Palin Clearinghouse II
Sequels aren't always bad!
And in this case the original worked well. Aggregating Palin info. in one place makes it easier to follow and then the diary sidebar isn't just about the VP pick.
Personally I like talking about Palin as well and am interested to see what new stuff comes forth as people keep digging into her past.
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From The Frontiersman - May 22, 2000
Palin spent Fifteen million bucks for a new hockey rink/sports complex, but couldn't spare a thousandth of that cost to aid in prosecuting rapists.
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)1 rape a month in a small town of 5,500?
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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| parent )something like 5x the national average.
--It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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| parent )If you get raped or assaulted then it's probably partly your fault, so you can pay for the rape kit/examination.
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| parent )Specially for Blue Neponset and Harley to analyze:
Gallup poll shows McCain/Palin ahead by three points.
Rasmussen: Tie.
CBS: tie.
Zogby: Palin helps McCain to approach fifty percent of vote.
RCP poll average: Obama ahead by 0.8 points.
Guys, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to explain why all of these polls are meaningless and Obama's still ahead by a comfortable margin.
--In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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)National polls aren't that meaningful. State by state polls are where the action is, and that is where Obama is ahead comfortably. (see the poll links Hank provided in the left hand colum)
If McCain pulls even in Iowa, New Mexico, Michigan or takes a big lead in Colorado, Ohio, Florida or Virginia then I will start to worry. Until then I am going to try not to worry too much about national polls.
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| parent )I don't think he is comfortably ahead.
I still think Obama is the favorite, though.
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| parent )how you only mention polls that have good news for McCain. Why would that be, I wonder?
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| parent )if you can, Hank. The polls I linked to are those that have been tracked and averaged by RCP for many months; the outlier poll from is linked there, too; It's from "diageo/The Hotline", whatever that is, and didn't even begin polling until Sept. 2.But if you want to run with that one, be my guest.
I linked to Zogby (which RCP doesn't track) as a special for BN and Harley.
You are trying to shrug off numbers by the big-time pollsters that show Obama as tied with or behind McCain. Are you somehow trying to claim that you are fair and balanced, and I'm not?
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| parent )The state by state count still looks rock solid for Obama. He's got lots of cash for the swing state media buys, things will be fine.
--Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen
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| parent )Also big advantages in both new voter registration and a far superior ground game (GOTV), the kind that the GOP benefited from in the last two elections.
Tho' I don't trust the new voter numbers completely. It feels like a subset of assuming a massive increase in young voters is going to put the Dems over the top. Which, at this point, feels like an urban legend we're teased with every four years.
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| parent )the next few weeks are crucial. If McCain moves substantially in the swing states, he'll have a chance.
The political markets seem to think this is a possibility. He's gone up a bit in the last day. I still think Obama is in great shape, though.
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| parent )and their numbers to a degree support the belief that younger people are more likely to go for Obama. The site has lots of other interesting breakdowns. (No numbers on voting patterns of ex-POWs though.)
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| parent )his command of the issues that voters feel are important and the policies he outlined to deal with the country's various problems, obviously resonated well with the American public.
What else?
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| parent )I've been trying to talk polls with you seriously for a couple weeks now. Even gave you a good resource in this regard. And while your comment suggests you'd rather do standup, I'll give it a shot.
These polls were expected -- by me, at least -- and it's too soon to know if this is the extent of McCain's convention bounce, or if there is more to come.
First, forget Zogby. Nearly everybody, including Nate Silver, does.
Second, Nate Silver puts it better than I can:
So it's foolish to either panic or crow about these numbers. Given some of these polls are rolling three day numbers, there's a possibility that McCain will do even better in the next few days.
But as to the Republican bounce? The true test will be how it holds up when other political events occur -- just as the GOP convention 'occurred' to the Obama bounce. A gaffe, a foreign policy event, more bad economic news, an endorsement (Colin Powell comes to mind), a disastrous interview for Gov. Palin. If it weathers whatever storm comes next? Then there might be reason for the Dems to worry about the McCain/Palin juggernaut.
And needless to say, we need to see how much the state polls reflect the national ones. I'd assume, for example, that Obama will lose the lead he recently picked up in Ohio. If he doesn't? That would be bad news for McCain.
But again, it's early, the landscape is almost entirely unpredictable. Though one thing remains the same. Obama enjoys huge structural advantages -- the kind that propelled Reagan to a landslide, but ONLY after his performance in the debates.
So, as is often the case. The debates are going to be very, very important.
Needless to say, I've never suggested polls are meaningless when they cut against Obama. Nor have I suggested Obama is ahead when he's not. So next time you want my opinion on polling matters?
Ask me like an grownup would ask me or I won't waste time schooling you.
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| parent )Well it only took two days of gentle ribbing from Obama and Biden for the McCain campaign to reverse field and announce Sarah's first sit-down with a reporter.
It should be interesting. Gibson was happy enough to chase down every possible rumor and turn it into a question for Obama in the Pennsylvania debates. On the other hand, he got scorched in the aftermath and was left off the Prez Debate moderator roster.
I have no idea how he'll approach the Barracuda.
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)including his trip to Iraq by way of Fermany. Shall we compare, with you conceding the point that the Iraq sojourn was due to "ribbing from the McCain camp?"
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| parent )I can't imagine the Obama campaign hadn't discussed an Iraq visit internally. Pressure from the McCain camp may have pushed that along. And I don't know where 'Fermany' is.
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| parent )Check out the McCain map of the world.
-for entertainment purposes only. Obviously F is next to G on the keyboard, and it's an understandable mistake. My own tortured grammar is sinful.
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| parent )To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard
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| parent )What's nest--re-labeling old Quayle quotes as Palin's?
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)That Obama's campaign can delete the blog post of a nobody website contributor? The internet has rumors circulating on it?
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| parent )http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-is-not-hockey-mom.htm...
Something that everyone should keep in mind.... :)
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)LINK
Todd Harris, GOP strategist who is close to the McCain campaign, says Palin won't be available to the press for about two weeks. His defense? She might make "a mistake."
Just too funny. My friends, that's change you can believe in.
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)"Waaaaaaah! It's not *fair*! She didn't meet with the media for *two weeks*!"
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| parent )Palin should have started her VP course three weeks ago. The fact that she didn't reflects poorly on McCain.
If Angry John and Sarah Probert are elected it will be a sad day for our country.
--But she's a queen, and such are queens
that your laughter is sucked in their brains. -D. Bowie
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| parent )...on the day that Obama is inaugurated. That's certainly going to be a lot of fun for me.
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| parent )I never thought you were one to praise incompetence and lack of experience.
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| parent )anyone who can garner qualifications for POTUS in two short weeks deserves the job.
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| parent )It's going to be a marathon 2 weeks. Waking up to staring at a map of the world on the ceiling and then memorizing the cabinet positions.
I'd love to see if she could name all 12 members of the President's cabinet. There're only 10? Oh well, at least William Hurt would understand.
Seriously if I was a journalist + had the opportunity to ask her a question I'd ask:
Where's Abqaiq?
I highly doubt Palin has any idea. She did however presume to lecture nearly 40 million Americans on the danger that:
terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia
I hope she learns enough over the next two weeks to be our president.
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| parent )during his debates.
Give Palin an ear piece and link her to some smart people with wireless web access.
--Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.
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| parent )then you're picking on her because she's a girl!
No, I think the standard questions will do just fine. She'll just answer with talking points, but that matches the top of the Republican ticket so no one will notice.
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| parent )This seems to be the current GOP talking point making it's way across the blogosphere. The Repubs are all up in arms because Palin isn't going to get a touchy-feely interview sitting on Ms. Winfrey's couch.
Do they really think this argument is getting them anything except ridicule?
More importantly, when is Governor Palin going to be on Meet The Press? When is she going to sit down with reporters and answer questions? How can she claim to be ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency if she can't be trusted to talk to the press on her own.
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)The McCain campaign has no idea. Tho' they may have a better idea now. As opposed to when they selected her.
This is fun:
There's a very thin line between newly minted rock star and national joke. We'll see which side of the divide she falls on. I'm guessing joke.
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)Sean's got a great post up over at fivethirtyeight.
And...
The real question it, how do you handle a pest like this?
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)From Andrew Sullivan.
Todd Palin's former business partner files an emergency motion to have his divorce papers sealed. Oh God.
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). . .slipping on a banana peel. Gotta keep up, Blaise--I posted this link last night.
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| parent )We don't know what's in those records. One thing seems certain, those dogs over at Enquirer have dug up something foul and nasty. Lord knows what it is, a skull? A femur?
John Edwards made all these same noises, just before the end. First as tragedy then as farce, they say. There's plenty of smoke. Let's see if there's fire.
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| parent )And what's there doesn't make Single Issue Andy look like anything but the sleaze peddler he is.
Better luck with the next one, Blaise.
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| parent )I don't see anyone denying Palin had the affair. I don't see the actual paperwork anywhere, but this I do know, I have heard all these noises before.
From John Edwards.
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| parent )the former business partner they're talking about anyway?
They've had more than one former business partner..
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| parent ). . .the "they must be hiding something in those divorce papers!" meme is false--and there's absolutely nothing left after that's been eliminated that approaches what was there in the Edwards case. First Rule Of Holes, Blaise.
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| parent )in another thread, I'll re-post it since it contains links to actual sources discussing Palin's lies on the whole trooper issue:
On 7/19 -
... but please, do read the entire thing. It clearly states that Palin denied any contact and includes a lot of her aides and associates conveniently not recalling anything.
Then, of course, it turned out that there were recordings in which Frank Bailey, Palin's director of boards and commissions was recorded -
Despite the content of the recordings, Palin said that Bailey acted on his own.
Finally, Monegan released emails sent by Palin and others to him that harshly criticized Alaska state troopers for failing to fire her former brother-in-law -
So who should we believe, Monegan who's been backed up by every piece of evidence that's been produced, or Palin who's lied and retracted her statements every step of the way?
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)but I would let TMZ and NE handle this one!
--I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine
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| parent )I'm a little confused. This is a scandal that goes directly to governance and a possible abuse of power. Since when is that the more appropriate provenance of the tabloids?
Unless you were making a joke. In which case. Ha. Ha.
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| parent )We can trust that they'll do a lot of it without having to even get our hands on it. Then we can attack on other fronts related to governance, outright lying about Obama's record, reading a speech she didn't even come close to writing, etc.
I saw a great line the other day in a random comment somewhere, all the fuss over Palin's crazy life and ridiculous scandals makes Obama more normal. That's good for us.
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| parent )a long while back. Drinking on duty? Cheeze 'n crackers! What's going on there?
However this happened, it was handled unprofessionally. If I'm going to remove anyone from my teams, I assemble the relevant details, vet them with a third party and have the client fire them. The governor could and should have done the same. Even giving Palin every benefit of the doubt, this episode shows her inept leadership skills. She knew this guy was family: never, ever go after someone when there's a potential conflict of interest. Let someone else go after them. If she sicced a private investigator on her brother-in-law, turn the findings over to an internal affairs officer in a sealed envelope, and walk out before he opens it.
Palin was out of her league at every level of her political career. She needed better advisers and better lawyers. She's impolitic, riding roughshod over everyone. Now she needs to look like a leader and doesn't. More importantly, it now appears she hasn't been telling the truth about this ongoing farce: she might be forgiven the business of Bristol's baby but Troopergate will not be forgiven, not by the internal Republican machine.
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| parent )Here. After only a week, the number is 53. And there's about 8½ weeks to go.
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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)The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )This suggests the rumor-collector has only a vague familiarity with Troopergate and 'the public safety guy'. But I'm assuming the list is mostly in fun anyway.
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| parent )wow, thats quite the rumor. 52 more, you say? those awful dems.
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| parent )who think Attila the Hun was too liberal.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )I don't want to mention any names but I heard she likes non-dairy creamer with her Sanka in the morning ...
--I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine
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)That both 'non-dairy creamer' and 'Sanka' are euphemisms.
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| parent )The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of folly is to people the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer
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