substantive, although she's lost a step since she wrote for the Daily News. Still, there's probably only about a half-dozen people in journalism who can be funny and substantive twice a week. (Kinsley's another one.)
4. Frank Rich. A good writer, but you could get the gist of any of his columns by overhearing the brunch conversation of pretty much any Upper West Sider.
5. Maureen Dowd. Too cynical to live. She crams a bon mot into every paragraph until the cumulative cleverness leaves the reader bleeding from all orifices.
4. Thomas Friedman. "Gee whiz, a thing called globalization's going on! Gee whiz, let's go to war in Iraq! Gee whiz, how about this global warming, huh?"
6. Nicholas Kristof. If he writes about saving another Asian prostitute I'm going to scream.
7. Bob Herbert. Boooo-rrrring.
8. William Kristol. Error-prone, drab presentation. His hackyness is such that you really have to wonder if he even managed to convince himself of his points.
More Wagster!
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| parent )to MoDo. Or maybe not...it's strange seeing her ranked above any four naked shrieking monkeys with typewriters, much less four professional columnists. But then...yeah.
To me, reading through a Dowd column is surprising and painful, in the same way being handcuffed and hooded and beaten like a pinata by children with softball bats is surprising and painful.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )http://www.newamericancentury.org
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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)"Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible."
Plenty of those dudes are working for the McCain these days; maybe the campaign can spare a few bucks to resurrect the site (along with the vision).
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| parent ). . .boogeymen, they are currently residing under the beds of those who shriek the loudest about them.*
*--A helpful link for anyone who feels the need.
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| parent )The server has encountered an error handling your request, due to unreasonable and ridiculous expectations. We're sorry to have to disappoint you.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Variations on a Theme by William Carlos Williams
-- Kenneth Koch
1
I chopped down the house that you had been saving to live in next summer.
I am sorry, but it was morning, and I had nothing to do
and its wooden beams were so inviting.
2
We laughed at the hollyhocks together
and then I sprayed them with lye.
Forgive me. I simply do not know what I am doing.
3
I gave away the money that you had been saving to live on for the next ten years.
The man who asked for it was shabby
and the firm March wind on the porch was so juicy and cold.
4
--Last evening we went dancing and I broke your leg.
Forgive me. I was clumsy and
I wanted you here in the wards, where I am the doctor!
They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864
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)Origami Frogs:
fold fold fold fold
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unfold unfold
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It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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)Manish Ghosh
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| parent )When traveling, remember to always defend yourself against the
gestapos of the world:
http://reddit.com/info/6js29/comments/
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)....those morons? I felt my IQ going down with each sentence. Worthless dolts....
--The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
- H.L. Mencken
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| parent )Are you disputing that laptops get screened, copied, and/or confiscated?
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| parent ). . .at least he refrained from slipping effulgent in there.
OK, it's not Shakespeare--but I think we can dismiss any rumors that Senator Obama is a Vogon in a Messiah suit.
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)Do I have to elaborate? It would mean reading her poetry, and it's such a nice day so far . . .
--Rust never sleeps.
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)I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine
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)are increasing...
from the Reft - Anarchopedia
and from the Right - Conservapedia
which leads me to the feeling that Wikipedia has probably got the balance about right. It would be interesting to know what the forvm community thinks, placing as it does itself between the dogmas of the left and right.
--Manish Ghosh
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). . .wikipedia is best for:
--relatively non-controversial subjects that attract a non-trivial amount of interest (to cut down on the chance of strong bias and to make sure the wiki isn't merely reflecting the viewpoints of only a few people even in the absence of explicit bias);
--refreshing your own memory about historical events you were actually alive for, or studied in school (the "oh, right--I remember that" effect);
--as a starting point for other research on the topic (even a biased wiki will generally point in the way of more useful sources, or at least to sources that will make the bias of the wiki contributors explicit).
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| parent )Meant in the most innocent sense, of course. I think a lot of medical types must write for it - there's very good information and citations w/r/t various diseases and syndromes. Also, much of the scientific explanatory stuff is very good.
The behind the scenes caviling about details that goes on (click on the "Discussion" tab) shows a lot of infighting on the most trivial subject; also, the pretty anarchistic system they have for correcting/changing articles. I like the fact that they call their moderators "Beaurocrats."
Overall, though it has flaws, I think Wikipedia is an enormously valuable learning system, particularly for inquisitive teens. AFA historical articles are concerned, it doesn't have a bias, it has thousands of them, depending on subject.
--Rust never sleeps.
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| parent )Much like any other encyclopedia.
Personally, when researching I haven't run into anything that looked cooked up by ideologues. And the stuff that was questionably sourced mentioned so.
Have others actually had problems? And I wonder how frequent they are.
--Steven Palmer Peterson
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| parent )usually take you into the depths of the controversy, like you say. I think, with some delving into the connecting links it gives a pretty good idea of the subject with all its biases, as tomsyl remarks. Infighting usually reveals that no side has the complete answer.
What do you think of the IT links? (If you're into IT)
--Manish Ghosh
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| parent )So there's that.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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