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The whole McCain and the 100 years question appears to have struck a nerve with conservatives. I wonder if they feel this is one of those comments that can define a candidate?
Anyhow, it's clear Obama and any Democrats that say that McCain wants to stay in Iraq for another 100 years are perfectly right. He is unwilling to say how long he will stay and thinks we need to finish the job without any deadline so 100 years is actually being nice to McCain, chances are he wants to stay even longer.
I like Josh Marshall's proposal (thanks Blue Neponset!):
Why doesn't every Democrat, when saying anything about the presidential race, start their remarks by saying: John McCain says he'd be happy to see our troops in Iraq for another hundred years. I just can't agree with that.That's really all you need to say. Keep it simple.
They should do this every day from now to election day. Let's hope.
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Nuance. It's not for everybody. Watch Powell over the coming months. He may surprise you, not to mention the GOP.
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)is a rarity, it seems, among Bush 43 Administration alumni: he apparently actually possesses a conscience.
No wonder he left.
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| parent )he's just another pro-torture Republican.
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| parent )Grading on the curve which is "willing to call himself a Republican," Powell looks good.
The problem is that the man is a good soldier. If he is told what to do, he'll do it, period.
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| parent )Why does Colin Powell hate America?
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| parent )Who'da thunk?
Gee, it's almost like this isn't so much a matter of conservatives being mad about "dishonesty" as conservatives being mad about America finding out (and disagreeing with) what John McCain actually wants.
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)I have to say it is nice to be on the other side of a "communication" issue. In 2004, I wanted to strangle John Kerry a few times after his long winded, confusing answers which were filled with ammo for the other side. It seems that Grandpa McCain is afflicted with a similar problem.
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)I let my temper get the better of me last night. I apologize for calling everyone retards.
It just seems so obvious what John McCain said, implied, meant, whatever and what Obama said, implied, meant, whatever, that it isn't even arguable.
Not to say that people aren't bringing up great points to argue in this post (or, at least, points to argue); they just have nothing to do with the thrust of this diary.
"Hey, look over there!"'s abound...
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| parent )but what Obama said is perfectly consistent with McCain's position.
There's two ways to look at this, try to address the substance or simply focus on the words used. I prefer the former. Obama is clearly and correctly pointing out that McCain has not set, and is unwilling to set, any time limits on how long he thinks US troops should continue in Iraq if they are suffering casualties. That's a fact.
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| parent )for the apology, and I would simply point out (again) that what John McCain meant is not at all obvious to us non-retards of a lefty persuasion.
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| parent )repeating the 100 year thing doesn't get on my nerves at all. Knock yourselves out with it for all I care.
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)Can I start with this?
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| parent )I can't see it.
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| parent )My favorite exchange on this from blowhard Chris Matthews:
I want to know when that 100 years starts also. Americans are unconcerned my a$$.
The guy is old, tired, and needs to put out to pasture. Half the time I don't even think he knows what is coming out of his mouth.
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)or is on the low side because McCain hasn't given a timetable are retarded.
I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded explanation I have ever seen.
So, not only are people making things up about what McCain says, but now they're even assuming he wants to stay even longer than what he's said.
RE-TARD-ED.
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)people with mentally handicapped friends/family members might cringe a little seeing 'retarded' used as an epithet for positions/people you don't like.
I know I do.
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| parent )... that the first thing that comes to mind when I see your username is the character from Life Goes On.
Now? Not so much.
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| parent )Feel free to not feel the least bit bad.
In fact: Enjoy it. Embrace it.
Love it.
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| parent )But, silly me, anything with the dreamy Chad Lowe is going to stand the test of time.
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| parent )Even had a discussion recently about whether it could qualify as 'groundbreaking' given that no shows w. mentally handicapped main characters came after it.
On the 'no' side is that 'breaking ground' is intimately tied w. 'paving' the way for similar future endeavors.
But at the end of the day I think everyone can agree that Life Goes On broke the ground, bought the lot, and exhaustively developed the land.
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| parent )I guess I was wrong.
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| parent )... in Hank's bookmark file than are dreamt of in my philosophy.
I plan to keep it that way.
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| parent )I just typed in corky.com to see what would come up. FTR, I'm not asian.
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| parent )preferred by others from the Dark Side.
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| parent )since he also said I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.
Are those bumper stickers available yet?
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| parent )'insulting the poster in a backhanded way so that you can deny that you were insulting him" trick. Let's try it.
People who don't get that McCain would stay fighting 100 years if necessary in Iraq are retarded. RE-TAR-DED.
And this one has the benefit that it's true to boot!
BTW corky, for those of us on this side of the retarded line, just how many years do you think McCain would have the US fight in Iraq before saying that's enough? Any idea? A ballpark figure will do.
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| parent )Have you posted anything truthful in this entire diary?
I said the people that are saying it are retarded. That's almost as forehanded an insult as you can get.
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| parent )Is saying that it's a forehanded insult an open way of admitting it's an insult without actually admitting it? No wonder we are on separate sides of the retarded line!
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Anyhoo, any guesses on how long Mac is willing to have battle casualties in Iraq?
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| parent )My guess: Eight years, max.
Oh wait...that's not a guess. That's a fact.
Which makes Obama's lies even more ridiculous.
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| parent )That's OK, I won't tell anyone.
8 years max, really? Where did you get that from? And a fact, no less. Is that 8 years more or another 3 on top of the 5 we've already been there?
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| parent ). . .if the Democrats keep putting up losers for the next twenty-odd Presidential elections.
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| parent )that doesn't answer the question. If I had asked that how long could McCain keep the fight in Iraq if he's elected president, then that would have been a good answer. But I asked something different.
You know us retards!
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| parent )50 years, then.
I'm 99% sure he will not beat her:
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| parent )The question is how many years does McCain think we should fight in Iraq, independent of whether he's alive or not. Now if you think it's 50 years, I think that's an OK number.
In any case, the central point remains that McCain sees no time limit on US casualties after which he'd call it quits so Obama is perfectly right in what he said.
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| parent )...your title and the content of your post. Obama didn't stop at saying that McCain wanted the U.S. in Iraq for 100 years, he said McCain wanted 100 years of war in Iraq, then he softened it later by saying a 100-year occupation, which is only slightly less dishonest. If Obama had said something along Marshall's lines, I'd have no problem.
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)When you accuse Democrats of wanting to surrender in Iraq, are you lying since you're not using the same words they're using? I'd say there's easily as much difference between the Dem's position and surrender as there is between McCain's no-Americans-dying 100 years and a 100-year war or occupation. How about applying your own standards to yourself?
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| parent )When folks like Harry Reid and others are saying we've already lost, it only stands to reason that proposals for unilaterally withdrawing our troops--without regard to the situation on the ground--are acts of surrender. McCain has never said he wants 100 years of war in Iraq as Obama dishonestly claimed. My standards remain single, thank you very much.
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| parent )So if the Democratic leadership in Congress says "We've achieved our goal of removing Saddam Hussein, throwing Iraq into chaos, and not finding any of the non-existent weapons of mass destruction. This is a victory for America, and we will leave with our heads held high," then they would not be surrendering?
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| parent )my side's mind reading good, the other side's mind reading bad.
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| parent )I was unaware that we would be ceding any US territory to the Iraqi successor state. Is there something I should be aware of?
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| parent )...here.
1. To relinquish possession or control of to another because of demand or compulsion. [A Democratic administration with a Democrat Congress would likely compel withdrawal of our troops, presumably to the Iraqi government, but if done too precipitously, to no one because such an act could spark civil war.]
2. To give up in favor of another. [A Democratic administration with a Democrat Congress would likely surrender in Iraq in favor of going to Afghanistan.]
3. To give up or give back (something that has been granted): surrender a contractual right. [Doesn't really apply.]
4. To give up or abandon: surrender all hope. [To paraphrase Reid: "We've already lost, and we need to send our troops home." To paraphrase Pelosi: "There's no light at the end of the tunnel, and we need to send our troops home."]
5. To give over or resign (oneself) to something, as to an emotion: surrendered himself to grief. [Harry Reid: "We've already lost." Pelosi: "There's no light at the end of the tunnel."]
Yeah, I think the word applies. Quite well. As I say from time to time, words do mean things.
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| parent )[A Democratic administration with a Democrat Congress would likely compel withdrawal of our troops, presumably to the Iraqi government, but if done too precipitously, to no one because such an act could spark civil war.]
The implication -- that the United States military is "surrendering" to the Democratic Administration -- is a revealing gaffe.
As for words meaning things, that would imply that words have contexts or connection to reality, something which has been vigorously denied in the case of McCain's statements.
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| parent )hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... surrender.
according to your preferred source of word definitions, only the french are capable of it.
it's either that or congress wants to let cheap trick manage the situation from here on out, according to you.
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| parent )do indeed mean something.
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| parent )they do. Do you have a point, or are you just plucking random words out of the dictionary?
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| parent )oh, here's another one - "We don't torture". I guess that statement is no longer operative.
Sorry if reminding you of this stuff gets you annoyed. Oh, wait, sorry isn't the right word. Maybe I'll have to check out that thesaurus to find the word I'm looking for.
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| parent )So your interesting link was directed at the Bush administration, which means you went off topic, employing tried-and-true "look over there" defense. Okay. Whatever. FTR, I'm against Bush on "enhanced interrogation" techniques and it's just one blot on his legacy, far as I'm concerned.
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| parent )just pointing out how words mean something for everyone, not just when used to score points against Democrats. Congrats on being "against" Bush on this issue without actually letting an official policy of torture affect who you're going to vote for or calling for anyone in his administration to be charged with any crimes. I'm sure that's comforting to someone. Based on the standards at Red State, I guess you did wash your hands of the matter.
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| parent )and if torture were my one issue, then you would have had a point. McCain's position on torture is one of the primary reasons I endorsed him. Fortunately, he's the GOP nominee.
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| parent )Either that, or he's voting for torture to get votes. I prefer the former, as the latter is terrifying.
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| parent )McCain spearheaded the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which prohibits inhumane treatment.
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| parent )From the Wikipedia article on the subject:
To sum up: The Act does not prohibit inhumane treatment, it merely creates turf boundaries on which agencies may commit it. And McCain worked to make sure that the CIA retained that ability.
By the bye, in case it's relevant, this is the last time I will feel obliged to respond to a request of yours for support or citation -- you've made too many trivially provably false statements, and you repeatedly refuse to provide citations for other statements you repeatedly make.
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| parent )Let's check out the Congressional Research Service (a non-partisan investigative arm of Congress) and see what they have to say. Quote:
So, based on this assessment, how again is McCain pro-torture? The amendment passed 90-9 in the Senate. Going by James Joyner, nine Repbublicans voted against McCain's amendment. Therefore, going by your logic and your standards, EVERY SINGLE GODDAM DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE IS SENATE IS PRO-TORTURE, INCLUDING HILLARY CLINTON (does it sound like I'm shouting? Well, good).
But I guess that's just another one of my "trivially provably false statements" that I do. You know, one of those things that I "repeatedly refuse to provide citations for". Yeah, and f*ck that. In my opinion, you don't know what f*ck you're talking about. You're just another left-wing extremist--AND conservative bigot--who spouts off sh*t that's not true.
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| parent )The McCain Amendment contains no provisions for enforcement. So people who were either pro- or anti-torture could vote for it; the former as a fig leaf and the latter as part of their overall commitment. Further, the Amendment explicitly allows the "I was just following orders" defense, thus exempting essentially every single torturer from any legal repercussions whatsoever.
When it came to banning CIA torture of detainees, McCain was against. When it came to ineffectual resolutions which it was known the President would eviscerate through signing statement, McCain was right there to make the pointless gesture.
So -- to sum up:
You repeatedly refuse to provide citations for your points, and when you do provide citations, they do not support your points. Further, when called on this, you resort to pathetic namecalling and asterisked profanity. After this, you self-righteously invoke posting rules on other threads.
Have you considered sending a resume to the Washington Post? They may need some backup for Jonah Goldberg.
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| parent )Not that I expect that that grounding in reality is going to sink in. I may have been a little harsh in my previous comment, but I wasn't the one who started impugning another commenter's intellectual integrity. That was you, my friend.
Oh, and because all of the Senate Democrats voted "aye" for DTA, I take it that you must believe that they are all pro-torture, including Hillary.
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| parent )the Amendment explicitly allows the "I was just following orders" defense, thus exempting essentially every single torturer from any legal repercussions whatsoever.
The *Graham-Levin* (not McCain) amendment is nowhere near that strong; the defense is if "a person of ordinary sense and understanding would not know the practices were unlawful. Good faith reliance on advice of counsel should be an important factor, among others, to consider..."
When it came to banning CIA torture of detainees, McCain was against.
False. The earlier McCain Detainee Amendment stated that "No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment." This prohibits the CIA from engaging in torture. The debate was over whether they should be restricted to the methods outlined in the AFM.
When it came to ineffectual resolutions which it was known the President would eviscerate through signing statement
Signing statements have no force of law. The majority in Hamdan gave no weight to this signing statement.
McCain was right there to make the pointless gesture
He was criticized by many on the right at the time for pushing his proposal, and criticized later by the left for his vote on the CIA bill. He sure didn't get much political traction out of his "pointless gesture." I guess you don't have to presume any sincerity on his part but it sure seems a stretch to argue this all makes him "pro-torture" -- sounds like you mean he's not as anti harsh interrogation as you'd prefer.
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| parent )Quote, from your link: "McCain voted against this bill and recommended that President Bush follow through on his threat to veto it, arguing that the CIA already could not engage in torture but should have more options than afforded military interrogators." Because the CIA could go beyond the field manual's approved techniques, doesn't mean inhumane treatment or torture was permitted. The overriding standard is that detainees receieve humane treatment. The Senate approved the McCain amendment 90-9 and the House approved it 308-122.
...you've made too many trivially provably false statements, and you repeatedly refuse to provide citations for other statements you repeatedly make.
What a load of dishonest crap.
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| parent )And each of us must decide for ourselves the underlying beliefs or lack thereof we believe John McCain holds with respect to torture.
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| parent )A commenter makes a wild-ass supposition, and just like anyone else on these boards, I reserve the right to ask him to back it up.
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| parent )for the Military Commissions Act of 2006, as big a stab in the heart of America and what it means to be American as any law passed by Congress. McCain is a phony patriot, giving speeches glorifying himself while putting party above country whenever it actually matters.
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| parent )McCain opposed the amendment which would require all personnel to operate under the Army Field Manual. McCain was agreeable to the CIA not operating with those restrictions, but the controlling standard in the Detainee Treatment Act is that all detainees be treated humanely.
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| parent )...detainees are treated or interrogated. Glad to see you questioning McCain's patriotism. Actually not.
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| parent )removing the protections of the Geneva Conventions has nothing to do with how detainees are treated - nice try. Once again, by your standards the act would have to explicitly say that torture is legal to allow any interpretation that would make Bush or his cowardly Republican lackeys look bad.
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| parent )The legislation reinforced the Geneva Conventions because the act codified the establishment of proper military tribunals into law. Habeas corpus has nothing to do with the GC, and detainee treatment has nothing to do your link to the tribunals act.
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| parent )Then tell me how establishing competent military tribunals for all detainees is a removal of the Geneva Conventions. Remember, the Supreme Court had ruled on this prior to the legislation, and intent of the legislation was to bring the law into synch with the ruling.
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| parent )from the text of the damn bill itself -
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(g) Geneva Conventions Not Establishing Source of Rights.--No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.
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(a) In General.--No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.
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It then goes on to say that the President, and the President alone, is the only person who can interpret the specific meaning of the Geneva conventions and creates a new classification of violation, a "grave violation" as opposed to just an everyday violation of the Geneva Conventions. In our form of government, I always thought it was the courts that interpreted law. Now, they are not even allowed to hear claims of this type.
No matter what you say, no matter how you word it, if you stand with this administration and party you stand for torture, as simple as that. Say whatever you want to assuage your conscience, that stain will not wash off.
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| parent )First, unlawful enemy combatants are not protected persons as defined in the Geneva Conventions. Therefore, those detainees cannot lobby for rights they do not have in the first place. Protected persons are generally defined as lawful combatants, civilians and certain medical and Red Cross personnel. Generally, the GC require that people held in custody be treated humanely and the Detainee Treatment Act, a bill that John McCain wrote the previous year, supercedes.
Second, the MCA has nothing to do with torture or the treatment of detainees. It's all about setting up tribunals for alien unlawful enemy combatants.
Third, yes there is a clause which says the president can interpret the meaning and application of the GC. Presidents have the constitutional authority to interpret treaties as part of their job to faithfully execute the laws and treaties of this land, but that authority is not exclusive and those interpretations cannot exceed the ordinary meaning of said treaties. This would explain the existence of the following clause in the very same section of the bill. Quote: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the constitutional functions and responsibilities of Congress and the judicial branch of the United States."
Fourth, the president didn't create "grave violations", they're already there. Try Article 130 of the 3rd GC. The difference is that they call them grave breaches which, as it turns out, so does the MCA.
The problem with the Geneva Conventions is that they say damn little about unlawful enemy combatants, pretty much only that they are to be treated humanely.
...if you stand with this administration and party you stand for torture, as simple as that. Say whatever you want to assuage your conscience, that stain will not wash off.
Party? I must look pretty small down there, with you on that high horse. FTR, as I've said numerous times, I have no confidence in the Bush administration.
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| parent )From this summary of Hamdan, which prompted the MCA:
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| parent )There are many more important issues at stake than the rule of law. For instance, I heard there's this black person who is totally getting a free ride on welfare.
A stain on Bush's legacy? Nah, this isn't restricted to Bush. Nice try though.
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| parent )it wasn't even a "stain", it was a "blot", like a small crumb of food that falls from a porcine face onto a silk napkin in one's lap at a dinner party. Something that's overlooked in polite society. Calling it a "stain" or a "disgrace" or a "war crime" is just being hyperbolic and anti-American.
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| parent )You've applied that as a blanket description of the intentions of all Democrats, including the ones you dialogue with in this board. It's a huge leap, you know it, and you do it anyway because you like the rhetorical punch the word "surrender" gives you.
Obama is just doing what you do, my friend.
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| parent )I've been very specific about saying that the Reid-Pelosi wing of the party believes we've already lost, so are proposing acts of surrender. I've been very careful about not lumping all Democrats in with them.
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| parent )Withdrawal does not equal surrender. Spin that all you like, it's just not so. A surrender is an agreement defining the terms of capitulation. Appomattox, the USS Missouri. That's surrender.
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| parent )Well, at least it's not some technical question!
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| parent )What territory or rights are we ceding?
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| parent )from now on to check if he uses the same words of those he attacks.
It could become a full-time occupation!
As a retard I have plenty of time.
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| parent )When Kerry proposed a "global test" for unilateral intervention in 2004, that was taken by the Bush admin -- and BD, if I recall -- to mean that he would allow other countries to veto our policies.
The latitude one is willing to grant to interpretations of candidates' remarks is directly proportional to which side that candidate is on. Which should surprise no one.
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| parent )these are Republicans you're dealing with. They may ... may ... from time to time mildly criticize one of their own, but only to gain credibility points with the people who aren't paying attention.
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| parent )McCain is unwilling to say how long he is willing to stay and fight and thinks setting any deadline is defeatist. So 100 years is probably on the low side.
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| parent )Obama is telling folks that McCain said X when he really said Y. Obama was caught in a lie.
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| parent )McCain meant X and Obama is correctly pointing that out.
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| parent )No matter the explicit explanations of what McCain said about the 100 years, he really meant something else. Good luck with that. So the next time Obama says one thing, I can just say he meant something else and go with that, no? This could be fun. Hmm, let's see. So when Obama said, "It's very hard to tell your banker that he's wrong," he really meant, "I'm afraid to confront the Chinese for their human rights violations." I could go on and on.
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| parent )http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/fdeb03a7-30b0-4ece-8e34-4c7ea...
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| parent )Please show where on his website it says that McCain wants 100 years of war/occupation in Iraq.
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| parent )any shorter amount of time.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )That was the sound of a goalpost being moved. You got nothing.
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| parent )According to John McCain's web page on Iraq, when might US forces begin withdrawing from Iraq? If the answer is conditional on certain conditions being met, when might those conditions be met?
Take as long as you like.
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| parent )Isn't that McSame's whole problem on this issue as exemplified by his 100 years statement?
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| parent )Yes, yes you can.
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| parent )we need another diary explaining that Obama is a liar concerning McCain's repeated desire for a 100-10,000 year US commitment to Iraq just as soon as it becomes a peaceful haven like Mississippi.
Maybe an angry conservative can jump in and call 3/4 of the posters there 'gay-wads' or 'dum-dum-heads' and not get called on it.
I know you guys have it in you.
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| parent )when the veiled Nazi comparisons to the other 1/4 of the posters on this site cease I'll start feeling sorry for you.
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| parent )I find it amusing, is all.
I especially liked the break. Down. In. To. Syl. Lab. Les.
Funny stuff. Better than the 'humor' diaries.
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| parent )perhaps they could be broken down by syllable so you too could laugh along.
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| parent )I like the 'humor' diaries just fine, thanks. They're funny in their own way.
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| parent ).
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| parent )Obama used different words than McCain. So much for that "new kind of politics" he promised last year.
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| parent )Obama accurately portrayed McCain's position, which is that we need to stay fighting in Iraq without any kind of timetable.
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| parent )my sarcasm was obvious. I'll include the winky-smile next time. :)
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| parent )Or so I am told.
You simply proved it!
:)
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