Zoopah Tuesday Thread

As of 7:41pm EST, Gingrich has won FL, Romney VA, and Fox News has called VT for Romney.

 

The big contest is between Romney and Santorum in OH, and exit polling has Romney up.

 

The day may soon be upon us when we can start speculating about Mitt Romney's VP nomination to re-engage the GOP base.

 

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It's Not Misogyny When The Olberego Does It

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Olbermann: Older, Not Wiser, Still An Utter Tool.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Well At Least Carrie Prejean was Hot....

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...and sexually experienced, in a Rush-Linbaugh-kind-of-you-can-see-her-in-workouts sort of way.

 

Why apologize to her?

 

Kudos...she knows what she is doing....she deserves a thumbs up.

 

Traveller

A thumb up where? nt

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HankP's picture

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I blame it all on the Internet

LOL...be Nice!...Gawf....nt

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Traveller

I'm sure this'll all turn out fine

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"Going to school at Harvard University is cheaper than attending a public university in California.

According to the Bay Area News Group, a "family of four -- married parents, a high-school senior and a 14-year-old child -- making $130,000 a year," with typical financial aid, would pay around $17,000 for tuition, room and board and other expenses if their child went to Harvard. However, if their child attended a Cal State, they would pay $24,000. Going to the University of California, Santa Cruz, would cost around $33,000; at UC Berkeley, it would be about $19,500.

Other Ivy League schools, including Yale University and Princeton University, offer similar financial scenarios.

"It does sort of put you in an awkward spot," Dean Kulju, financial-aid director of the 400,000-student Cal State system, said. Cal State has double their tuition since 2007, the Bay Area News Group reported.

California's public universities lost more than $1 billion in support from the state in a round of 2011-12 cuts. Gov. Jerry Brown (D) announced in December, another $300 million would unexpectedly be cut from higher education because revenues were coming in below projections."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/harvard-now-cheaper-than-california-schools_n_1321195.html

Those numbers don't look right

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HankP's picture

I'm in the middle of this process right now, and while the cost of California public schools for out of state students is very high (~$50K/year) I'm not seeing the level of student aid that they're talking about being offered. Harvard may be an outlier due to their ridiculously large endowment. I'll post the actual numbers when we hear from all schools by the end of the month.

I blame it all on the Internet

I'm curious to hear

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50k per year to a state school is outrageous.

 

 

FYI

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HankP's picture

that's estimated total cost, including tuition, room and board.

 

My daughter applied to Stanford, while it's unlikely that she'll get in that would be closer to 60K. We're really hoping she gets into UW, that would be more like $25K/year.

I blame it all on the Internet

It's OK When An Insane Kennedy Does It

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M Scott Eiland's picture

RFK Jr. compares Senator Inhofe to a female prostitute--is not accused by liberals of being a misogynist.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Anti-vaccer was trying to "hold up a mirror"*

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brutusettu's picture

It looks like a scattershot attempt to hold up a mirror to any predominate supporters of the GOP and see if anyone of them or their even their supporters now care.

*this is not a defense**
**the dude wasn't even sneaky and was over the top and won't get more people to condemn Rush in a way that will appease RFK Jr***
***he'll now claim victory

"Jazz, the music of unemployment."

 

Frank Zappa

Oh, And Bobby?

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M Scott Eiland's picture

If I had a family history like yours, I'd stay away from metaphors involving hookers and/or political corruption. Just my two cents.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

It would have been so nice

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HankP's picture

for you to show this level of sensitivity - like 6 or 7 years ago.

I blame it all on the Internet

I'm Not The One. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .claiming that such comments are inherently misogynist. Out of deference to the posting rules, I won't mention who *is* so claiming.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Ha

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HankP's picture

no, you're the one making those kinds of comparisons. It's a bit rich hearing you complain about others doing the same.

I blame it all on the Internet

Angels

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Calling a male Senator a call girl for big oil is similar to calling a female law student a slut for taking birth control pills?

Catchy you obviously bombed "conservative analogies"

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on your GREs. You see, all you need is one superficial common detail and a liberal hate object to establish a perfect homology between unrelated things. We're the real victims.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

I'm Referring To. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .the suggestion made by certain parties that using metaphors involving female stereotypes and directing them at men is misogynist--another data point that demonstrates that any liberal who claims that is not being serious about it.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I'm going to start banning you and Bird Dog

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Because I do not believe I should be having this much trouble understanding what's going on with the site I'm moderating.

Reducio Ad Absurdum

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Chanting "USA, USA" now apparently racist.

Well, in fairness, this isn't *completely* new--I remember the usual suspects quietly griping about the "USA, USA!" chants during the 1984 Summer Olympics, and the implication was that there was a hint of racism in it. No need to smuggle in the argument these days, I suppose.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That's bit of a misleading summation

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brutusettu's picture

Maybe some people need to live around more people that don't like people of Mexican heritage.

 

More context is needed to verify, but I think people should trust me that the kids on the mostly white team were doing that because they were playing against mostly kids of Mexican heritage.

"Jazz, the music of unemployment."

 

Frank Zappa

According to the report

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According to the report, both teams were from the 'USA! USA!' Seems a weird thing to chant. I doubt it is racist though, as Mexico is even more mongrelized than the USA.

You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it. - Ho Chi Minh

Ummmm, btw

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brutusettu's picture

"mongrelized" is almost exclusively used as a derogatory epithet.

We're all "mixed" dude.

And you should realize [i]those[/i] people don't care

"Jazz, the music of unemployment."

 

Frank Zappa

Or Ironically. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .to make fun of people who use the term with a straight face. Either way, kind of an unpleasant term to be using.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Palin Porn

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I think the definition of hypocrisy is for Rush Limbaugh to have been called out, forced to apologize and retract what it is he said in exercising his first amendment rights-and never is that, the same, applied to the leftist radicals who say such horrible things about the handicapped, about women, about the defenseless. So I think that's the definition of hypocrisy, and that's my $.02 for you.

Yep

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Bird Dog's picture

No surprise that the slutty librarian would say something like that.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

Hey Now

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Just remember--Palin and her family are fair game; apparently, the 30 yr old professional activist isn't. Go figure.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Wait-

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We're talking about the one from Dancing with the Stars? 

Ah, the bitter tears of conservatives...

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So sweet they are.

 

Here's a clue, counsellor: "Activist", professional or not, ≠ "slut" or "prostitute". Limbaugh was free to disagree with Fluke's position all he wanted. What he did instead was to wage a three-day jihad against the woman, the nadir of which was his revealed desire to watch videos of young women having sex. He is now paying the price for that in the free market. I look forward to the day that he rests in the same obscure, forgotten corner of broadcasting as Don Imus and Morton Downey Jr.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

So. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .it would have been wrong for someone to say that it was "fair game" for David Letterman to (giving him the benefit of the doubt) imply that Bristol Palin was a slut and a prostitute on consecutive nights on his nationally televised show, simply because she had appeared on magazine covers and was an advocate for abstinence-centered sex education?

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Yes it was.

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<nt>

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

Letterman, Or Those Making Excuses For Him?

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Just want to be clear on this.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Is this a deposition now?

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That question deserves a serious answer, though.

 

Yeah, I think that attacking the family of a public figure is out of bounds. Calling Sarah Palin "Caribou Barbie" is probably a bit juvenile* but otherwise OK. Going after Bristol Palin because she's Sarah Palin's daughter, OTOH, is not OK in my book. Whatever faults the kid may or may not have, who her mother is was not her choice. I said the same thing about Shrub's daughters: they deserved (and still deserve) a large measure of privacy, and if they choose at some point to enter careers where they're well-known to the public at large, to be judged on their own merits. That also goes for Chelsea Clinton, and Malia and Sasha Obama. I won't defend people who cross that line, and I have no use for those who defend that sort of behavior. 

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

Fair Enough

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I'd think that you'd acknowledge that your position is an outlier among online liberals here and elsewhere, as the diary I linked above relating to the David Letterman incident from 2009 demonstrated.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I went back and looked through that thread:

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the argument was made that Bristol Palin had made herself a public figure by taking money from People Magazine for baby pictures, and was somehow fair game. I still think Letterman was way out of bounds there, and IIRC he did apologise for the whole shtick. (And shame on him if he didn't.)

 

In this particuar case, I suppose one could argue that Bristol Palin was indeed making herself into a public figure, or at least trying to cash in on her notoriety. While that may have been the case, she was still really just a child at the time, and ought to have been cut a large amount of slack, and left alone.

 

As for "on-line" liberals here or elsewhere, they're responsible for their own writing. I'm just a chunky middle-aged white liberal with too much free time and a passing interest in politics who enjoys debating intelligent conservatives. I think it fair to say that have about as much influence on national policy as your average houseplant.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

Now Why Didn't I Think of That?

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I think it fair to say that have about as much influence on national policy as your average houseplant.

 

I've already got my dog registered to vote.

 

Guess I'll register "Charlie Creeping, " too.

 

Green Party, natch.

Unless its a poinsettia...

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in which case you have to register it as a Socialist.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

No "outlier" here

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Jay C's picture

I fully agree with what JKC said - dumping on public figures' families - where said figures and/or families have made it clear that they do not want to be in the limelight - is pretty much undesirable/unacceptable in public discourse.

 

 

While I'm sure you really

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While I'm sure you really enjoy digging up the most oddball examples of liberal meanies (Letterman?), it is pretty irrelevant.  Have fun, though.

You've lost me here

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You've finally gone over my head. I hope you're proud of yourself.

Stop the Presses! Another Obama Tape!!

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Jay C's picture

Via TPM and Balloon Juice:

 

Another earth-shattering expose! More damning visual evidence proving - conclusively - that Barack Obama (if that really IS his name!) actually,   ummm, well...  actually DID something. Or Other. Twenty years ago! And in public, too!

 

1991 clip of 29-year-old law student Barack Obama speaking in public! In front of black people, and everything!!! And at a liberal elitist institution, to boot!

 

Shocking, I'm sure.

The 'God' particle

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Bird Dog's picture

They're getting closer to finding it.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

Dumb Name

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If the Higgs is the "God" particle, what are the others? Angel particles? Satan particles?

 

It's just one more friggin' particle. It's only a big deal because it's the last Standard Model particle they need to find, so it completes a model they have been building for decades. It's harder than the others because it requires so much more energy.

 

But even then, finding it won't lead to a unified theory with quantum gravity or anything. String Theory will remain unbound, etc. We are as far as ever from a complete understanding of the laws of the universe. We don't even know if this is the only one.

 

If anything, not finding it would be more interesting, as it would be a surprising result. But it sure wouldn't mean there is no God, any more than finding it would mean there is.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

Mitt's bad night

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Bird Dog's picture

Must be tough, having more delegates than all your opponents combined.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

The media is doing a good job here

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of giving Romney bad press with their treatment of the race as still wide open. 

 

Perhaps you could make a case that the narrative is appropriate given that the anti-Mitt vote has over 50%.

 

But basically the headlines and narratives I'm seeing are unfavorable reporting for Romney.

Why would he deserve good press?

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The overall dynamic is still the same.

 

While it's clear none of his competitors can secure enough delegates during the primary process to win the nomination, it's also still uncertain whether Romney himself can get to the convention with enough delegates to secure the nomination outright either.

 

Weak frontrunner that he is, he's getting the press he deserves.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

I think it's fair to compare the press that Obama got

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versus Clinton around this time in a much tighter race. 

 

Obama had the inevitability narrative that Romney is not getting, even though Romney's in as strong, if not stronger position.

Very different dynamic

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I don't remember a sizeable Not Obama or Not Clinton voting block.

 

Not Romney on the other hand is likely to remain a very significant sentiment on the right, even after he's nominated.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

Time For The Donors To Start Twisting Arms

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M Scott Eiland's picture

The race will--at least technically--go on for quite a while: the question is how much cheap-shotting will be included in the process.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

In other news

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As Reported By Wizards Of The Coast*

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M Scott Eiland's picture

"High-Level Moonbat Kobold Slain In Takeover Attempt--Will Be Resurrected To Live Out Retirement With His Hot Dryad Wife"

Hard to feel sorry for him, really.

* Not really--but a D&D themed tabloid would be entertaining.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Congress needs more crazy

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on the left end of the spectrum.  With Kucinich gone, Paul's going to be the only congressman complaining about the mind control drugs in contrails.

Chemtrails!

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That should bring out the nuts.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Romney wins OH

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Total GOP primary OH votes in 2008: 1,045,624

 

2012 Total: 1,191,281.

 

Make of it what you will.

 

It's a weak win

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HankP's picture

and the map is shaping up pretty clearly - Romney wins the northeast, the rust belt and the west, Santorum wins the midwest and Gingrich wins the deep south.

 

 

 

the best part is that this leaves everyone in the GOP unhappy.

I blame it all on the Internet

The rustbelt, northeast and west are the most populous

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and the deep south isn't in question anyway.

 

MN and IA aren't going to decide the election.

Sure

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HankP's picture

but it's a pretty clear geographic split, I don't remember seeing such a well defined regional difference for a while. Huckabee was strong in the south in 2008, but even that wasn't as clear a split as this one is.

I blame it all on the Internet

Palin Porn

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"I have appreciated what he has stood for, stood boldly for," she said. "He has been the underdog in many of these primary races and these caucuses and I've respected what he has stood for...my preference tonight was for the cheerful one." (Gingrich chose "cheerful" when asked to describe himself in one word at a recent presidential debate.) 

 

That's some loser sh&t right there.

I think it's great

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HankP's picture

that Newt staying in the race is making Romney inevitable. Once again his egotism is a win for liberals.

I blame it all on the Internet

I like the reuters headline

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Ohio looks like Santorum country after all...

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He is up by more than 3% with 26% reporting, and a few of flyover counties not yet reporting...

 

Still, it should be clear by now that Romney is the nominee.

 

Many Democrats think it's great that he will need to continue to grind through trench warfare with these kinds of results, but I am not so sure. It means he will end up with a battle-tested organization in nearly all 50 states.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

?????

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HankP's picture

Romney's been running for 6 years, I'm pretty sure everyone acknowledges that his organization is by far the most competent in the GOP at this point. The problem for the Romney campaign isn't the organization, it's the candidate. After 6 years he still has problems closing the deal with republicans, let alone any other voting segment.

I blame it all on the Internet

I am not defending Romney at all...

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All I am saying is that it will help him to have people in place all over the map.

 

Also, Romney is their one viable candidate in the general. He's doing badly among voters who despise Obama.

 

The truth is, it's up to the economy at this point. Save an exceptionally bad error, there is little either Obama or Romney can do to move the needle.

 

"It's the economy, stupid."

 

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

Yep

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M Scott Eiland's picture

For all of the complaining about Romney, if it comes down to him vs. Obama Republican voters won't even blink before choosing Romney. It will come down to the independents, who will react to the economy.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Basically agreed

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Tho if a soft economy makes the election tight, Romney's VP choice will be important.

 

Any ideas on who would enthuse the base w/out driving away independents?

The economy

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and the Republican jihad against the fairer sex.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

It will help on the margins...

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...but it won't trump a non-trivial uptick in unemployment, for example.

 

This issue would only be a killer for Santorum. Romney, not so much.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

More news like this and Obama might actually win

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WAGES REVISED HIGHER

Unit labor costs, which the Federal Reserve watches closely for signs of inflation, rose at an annual rate of 2.8 percent in the fourth quarter, the Labor Department said, revised sharply up from the 1.2 percent pace it reported last month. Third-quarter wage growth was raised to a 3.9 percent pace from the previously reported drop of 2.1 percent.

Hourly earnings, adjusted for inflation, rose at a 2.8 percent rate in the fourth quarter, revised from the previously reported 1.0 percent increase. It was the largest gain since the second quarter of 2010..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/07/us-usa-economy-idUSTRE7BM0AB20120307

After reading that good news and its likely positive effect on aggregate demand and economic growth, we can all enjoy the privilege of reading high profile economists who do nothing but promote pseudo-scientific propaganda for the wealthy:

"There is no room for policy complacency on the inflation side," said Alan Ruskin, head of G10 currency strategy at Deutsche Bank in New York. "The Fed is going to be confronted with a very difficult decision on how to proceed if the economy remains on its current path, and there is no evidence of core disinflation."

The U.S. central bank, which will hold its next policy meeting on Tuesday, has held interest rates near zero since late 2008 as part of its efforts to boost the economy. In January it said it would likely keep rates low through at least late 2014.

The Labor Department revised up its reading on non-farm productivity growth to a 0.9 percent pace in the fourth quarter from 0.7 percent. Productivity has slowed after growing rapidly as the economy emerged from the 2007-09 recession, and analysts said the rise in unit labor costs, if sustained, could weigh on companies' results.

Higher labor costs can hurt "job growth as employers squeeze more out the existing labor pool as they scramble to maintain profit margins in a growth environment that remains okay, but far from robust," said Eric Green, chief economist at TD Securities in New York.

 

THe discipline should definitely be tossed out of the National Academy of Sciences until the profession functions remotely as a scientific endeavor.  

The margins

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are where national elections are won & lost these days.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

Good Luck With That -nt-

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M Scott Eiland's picture

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The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Yep.

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http://www.npr.org/2012/03/07/148116969/can-republicans-win-over-women-i...

  

An Associated Press-GfK poll conducted in February showed Obama's approval rating improving, and gaining with women who give him more credit than men for the strengthening economy. His support between December and February climbed 10 percentage points among women.

A Washington Post/Pew poll released this week showed that Obama was even gaining among white women, a group he lost in 2008. In January, white women preferred Romney 50-44 percent, according to Doherty of the Pew Research Center. By February, Obama had taken the lead, with 52 percent of white women saying they preferred the president to Romney, who had fallen to 46 percent.

Pew experts were also struck, Doherty said, that Obama's lead against Romney among all women "was quite substantial, 59-38 percent."

 

Maybe Issa should convene another panel about the appropriatenes of contraceptives.

Dems are having good luck with that

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HankP's picture

thanks.

I blame it all on the Internet

No need for luck

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Little Ricky & the loudmouth in Boca are both still committed to tossing out softballs Dems can hit out the park with ease.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

Santorum is all over rural Ohio

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brutusettu's picture

Luckily Rick Santorum is near West Virginia, in Steubenville, Ohio, where a little above mid sized public high school with about 170 kids per grade has their own high school football stadium that per capita puts any high school stadium to shame (or maybe shows weird priorities, who knows such things).

 

[img]http://www.hsfootballweb.com/bigredsky.jpg[/img]

 

Roll Santorum Roll!

"Jazz, the music of unemployment."

 

Frank Zappa

I think it would be good for the GOP's opposition

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to have this drag on.

 

Romney's unfavorability ratings have gone up and the GOP brand in general has taken a hit, plus there's the $s wasted by ROmney's campaign.

 

From my perspective it'd be great for Santorum to eek out a win in OH.

 

Anyway, the real question is how ND, ID, and AK are going to vote tonight.