Obama Live!
You can watch Obama's Berlin speech, here. It's a live feed from the campaign web site.
Right now? Just a shot of an empty podium, some security guys, and, I kid you not, the Rolling Stones singing "Sympathy for the Devil."
Hunh?
Edit: Unless this is some weirdness in my own computer. And it's worth noting, that this is a different mix of the original song. Which I've never heard before. I remain puzzled.
Edit II: I'm actually enjoying Obama Radio. Now it's some bouncy Manchester band I can't identify. Hey, at least it's not about the Devil. So we've got the Devil, 'Say Goodbye to Love' (the chorus of the second song), and now...? "Let's Dance" by David Bowie.
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Obama in Berlin.................."Ich Bin ein Beginner."
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)Proof that conservatives can do comedy. And that comedy's born of desperation. :)
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Who said he was a conservative?
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| parent )It is to all our benefit if the Dennis Miller Effect™ is a myth.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Barack Obama, today
Ronald Reagan (June 17, 1982)
Ah well. Never mind.
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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)The phrase also appears in JFK's famous inaugural address. Twice.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )what billions of people around the world think about our affairs. Which affect them directly. And whose support would be extremely valuable. If they know what's good for them.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )Yeah, like, exactly! F*ck 'em.
As soon as I heard that ("citizen of the world") I wondered if hyperpartisans on the right were going to get all silly over it. Have they? (I haven't been tuned in).
By the way, something in your comment reminded me of a joke I can't tell in this ovum...er, I mean forvum. I'll try to remember to tell you it next time we all get together for beers. That way you won't remember the source and won't be able to quote me on it.
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| parent )Interesting to see so many Europeans waving American flags again..
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/24/164149/523/904/556422
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)The Economist has another one
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| parent )...this excited by something.
--Live not by lies.
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)I am disappointed Obama failed to give credit to the Iraqi surge for the success of the Berlin Airlift.
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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)I'm disappointed he didn't give himself and/or his supporters credit for making Americans feel really proud of their country for the first time in their adult lives.
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| parent )And I'm assuming this is meant as a joke. The problem is that you're taking a well-known statement made by one person (Michelle Obama), and trying to shoe-horn it into a joke about another (Barrack Obama). That's why it's not funny. And doesn't make sense. Which also undercuts the funny.
(Much in the way that making a painkiller addiction joke about Senator McCain would make no sense because Cindy was the one who klepto'd the painkillers.)
Life is hard. Comedy is harder.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )That's why it's not funny.
Nah, more likely you don't think it's funny because you aren't inclined to appreciate a joke about your guy.
Oh, and your argument is also flawed, for all its effort at logic. Michelle was proud of America apparently because of Barack's success in the primaries and particularly because America was supporting Barack, and presumably she felt she was expressing a sentiment shared by many others. Therefore, my joke about Barack crediting his supporters for making people proud of America was hardly a comedic non sequitur akin to the potential non sequitur of making a painkiller joke about John McCain when Cindy was the one involved with the painkillers.
But other than your flawed logic and partisan humorlessness, thanks for the wit lesson.
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| parent )In fact, I was just enjoying, thanks to Hulu, last night's Daily Show, which is having a lotta fun with Obama and The Trip Seriously. I actually chuckled.
And again, not to belabor this, but the Barrack joke only makes sense if in fact he held that opinion himself -- for which there is no evidence. Except that his wife said it.
Nice 'presumably' tho'.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )the Barrack joke only makes sense if in fact he held that opinion himself
So according to Harley's Rules of Humor, if the guy's wife has an opinion about him and his supporters, a joke premised on HIS having a similar opinion as his wife is insufficiently relevant to have any chance of being regarded as funny. Must be tough getting through life with such an exceedingly tight restriction on what is sufficiently relevant for a joke to be funny (and lecturing others regarding that standard).
But thanks. Now I understand why no one has ever laughed at any of my attempts at humor throughout my life: insufficient relevancy of premises per Harley's standard. Thanks again, man. All I can say, and with equivalent excitement, is what Navin Johnson (Steve Martin in The Jerk) said when the new phone book came out with his name in it: "Things are going to start happening to me now!"
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| parent )And now you're just spinnin'. Michelle wasn't talking about 'his supporters' (nice try), she was talking about herself. And doing this stuff for a living does give one high standards, even higher when you've spent a lotta time with some seriously funny people. Happily, the latter affords one ample opportunities to, you know, laugh. (On the other hand, I coulda done without Steve Martin hitting on the Lovely Deanna at the Christmas party every year. Guy's got a good eye, I'll give him that.)
And in fairness, it was more snark than a joke. But the rules still apply.
Sadly, Harley's Rules of Humor is out of print. Tho' Macallan may have a copy -- speaking as a figment of his imagination, it's only logical.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )Michelle wasn't talking about 'his supporters' (nice try), she was talking about herself.
Too bad you didn't write Harley's Rules of Paying Attention. My initial comment was:
I subsequently said:
(oh, and needless to say -- or so one would think -- the reason I "presume" that is because if she thought many others did not feel similarly, I doubt she would have said it, because she would realize that expressing such a sentiment if others didn't share it would come across as kinda weird or worse)
and then:
And here again, your response to the latter:
Michelle wasn't talking about 'his supporters' (nice try), she was talking about herself.
oooooooo k. Get some rest, Comedy Cop (Keystone, that is).
doing this stuff for a living
Yeeesh, there goes the country. Or do you do "this stuff" for a living in Finland? (that would explain their mood and facial expression most of the time)
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| parent )We're reaching a kind of cul de sac, thankfully, so I'll be brief.
This is what you said:
Weird that you left that out. The 'opinion' was, in fact, a statement about her own feelings. Adding 'his supporters' is a sorta obvious attempt to make the joke relevant/functional. Except it's not. And it's still not funny.
Hey. It was unfunny snark that was founded on nothing more than the writer's own biases. Yours. No big deal. It happens. But at this point the attempts to justify the bad gag are now becoming more wearisome than the original remark. Which also happens.
On the other hand, the cartoon you posted was genuinely funny. So there's that.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )First, outside of your, er, mind (I gotta watch the adjectives...posting rules, ya' know), it's not "weird" that I left out one of the references. Just an oversight, and contrary to your claim, it does not support your argument in the slightest. To the contrary it supports mine.
To proceed with this tedium (don't ask me why), yeah, she was expressing her feelings, which she presumably felt were shared by many of Obama's supporters (and even if that weren't obviously the case, which it is, it's not at all clear that the possibility of Obama having the same opinion/feeling as his wife is outside the bounds of comedic relevancy as you insist it clearly is). Oh wait, I already explained that to you a few times, but then again, having already explained that prior to my previous explanations didn't stop me from explaining it again those times -- wait, now I get it, you're into comedy: you're getting me to participate in an Abbot & Costello "Who's On First" routine. Now your comments in this exchange make perfect sense.
It was unfunny snark that was founded on nothing more than the writer's own biases. Yours.
Yeah, what biases are those?
On the other hand, the cartoon you posted was genuinely funny. So there's that.
Whew! I can sleep tonight. The self-appointed arbiter of comedy who can't seem to follow the premises and structure of a joke approves of something I offered as humor. What a relief.
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| parent )I give up. I was wrong. You're hilarious.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )I heard rumor there's a polymorph loose on the site.
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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| parent )I guess that would make me the original Holly. I'll take votes on who fills the following roles:
Lister
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Cat
Kryten
I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )If I didn't mind being smeggin banned or put in blogging stasis for a while.
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| parent )We have a one-for-one exchange and then you call me "tenacious". A double standard like that -- now that's hilarious.
Thanks again for the lessons in wit, logic, and (by example) irony.
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| parent )Understand, Grasshopper. When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.
(Just for my own edification. You're between the ages of 20 and 30, yes?)
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| parent )Just for my own edification. You're between the ages of 20 and 30, yes?
I've known some intelligent guys named Ed, and I don't want you to bring down the average, so I'm not going to facilitate your Edification.
Oh wait, per Harley's Rules of Humor, that joke is not eligible for consideration as potentially funny because the "e" in "edification" is lower case, whereas in the name "Ed" it is capitalized. So the name "Ed" is insufficiently relevant to be utilized in such a joke. Darn, I guess I won't get an "A" in Harley's Humor 101.
By the way, re: the age guessing, I'm impressed. In addition to being a comedy guru, you also have an Amazing Kreskin act.
As for that pebble, when it stops bouncing around in your skull I'll grab it through your nose.
All of the above meant in good-natured fun...ya' know, just kidding* -- hee hee :)
* as in not a violation of posting rules.
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| parent )This was not worth a second day.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )not worth even half that. Although I must admit that it is a bit amusing to watch someone persist in mouthing off in a condescending fashion while being wrong all the while.
Oh wait, I shouldn't say it's amusing. I should ask YOU if it is.
See you on some other thread. Bring your good brain next time. Apparently it was at the shop yesterday and you were using a rental.
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| parent )and the rules don't permit them, please desist.
Comment not commenter.
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| parent )you are correct
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| parent )...between the ages of enlarged and prostate.
;-)
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| parent )Like any good figment.
--"How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read." -- Karl Kraus, 1909
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| parent )Nature is your friend.
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| parent )???
--. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .
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| parent )Four more Abu Ghraibs!
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| parent )and the Non Sequitur Prize goes to...yyyyyyyou.
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| parent )Or maybe the Dixie Chicks?
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!
[The day of freedom and bread is dawning!
--Our servitude will not last much longer now!]
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)The people cheering for Obama are like Nazis; get it?
Hahahahahaha!!!
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| parent )The crowd of Germans who want to vote for Obama gathered in front of the Berlin Victory column that the National Socialists placed in front Of the Berlin City Palace in 1939. Hadn't thought of that - thanks.
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| parent )You're a subtle one.
Ever thought of submitting to the New Yorker?
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| parent )But they only publish literate liberals, not contentious conservatives. Plus, my writing sucks.
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| parent )Not a fair, open-minded independent? You're putting me on.
Plus, my writing sucks.
Yeah, but can you draw?
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| parent )And paint by numbers. And color within the lines. What do I win?
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| parent )Hah! My first conservative joke. I feel...shivery.
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| parent ).
--Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham
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| parent )-0-0--o-
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| parent )IT's not on the site. I'm getting it on CNN on the net. (no TV in Orcas).
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)ohmugod ohmugod OHMUGOD! [teenage girl scream sound]
The big question: Will he open with "She loves you" or "I Wanna Hold Your Hand"? Either way, we won't be able to hear him over the screaming/fainting crowd.
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)Just to change it up a little.
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| parent )If either of the two candidates is Metal, it's McCain.
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| parent )But need to get clearance from M. Scott in case it violates the no-insult contest. Sorry.
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| parent )I think we should all chip in and get you both the prize just so that we can enjoy the *insultery* again.
--More Wagster!
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