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Something cheery for a dark rainy night

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HankP's picture

I blame it all on the Internet

Excellent choice.

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We are neither headed towards doomsday or utopia. Marx brothers are eternal and so are we. 

I'm reposting something I put

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I'm reposting something I put in an older thread earlier today in reply to stinerman.  Wanted to see what those not in the medical field think about it.  Plus it was a lot of typing and I hate to think I did all that work without any angry replies in return :

 

I respect the opinion that specialist make too much.  Some things to consider --

-- Specialists have to spend more years in training earning nothing/negative or less than minimum wage.  I myself will have done 10 years after college before I will be able to take a job earning more than minimum wage.  A primary care doc is trained in 7 years while an ARNP or PA take less than half of that.

-- The pay for doctors is wildly distorted by the government.  The CMS reimbursement schedules are the baseline for most insurance carriers.  The CMS fee-for-service schedules are generally dictated by several panels, the granddaddy is the AMA's RVU update committee (RUC).  Most of the RUC is made up of specialists with primary care represented by a rotating member.

-- In comparison to fee-for-service, capitation is an alternative payment method where an organization is paid a flat fee per diagnosis/patient/etc... and the organization manages the costs themselves, keeping the difference between capitated payment and cost.  Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs) are the PPAC's version of HMOs which have the potential to be paid on a capitation schedule.  As of now, ACOs are paid fee-for-service but the ultimate goal, and a likely source of savings, is the move toward capitated payments to ACOs.  When this happens, expect specialist reimbursements to drop even more.

-- The job market for specialists is shrinking while it is expanding for primary care.  This is due to the depressed economy (which does drive medical care), rapidly falling reimbursements for specialist care, and expected changes due to PPAC as above.

So, there are several forces that drive specialist reimbursement.  In the past, their high pay was kind of built in thanks to the RUC committee and lobbying by the big specialty groups (cardiologists are the biggest and most notorious).  Their pay will continue to fall and primary care will increase.  That's ok with me though it will impact my future earnings.  My feeling is there is way too much waste in American medical care and some of it goes to specialists.  My goal is a functional and efficient medical system, that will rebuild the goodwill that physicians/providers have lost lately as well as make the country stronger. 

As I said elsewhere, a large amount of the waste comes from layers and layers of middle-men who extract money out of the system but provide little to no value.  These guys are in government, hospitals, and insurance companies, kept in business by an overly-complicated bureaucracy and fragmented insurance industry.  Unfortunately, these groups had buy-in with PPAC and so the waste will continue.  If I had my way, we'd have single payer for all and a simplified private insurance system for those who want a higher level of care.  Cut the waste, cut the middle-men.

You're not allowed to repost like this

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Specialists are overpaid, but they're not high on my list overpaid professionals. 

 

Many academics go to school for 8 yrs. or so and live and average less than a 1/4th of specialists salaries. Plus they're paid more than 2x as much as in any other country.

 

They're just one component of high health care costs, however, and I think the insurance and ther admin middlemen are a more important target. 

 

But that said, the AMA is not playng a constructive role in helping expand health care and make it affordable. We espeically need to relax the rules on letting international people into US med schools and internationally trained folks practice here.

There is a rule to reposting?

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There is a rule to reposting?  I've seen others do it.  Hmmmm...

Nice work on the angry reply, though!

I Saw Your Post and Support It's Repositioning...

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...not that I have a say in this at all.

 

But it is an important and interesting post.

 

I am still just thinking on it.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

Of course there's no such rule

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HankP's picture

catchy's just turning from an angry young man into an angry not-so-young man.

I blame it all on the Internet

And in another 173 years he'll turn into you.

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Hahahahahahahahahahaha

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Laugh while you can

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HankP's picture

hey, did you know that you'll be four years older than I am now when your daughter enters college?

I blame it all on the Internet

Wrong Hank, sorry.

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I will not be 117 when my daughter goes to college.  As for laughing while I can, that's essentially my personal motto.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Nah, I wuz just kidding

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I thought it was an interesting post as well, heet.

 

I gave you a standard line of response I've seen elsewhere and would be interested to hear your reply

The comparison with

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academics has a problem.  There's a good case that we need more doctors,  and reason to believe that having more of them would drive medical costs down.  Almost no one thinks we have a shortage of academics, or that producing more of them would drive down the cost of education.

Very difficult to figure out

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HankP's picture

the way we mix research and teaching makes it difficult to know whether more professors (especially the teaching kind) would lead to a better result or not, how it would affect costs, and how it would affect research. There's also the problem that there's no such thing as a professor teaching in private practice (at least not for transferable credit hours, as far as I know), it all has to be funneled through colleges and universities.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

The bottom-line difference

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The bottom-line difference between academics and physicians/providers -- most voters think doctors provide a service that should be subsidized more than academics, in general.  Industry subsidizes some academic training but it depends, right?  Other countries are willing to pay for humanities and soft science academics than we are, I think.

 

As for specialist pay in other countries, yes you are right.  And it will be normalized in the next decade, or pretty close.  The glory days are over for specialists and they all know it.

It's complicated

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HankP's picture

yes, their education is long and very expensive. But I think a lot of the problem is the way the AMA and the state medical associations have turned it into a modern guild, with limited production of new MDs and virtually non-existent reprimands or punishment once a doctor is certified.

 

But yes, the excessive bureaucratization of medical care is just incredibly wasteful. Stinerman had some examples in the other diary, I've seen the same in many doctor's and dentist's offices.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

The various physician

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The various physician organizations, the AMA is just one of many, do protect their constituents.  Welcome to democracy.  The state boards also protect their own, big surprise.  I don't have a problem with tightening the noose on bad actors - drug users, drunks, etc...  There can be some malpractice reform too, though I don't think it will affect costs as much as others.

 

The AMA doesn't actually dictate the number of MDs made a year, that is another organization and if I remember is a state level decision.  There is a pull between serving America and protecting the interests of MDs.  My opinion - the AMA is slanted more towards serving, as are the primary care organizations, while the specialist orgs are slanted to protectionism.  If you want to see a guild, look at dentists -- they are protected from competish just like doctors, call themselves doctors, don't have the "Hippocratic oath" commitment to service thing, get some gov't money but otherwise almost totally fee-for-service, etc...  

 

It is a serious racket.  That said, I know dentists who work their butts off in bad parts of town for much less than they could get in the burbs.  And what about ASE certified mechanics?  Or HVAC repairmen?  Speech therapists?  So, yes, physicians are protected but that is the name of the game when it comes to professionals.

I have no love for the AMA...

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but they aren't the only bottleneck to producing new physicians. There has been no expansion of residency slots in a long time. That's as big a problem as anything the AMA has done, and responsibility falls on the US government.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

Middle men is part of the reason

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U.S. health care is more expensive than other countries, but mainly it's because our services cost more. Now, you could say fee-for-service is hoe it got that way and of course you'd be right.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Test.

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Did I pass?

M Aurelius was probably right.

You get a passing grade

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All your exta credit on this blog made a real difference in my determination.

What if I told you

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I copied all my answers?

M Aurelius was probably right.

Extra credit

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HankP's picture

you actually learned something after college.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Mighty atrios predicts liberal bloggers will bring down Cuomo

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in 2016

 

Just wanted to note the prediction to see if it comes to fruition:

 

Zombie Liberal Bloggers Can Still Eat Brains
We all know that liberal blogs are dead. The obituary is written every election cycle. But we will still destroy Andrew Cuomo's candidacy in 2016.

Cool links? Only in a narrow sort of way.

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brutusettu's picture

Jessica Jung's infamous horrible 1st pitch earlier this year before a Korean league game.

 

ESPN didn't fact check and screwed up twice in a matter of seconds.

 

ESPN pronounces her surname like she's German and ESPN falsely reports that it was before a Japanese league game.  Mr FormerCornoverheiser also pronounced her surname wrong during Pardon the Interruption.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Disappointed Republicans! There's still hope!

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Jay C's picture

Even if an...  ummm...  inaccurate one: Thanks to the Southwest Louisiana Tea Party: a neat way to "un-elect" Barack Obama!

All it needs is a vigorous letter-writing campaign!!

 

No word, though, on whether an online poll would work just as well...

6 standard deviations

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that's how far the arctic sea ice was below it's normal average at the end of the melt season this year. And yet one entire political party in the US denies that anything is happening. The human capacity for self deception is truly remarkable.

That is why GOP politicians flirting/being YEC is a concern

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brutusettu's picture

GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

 

Marco Rubio: I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.

Rubio just might be pretending to be possibly one of them, but members of Congress deny AGW while claiming that a deluge parable was literal, perhaps they're tremendous at deadpan humor.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

This Response. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .to baiting by the MSM is part of why Marco Rubio might well be the next President of the United States, while Jon Huntsman will never come close to the Republican nomination, much less the White House.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

It is baiting

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But the fact that asking about basic scientific facts is considered "baiting" is what's really telling.

So you have to be a YEC to get the nomination?

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HankP's picture

you may not want to spread that around too much. In fact, you may want to rethink your allegiance to such a party.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I'd Say That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .declining to accept the MSM's invitation to spit in the faces of people who hold an opinion held by a plurality of their countrymen--and a majority of members of the party whose nomination he will be trying to win come 2016--would suffice. It's not terribly surprising that Democrats would prefer that dangerous Republican candidates let their inner Lindsey Stone out to play when conducting interviews, nor that a sensible Republican will give that viewpoint the appropriate FOAD response.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

So you're OK with YEC

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HankP's picture

and scientific truth is apparently a matter of popularity. Got it.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I'm OK With Letting People Believe In It

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I don't notice Democrats being willing to disavow the two-fifths of their membership who believe in it, either.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I think they're all equally stupid

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no matter what party they are a member of.

I don't really see much difference between

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yec and a fluffy modern belief in god. At least the yec is a little more internally consistent. Both belive in fairytales.

I don't see Democrats catering to them either

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HankP's picture

or pushing for creationism in schools. But I do see Republicans doing that.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

You're ok with people believing demonstrably false things?

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stinerman's picture

I'm not ok with that.  Facts are facts and anyone who doesn't believe in them is an idiot.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

More importantly, people who are incapable of distinguishing

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facts from fantasies, or willful self-delusions, make for dangerous leaders. Team Romney's extraordinarily bad judgment during the final stretch of the campaign seems to have been driven in part by an inability or unwillingness to sort measurable facts (say, the likely voter electorate is +7 D) from wishful thinking.

 

Does this mean religious people make dangerous leaders? Not necessarily: only if their style of religion leads them to systematically ignore facts & realities, even when those facts & realities have nothing to do with religious doctrine.

M Aurelius was probably right.

It's not a question of being willing to disavow.

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It's a question of being willing to lead people towards rationality. Slowly, of course, but positively.

 

This is an era of genetic engineering, nanotechnology, habitat loss, climate change, antibiotic resistant bugs, and heading towards a 10 billion people world. No nation, certainly no nation wishing to claim leadership in such a world, can afford to have so many scientifically ignorant citizens.

 

I'm fine with people believing in God and going to church on Sunday or whatever day is holy in their religion.

 

I am absolutely not fine with people thinking the Earth started 6,000 years ago. Those people are simply dangerous in a world where we have so much power over nature, yet still little insight. As a species, we are like a child who is mature enough to get himself into real trouble, but too immature to get out of it.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

He's too green

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He still looks like a kid and I don't think four years, actually less than three to begin running, is enough.

 

He should run for governor in 2014. Get some experience and a gray hair or two. Deal with a hurricane or something. I just don't see the guy as mature. Note I'm not even getting into the ideology. This is straight up looking at him as a politician, not as a Republican or Democrat.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Gallup: Plurality Of Democrats and Independents Are YEC

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Go figure.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

It's frankly terrifying.

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Like living in a nation of children.

M Aurelius was probably right.

No they're not

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catchy, that's just "Young Earth Math" nt

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HankP's picture

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I blame it all on the Internet

*smirks*

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Snark in haste, remove egg from face at leisure.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Look Up "Plurality" And Get Back To Me

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M Scott Eiland's picture

The last column is the heart of YEC, and antithetical to a belief in evolution.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

that's not its typical use when talking about poll #s

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at least that I'm familiar with.

Really?

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Because a Google search under "plurality poll" seems to disagree with you. The sainted Mr. Silver even puts in an appearance early on the first page (50% is not a majority, unless a higher number has been rounded down to 50% exactly).

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Sainted?

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We're mostly a bunch of agnostics and atheists over here in Further Leftiststan.

 

Knighted, maybe.

 

Hero of the Social Welfare State, most likely.

Dupe.

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Weird.

Point conceded, I was dead wrong

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and I'm having trouble believing how dead wrong I was.

Strange English up there

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Went to school in three different states, not all in the South, and "plurality" always meant the largest number but not necessarily a majority.  But then maybe where you come from "majority" has a different definition also.

Scott, it seems you are right.

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mmghosh's picture

It would be interesting to see the poll broken up by economic status, too.  I'd wager there are a lot more people in the central column from the upper economic bracket.

 

Also, this from Gallup.

 

Thus, almost half of Americans today hold a belief, at least as measured by this question wording, that is at odds with the preponderance of the scientific literature.

 

Over here, and in the ME (my unscientific polling) I would say over 99% believe what almost 50% of Americans believe.  What is really important, of course, is what the Chinese believe.

 

Edit:  A quick Google shows Christianity is booming, together with Western classical music and ballet. Hmm.

Cathay?

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I don't get the reference. I thought judeo christian religious odity was my specialist topic.

 

The vote was supremely silly. Perhaps it will allow a hobbled amalgam of gay hating women hating fusty old museum pieces to keep together with the limp wristed cucumber sandwich eating liberal wing of the church for a few more years but boy does it look bad. Letting them in to be priests but keeping the crozier from them just exposes the pure mysoginy of it all.

 

Time for the goverment to step in and legislate. Equalities legislation should apply to churches .

To MSE and Catchy (that ain't YEC)

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brutusettu's picture

A large number of Dems are Young Earth Creationist? (i.e. umbrella term for Ussherites et al. that only accept "micro" evolution etc)

 

What if people from The South are excluded from the data set?

 

 

--Merde on a Stick if any someone cannot go Huntsman and inform their base that the total lack of ice giants is not proof that Thor, Odin, and Freya teamed up and killed them all off.  

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

I'd Say That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .if someone believes that a Divine Being/Force snapped His/Her/Its fingers within the last ten thousand years and created humans (the specific category that I referred to), they're not buying the rest of the "eons of geological time" riff, either. It's not *impossible*, just unnecessarily complicated.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Another Politician For The Smart Kids To Mock!

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you—and maybe they already have—“Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?,” what would you say?

A: What I've said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that's what I believe. I know there's always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don't, and I think it's a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I'm a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don't presume to know.

Who is this Bible-thumping clown?

Oh. Never mind.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Very different answers

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HankP's picture

and Obama doesn't have a history of supporting the teaching of creationism in schools the way Rubio has.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Oh, come on, Hank

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The answers are the same. It's a terrible answer for any politician who belongs to a nuclear power to give. It's even worse for Obama to give it.

 

It's flatly indefensible, either an abdication of leadership or evidence of breathtaking ignorance.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

I'm not sure it's worse for Obama to give it

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But I agree it's just as bad.

Of course it's worse...

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Far more scientifically literate people voted for him than for Rubio.

 

It's really quite depressing, but it helps explain his indifference to climate change and science in general. It helps explain why his administration fumbled the first few months with NASA; they weren't quite sure what to do with it.

 

I find it hard to believe Hank is defending his reply. It's an unambiguous disaster and the election is over. Can we start calling a spade a spade now?

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

It sounds like you're giving points to Rubio

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for belonging in the first place to a party with fewer scientifically literate folks in it.

 

But I get the point that Obama's showing less political courage, so I don't think we're really disagreeing. I particularly agree that calling a spade a spade is desirable.

I am not giving him anything...

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In the sense that I would be opposed to a Rubio candidacy under any foreseeable scenario. He scores zero points there.

 

But I am recognizing that he is being representative of the people who elected him, certainly more so than Obama.

 

Consistency and coherence are important. It's how we tell the players apart. Obama is consistent though, in always trying to weasel out of well-defined positions regarding science and the environment.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

No they're not

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HankP's picture

he says it's a metaphor, he doesn't specify 6000 years, etc.He also has no history of trying to get creationism in schools like Rubio has.

I blame it all on the Internet

Obama also says he "doesn't presume to know"

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about whether the Earth was created in six 24 hr. days, which is the same thing as the 6000 years business. After saying he both believes and doesn't know whether the metaphorical reading is correct, he says it's a "legitimate debate" for his community.

 

The answer is basically on par with Rubio's. 

 

If you want to distinguish the two men by some other criterion that's fine, but it's striking how similarly they answered this question.

Somehow you are both correct

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brutusettu's picture

Obama's slight edge is that he doesn't seem to be pandering about trying to put the *controversy* into public school science classes.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Same thing, allegory is basically extended metaphor structured

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analogically. [At this point, Jordan's students begin nodding off....]

M Aurelius was probably right.

I thought allegory was the whole and metaphor the part.

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mmghosh's picture

Is that also what you are saying?

 

My favourite parable from Genesis is the Flood and Noah's Ark.  As a child, I once went to our local zoo where they had been presented with a pair of polar bears - I was, even then, horrified by the cruelty of moving widely foraging animals from an Arctic to a subtropical climate (en passant, I saw, with similar horror, the same thing in SeaWorld in Florida this year).  

 

So what really fascinated me then was the immensity of imagination involved in transporting polar bears from the Arctic to the vicinity of Ararat (with the necessary ice), and then moving them back there again.  Then I learned from my Muslim friends that they were taught a similar story (the Noah Surah), but apparently it wasn't the entire world that was flooded, just the area around where Noah lived (around the Dead Sea - something like Lot and Sodom).  Still an awesome story, though.

Kind of, yes. Allegory's an extended metaphor,

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structured logically rather than, say, aesthetically. Plato's allegory of the cave, for example (human perception is like living in a cave and watching shadows cast on a wall).

 

Noah's ark isn't really a parable, I don't think, although it can be interpreted allegorically. It's very interesting that so many cultures record a story about a flood that wipes out all life, except for one guy who got tipped off and built a boat. It sounds like the Muslim version is far more historically plausible though.

M Aurelius was probably right.

He's suffering the fools

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stinerman's picture

I still say he's an atheist that knows he has to pretend to believe in God to be a politician.  Obama is too smart to believe in God.  So is Clinton for that matter.

 

And unless you're reading Genesis in the original Hebrew, it's all bunk anyway.  Maybe "day" was mistranslated three or four times before it got to English.  And then there's that whole problem that God doesn't exist anyway, which has always been the main problem in Genesis.  God can't create the Earth if he doesn't exist.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Paul Ryan is a Catholic and Ayn Rand fanboy

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brutusettu's picture

You can't explain that.

The survey of 1,000 American Protestant pastors also found that ministers are almost evenly split on whether the earth is thousands of years old.

 

When asked to respond to the statement, "I believe God used evolution to create people," 73 percent of pastors disagree, with 64 percent strongly disagreeing and 8 percent somewhat disagreeing. Twelve percent each somewhat agree and strongly agree. Four percent are not sure.

 

In response to the statement, "I believe the earth is approximately 6,000 years old," 34 percent of pastors strongly disagree. However, 30 percent strongly agree. Nine percent somewhat disagree, and 16 percent somewhat agree.

 

"Earth's age is the only issue in this survey on which pastors are almost evenly divided," Stetzer said. "But to many of the pastors, belief in an older earth is not the same as belief in evolution. Many pastors who believe God created humans in their present form also believe that the earth is older than 6,000 years."

 

 

People can think the Earth and the Universe is 6k years old and that God basically ignored most people born outside a small group of people in the Bronze Age Middle East for most of *human history*, and then got Europeans to spread the word after that, that seems complicated too. It doesn't seem more complicated than having a 14 billion year old production lot, 4.5 billion year old sound stage, and 30 year old TV show staring someone that is scared to ride on a boat.

Plus what Hank, Jordan, and the Stiner Recliner said.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

The vast majority of children 6 and under...

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...believe in Santa Claus.

 

That doesn't mean that we should make decisions on the Arctic based on how it will effect Santa's workshop.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

The vast majority of children under six

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don't vote.

How can you be sure

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without proper voter ID laws in place to make sure?

Glenn Beck Is Probably Not a Fan of Exegesis

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brutusettu's picture

Glenn Beck is ignorant on what YEC used to date the Earth, among other things.

 

 

 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

The CEO President

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Mitt Romney's experience as a highly successful businessman gives him the acumen and know-how to turn this economy around. After all, he spent his entire career in the private sector turning failing businesses around, and what is the US of A if not a failing business? Mitt then put his Midas touch to work on the SLC Olympics, when the entire games were mired in scandal and incompetence. He also served a term as Governor of Massachussetts, and though he didn't really turn anything around there, that stint proves that he has the ability to work with Democrats to get Democrat dream legislation passed things done by working across the aisle. Obama has zero business experience, which shows why he can't turn this ailing economy around. Also, Obama has way less executive experience, unless you count four years of excellent work as President. For these reasons, Mitt Romney the business leader is far more qualified to run the country and Barack Obama the community organizer.

 

So why then was Mitt Romney's campaign run like an amateur-hour clusterfork? 

 

First example: TV ad buys. It appears that the Romney campaign routinely paid up to four times as much as the Obama campaign for the same :30 TV slots. Can anyone explain why? 

According to our source, Team Obama simply did the “due diligence to find where the lowest unit rate was,” a tedious process which “takes manpower.” Conversely, it appears Team Romney simply didn’t want bother with the hassle. So they threw money at the problem — and walked away.

 

Does that sound like CEO acumen to you? Does that sound like best practices by a team who knows how to make the best use of resources? Far more detailed reporting from Politico a month ago makes it sound even worse: that the Romney strategy focused on more expensive core, network programming whereas team Obama focused on cable buys to reach smaller audiences, but more focused segments of the electorate. And buy buying "preempted" slots at the 11th hour, Romney's team ensured they were paying far more per second of airtime than their rivals. In the end, it seems Obama managed to get around twice the airplay per dollar spent as the Romney team. That team, by the way, was essentially one guy running an in-house media buying operation. Obama had dozens of people doing this work -- media planning can be extremely tedious and labor intensive, but then again spending time & money on the plan tends to beat just spending lots of money on the actual buy. Ask anyone in advertising.

 

The CEO President made other decisions that look a lot like sloppy, amateur mistakes. Directing millions of dollars to cronies connected with his staffers, for one. 

Mitt Romney's campaign has directed $134.2 million to political firms with business ties to his senior staff, spotlighting the tightknit nature of his second presidential bid and the staggering sums being spent in this election....Ryan Williams, a Romney spokesman, said payments to firms with connections to staff members were not only for consulting, but also were used to purchase a variety of services, including "polling, video production, political mail, get-out-the-vote phones, online advertising, website development, and budget and compliance management, among other things."

For another, building a massive GOTV data engine that turned out not to work at all. Romney's staffers even bragged to the press about how awesome their evidence-based GOTV operation was going to be. Come election day, around 30,000 staffers nationwide couldn't even get the thing to work.

"The Obama campaign likes to brag about their ground operation," [Romney communications director] Gitcho said, "but it's nothing compared to this."

Truer words, etc.

 

Finally, of course, there's the considerable evidence that the Romney campaign was relying on "unskewed" polls for their in-house decision-making; polls that dramatically understated Democratic turnout on election day. 

 

Is that the kind of judgment you'd expect to see from a highly successful businessman?

M Aurelius was probably right.

To answer the last question, yes, here's how

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brutusettu's picture

Phase 1: Cut Fleshy-Unit Cost

Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Isn't it obvious?

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stinerman's picture

The socialists at the TV stations gave Obama a better deal so he could spread his socialist views.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

But only the Caspian is significant...

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...and it gets all of 10 cm (four inches).

 

That buys what? A decade or two? Not a bad thing, but not a solution either.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Dividing up the world so that each region

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has a GDP of about 1 trillion:

 

Interesting

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Bird Dog's picture

Only three states on the African continent. The Japan and eastern China region is also interesting.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Eastern China region is definitely interesting

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I thought the US East coast would more resemble Europe, but I guess the pop density is less and those little European countries pack a whallop into a small area.

Barack Obama stole OH, VA, FL and PA

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Read all about it at BarackOFraudo.com

Gallup filtered out too many blacks, Latinos

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No kidding. 

http://mije.org/richardprince/gallup-filtered-out-too-many-blacks-latinos

They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864

The US liberal media

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spent a lot of time on the question of whether Obama's decisive victory in both the electoral college and the national popular vote actually gives him a mandate from the people.

 

The US liberal media has spent zero time on the question of whether House Republicans, who decisively lost the popular vote by more than a 1/2 million votes, and are only in power b/c the Republican party massively gerrymandered their districts, have a mandate from the people to pursue their agenda.

 

#stillnotliberal

Coolest link found.

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mmghosh's picture

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/10/news/economy/farmers-cows-candy-feed/ind...

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Cattle farmers struggling with record corn prices are feeding their cows candy instead.
That's right, candy. Cows are being fed chocolate bars, gummy worms, ice cream sprinkles, marshmallows, bits of hard candy and even powdered hot chocolate mix, according to cattle farmers, bovine nutritionists and commodities dealers.

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Thrifty and resourceful farmers are tapping into the obscure market for cast-off food ingredients. Cut-rate byproducts of dubious value for human consumption seem to make fine fodder for cows. While corn goes for about $315 a ton, ice-cream sprinkles can be had for as little as $160 a ton.
Related: Feds offer help to drought-stricken farmers
"As the price of corn has climbed, farmers either sold off their pigs and cattle, or they found alternative feeds," said Mike Yoder, a dairy farmer in Middlebury, Ind. He feeds his 400 cows bits of candy, hot chocolate mix, crumbled cookies, breakfast cereal, trail mix, dried cranberries, orange peelings and ice cream sprinkles, which are blended into more traditional forms of feed, like hay.

Utter nonsense

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brutusettu's picture

n/t 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Excuse me, it's udder nonsense

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brutusettu's picture

n/t

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Are you going to keep milking that joke? -nt-

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M Aurelius was probably right.

Really - we've herd it before..... nt

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Jay C's picture

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What a load of Bull

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In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I'd suggest

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You switch to de calf. 

They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864

Parot sings club song, is awesome

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That bird has no rhythm. -nt-

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M Aurelius was probably right.

LOL Chris Christie Assured Re-Election, Approval Rating Up 19%!

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NEW YORK, Nov 21 (Reuters) - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's approval rating has leaped 19 percentage points since superstorm Sandy slammed the state, as voters by a wide margin applaud his response to the crisis, a Rutgers-Eagleton poll said on Wednesday.

The Republican governor, who will face re-election in 2013 and is considered a contender for the U.S. presidency in 2016, has a 67 percent favorability rating among registered voters in the state, up from 48 percent in October.

The boost is notable because Christie's ratings have stayed steady between 44 and 50 percent for his nearly three years in office, according to David Redlawsk, director of the Rutgers-Eagleton Poll.

"Throughout the governor's term, we've had little movement in his ratings. This just blows that out of the water," he said.

Christie, a Republican star, angered some within his party by offering strong praise for Democratic President Barack Obama's storm response in the days after Sandy and just before Election Day. Critics say Christie's praise may have helped Obama's re-election.

The poll is the second survey in as many days to show that voters had an overwhelmingly positive response to Christie's response to the storm, which devastated the New Jersey shoreline and left large swaths of the region without power.

 

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Some politicians are just damned smart regardless of what other people might say...you've gotta laugh.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

But would CHristie have had high approval ratings

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even if he hadn't embraced Obama so heartily?

 

I'm under the impression that governors' approval ratings often rise after a disaster.

 

But it does look smart for Christie to have gone this route.

 

Maybe the lesson here, for GOP presidential nominees, is that elevating Republican governors with low approval ratings in states that lean Democratic is setting yourself up for betrayal.

Happy Thanksgiving, All!

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Well that narrows it down!

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Happy Thanksgiving from me, too. Now to start cooking.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Got a new (temporary) sig line.

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Explanation here.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Thanks, but...

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...I think it was more of a draw.

 

Certainly it ended up being less important than you thought it would at the time. But it did become more of a popular meme (not just Internet) than I expected. I saw it more as a video for political followers, but it did make it into the mainstream.

 

That said, I do not believe, all else being equal, that the election would have turned out significantly differently without it.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

It's popularity might be further reinforced

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when more votes get counted and Romney's total percentage slips to 47%.

 

At least it sounds to me like just the kind of topic for a vapid news story.

I was the one who went way out on a limb,

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predicting that the video would clinch Obama's victory. I made the long shot call, not you.

 

I think it turned out to be very important, as it confirmed much of what was put out by the Obama campaign during the summer's "Bain attacks." That said, Romney gained a lot of ground and certainly made the race competitive well after the video went mainstream. Like I said in my update, I'll wait for the final national vote tallies to be certified.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Don't forget NY and NJ vote totals were down circa 20%

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compared to 2008 which is 5 or 6x the national average and certainly due to Katrina. 

 

These states lean heavily Obama and comprise 9% of the US's pop. 

 

So figure they've got 28 million or so between them, 12 mil of which vote, and 20% of that is uh ... and they lean Obama by ... 

 

well, some figgerin needs to be done is what I'm sayin.

 

 

I've been thinking about this

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I think the Occupy "99%" message helped here also. I'm not saying Occupy re elected Obama or defeated Romney. But for months people were hearing this percentage message in the news and on the streets. The fact that a percentage remark from romney stood out so much is that the public had been thinking about income inequality framed in a way using percentages.

 

Aside from the fact that romney— shifty, nasty weasel that he is— showed his true colors to the public with a percentage comment is part luck, and part many thanks to the videographer. I'm not claiming it lost him the election, but it sure as hell didn't help him. And I am very happy for that.

I read a profound youtube comment

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No, really:

 

"... [Thelonious Monk] is departing from convention in such a sophisticated, controlled and artistic manner ... he is threading the needle between standards and the abstract seamlessly. This is the way we should live our lives."

 

I'm Gobsmacked. It was in response to this fantastic album:

 

That is a great comment and

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That is a great comment and thus was likely posted by a bot.  I used to try and intellectualize jazz, reading about it and whatnot.  Then I got lazy and the abstract stuff stopped being interesting.  Or maybe I got older and ossified.  But, Monk will always be great, just like the youtube guy says.  How do people stay creative and open-minded in old age?  It is starting to look like a challenge.  Like, one that successful artists struggle with constantly.

"How do people stay creative and open-minded in old age"

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mmghosh's picture

Very good question.  

 

My answer is to become less tolerant. I find myself getting less forgiving as time goes on, less able to tolerate nonsense.  When younger, I was conscious that others knew much more about stuff.  At 50 years though, having seen the manner in which nonsense is propagated (and more especially, here), one becomes harder-headed.  Whether this means creativity and open-mindedness has remained, though, is something else.

ossification is definitely a worry

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I'm already getting noticeably dumber than in my youth and I'm only in my mid 30s. 

 

Thoughts:

 

Aging is partially about figuring out how to be more efficient and generally doing less with more.

 

I try to think of the brain like the rest of the muscles in my body - you have to stay in shape by working out. Watch James Bond movies over an entire weekend and you need to do mental exercise to make up for it.

 

Finally I try to use drugs to help sometimes. At some stage of the process I read everything I'm writing while stoned. It helps a bit I think.

Just dropping in to say that album is like

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a magic puzzle box of wonders, even for a square like me.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Glad you like it, Jordan

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Definitely one of my favorite albums.

Grocery chain owner gifts his stores to his employees

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Nice story about it in Minneapolis's local paper.

 

For fans of the movie Fargo, by the way, the story takes place in the town that has a giant Paul Bunyan statue, which figured prominently in the movie's snowy drives.

 

The EPA administrator and her sockpuppet

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Bird Dog's picture

The story here. "Richard Windsor" here.

 

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Osama bin Laden and Geronimo.

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mmghosh's picture

I had no idea the name Operation Geronimo needed to be apologised for.  How wrong I was.  It is good that the Indian Country is fighting on this issue.