Palin RESIGNS
So, I'm guessing she's learned pretty much all the job is going to teach her and it's time to move on to bigger and better things!!
Here.
The assumption is that she's resigning in order to spend more time in Iowa, among other primary states, in order to build up a tsunami of support that will sweep her to the GOP nomination and then -- this part is more my plan than hers -- bury the last dagger in the bleeding corpse of the party by reducing it to a regional political gathering that prizes ignorance, godliness, and hotness to such a degree that they're will to cede most of the country, and the White House in particular, to the Democrats.
Okay by me.
Any other thoughts? She's ripe for a radio talk show of some kind, but hasn't shown much facility for the thinking on her feet that would help her through, and as you can't see someone wink over your radio, she'll be leaving her best club in her bag. She'd be great for a washed-up celebrity reality show, but I honestly didn't see her making that move for at least seven years.
Time will tell, I guess.
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apologies, hobbesist, but it's fascinating. a 72 yr. old cancer survivor selected this woman as VP and 60 million people voted for the ticket:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8016906&page=1
EDIT: I just went to Dailykos and they've got essentially the same post on their F-P. But for the record I didn't see that one before posting here and may have posted this guy first
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)but there is a Department of Law in the Alaska state government, and it is "part of the executive branch of Alaska state government. The attorney general is the principal executive officer of the department, and is appointed by the governor of Alaska. The attorney general serves as the legal advisor for the governor and other state officers, prosecutes all violations of state criminal law, and enforces the consumer protection and unfair trade practices laws."
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| parent )At some point it gets embarrassing.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Never. I only mentioned it because "department of law" didn't come from nowhere. That she didn't say "Justice Department" or "White House legal counsel" means she gaffed (or gacked) yet again.
Meantime, Dumbass Joe continued his dumbassery while in a job that can cause major international repercussions if the person in that position says dumbass things, and it's a position a bit more important than backwater state governor.
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| parent )...about Dumbass Joe rather than jack this one.
Thanks.
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| parent )For example, this point was certainly embarrassing to anyone unfortunate enough to read a comment so out of touch with reality.
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| parent )but on the substance, she is essentially correct.
Some might regard potential quasi-immunity to lawsuits and enhanced scrutiny of those who "defame" her as a really good reason not to put her in the White House, of course.
The whole Palin phenomenon is really interesting to me. Neither side seems to see her with any clarity at all, and the commentary about her is more concerned with symbology than policy. What she is is an ambitious, wealthy, charismatic, self-centered and none-too-bright politician who mistakenly thought she had the chops to make it on the national stage.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent ). . .fireside TV broadcasts as President in 1929, as Joe Biden claimed. Care to start impeachment proceedings for Ol' Joe?
It's pretty obvious that she's referring to the Justice Department.
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| parent )It's pretty obvious that neither you nor Palin understand the difference between the Justice Department, the WH counsels office or the President's personal legal representative. Nor their respective duties and responsibilities with respect to the constitution, the office of the Presidency or the person of the President.
--"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias
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| parent )Just keep working with that theory.
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| parent )Palin is genuinely ignorant. There's a difference.
Besides referring to the 'Dept. of Law', she's wrong on the substance -- she can have ethical investigations of her while campaigning or occupying higher office. It could cost the government. In a civil suit it could cost her personally.
Many of us learned such things when Bill Clinton was president and they were on the Tee-vee for years.
If you're a pol, you get yourself a legal defense fund together. laypeople know this.
These interviews she's given leave only one conclusion: she's dumb as a sack of hammers.
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| parent ). . .was sitting in the White House in 1929 making television broadcasts is pretty darned ignorant.
And--with the Special Prosecutor law now a matter for the history books--the President *is* a lot less vulnerable to frivolous ethics actions than Reagan, Bush the Elder, or Clinton were, with discretion regarding whatever investigations do take place being vested in. . .yep, the Justice Department. You *did* know that, right?
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| parent )At least as far as I've seen. Feel free to present more evidence.
Biden has given countless interviews.
Every single time I've seen Palin debate or give an interview she's looked like she was doggy paddling in the deep end. I don't know what to say if you can't tell the difference. Maybe you're just not trying to see it?
The Office of the special counsel still investigates ethics violations, and I never said it wasn't in the DoJ.
The pt. is that Palin can't have it both ways: If avoiding legal charges to her person and the state is a reason to resign the governorship, it's a reason to stay out of politics period.
It's the sort of 'duh' question Palin isn't properly prepared to answer b/c she's not too swift.
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| parent )He's not a complete idiot, but he's a self-satisfied and garrulous mediocrity, a Senator's Senator. Read his questioning of Alito sometime if you want a chuckle, or perhaps a wince. Is there a single question in there that takes him less than two hundred words to ask? The irrelevant references to his childhood in Delaware and the constant repetition of the "I'm not saying you're a racist, but..." formulation are beyond grating as well.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )Some rambling on a SCOTUS nomination by a Senator.
Not really equivalent to Sarah Palin's fundamental lack of curiousity. She doesn't know how things work and has never bothered to figure out.
I think that's important and shouldn't be whitewashed with some quotes from Biden who can ramble brainlessly at times.
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| parent )Top-5-joe-biden-gaffes. This leaves open what a pattern of gaffes means.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )And I don't think they expose a level of ignorance of how things work that should disqualify you from higher office.
That's not my impression with Palin.
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| parent )because having a grasp of how things work is not something I ever associated with Joe Biden.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )The basics.
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| parent )supposing a guy in a wheelchair might not be able to stand?
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )Seriously, I deny the equivalency.
I don't think I'm very partisan, and it mystifies me that someone like SCott or you wouldn't have the sense that she has far fewer clues than anyone who's been on a national ticket for decades. Certainly since I've been paying attention.
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| parent )I have to conclude that Biden's brain is just too slow to keep up with his words. The problem is, now that he's VP, those blurps can carry major international repercussions by him sending wrong or conflicting signals. He's not just an idiot. Given his position, he's a dangerous idiot.
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| parent )and they were harmless slip-ups that anyone who does a lot of public speaking would make.
They did not seem like someone struggling to not embarrass themselves while also wanting to look like they are actually addressing a topic they know nothing about.
Your quote is the very one Sulla wants an 'A-men' on!
It's perfectly reasonable sounding -- 'we don't pull Israel's strings just b/c we give them so much $', and the type of thing you'd expect someone to say in public. Then, hopefully the Obama admin. is yanking at the strings behind the scenes.
Sorry, that is not like referring to the 'Department of Law' in the 'national' government which is going to make sure the government and/or your person doesn't have to foot bills against legal challenges.
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| parent )but no more than myself or Scott. I'm from the Ken White school of not being terribly impressed with any politician for numerous reasons. So I'm always game if anyone wants to play this politician is stupider because...
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )and then there's Sarah Palin.
There is such a thing as over-prone to drawing equivalencies, Sulla. That might not be a partisan failing, but it's one nonetheless.
Bush II wasn't particularly prepared on many issues when he ran in 2000, but he had also obviously thought through many others and could anticipate and appreciate questions from both sides of an issue.
Sarah Palin embarrasses herself in many of the soft-ballest of soft-ball contexts b/c she generally lacks that capacity.
Honestly, can you name another politician on a national ticket w/in the last 50 years who would've met their match during a Catie Couric interview?
That's the game we're dealing with here.
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| parent )being wowed over by Geraldine Ferraro either when she ran or by her support for Hillary last year.
Edit: and while Biden is capable of seeming somewhat smart for 3/4 of an interview he usually says something so out of place I'm left wondering if the stupid comment was the real Joe Biden and the rest of it is an act.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )looking like it was almost too tough for him?
That's just unrealistic.
Palin is unique.
Geraldine Ferraro? She could hold her own on Crossfire with Pat Buchanan. I saw her in highschool. Give me a break. Night and day.
I'm not old enough to remember, but I'm guessing Ferraro didn't do only namby pamby interviews and hide from the press like Palin did.
Guys! She hides from the press b/c she doesn't know the basics!
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| parent )was not so much stupidity as overconfidence. What most politicians do in that situation is polish their store of bland, meaningless doubletalk and then obligingly repeat it. I'm sure Palin is more than capable of that; any reasonably bright ten-year-old is capable of it. She apparently either expected a much more superficial interview or simply didn't realize how the game is played.
Her subsequent avoidance of the media can probably be attributed to a combination of shell shock and bad advice.
I originally thought that Palin really was so ridiculously dumb that she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine she reads (for example). In retrospect, though, that doesn't seem too likely. She got wrong-footed and couldn't recover.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )actually only did namby pamby interviews and hide from the press, how is it you would know that she can't grasp the basics? We're dealing with impressions here and obviously you think she is unique in some way whereas I think she fits in fine with many other politicians. If you want to go through the trouble of laying out some objective criteria with concrete examples for what makes Palin unique (apart from your assertions) I'll go through the trouble of digging up counter examples.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )The namby pamby interviews only required a knowledge of the very basics and she still looked like she was doggy paddling in the deep end!!!
I'm sorry, I'm not reviewing that Couric interview. If you haven't picked up on this yet, this could take some time. I thought in your heart of hearts you must've known that she's the dimmest bulb we've seen around these parts in some time and that the right cajoling could get you to admit it.
If she runs again maybe we can go through the trouble of proving this case!
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| parent )just like any other politician. There is no justifying that Russia answer, but whether that was due to her being stupid, a poor interviewer, lousy at spinning, etc. I can't say I know enough about her to be sure. What I do know is she isn't the only politician who says stupid things, so if that is the criteria by which we judge I'm confident in my ability to stretch equivalency.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )... to the point of inequivalency!!!
-- Palin's got her strengths alright ... but they're mostly in her legs!!
-- She's got her weaknesses alright ... and I'm not talking about her eczema!!
Sorry, I should perhaps get away from the computer for a sec.
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| parent )She is genuinely incompetent on questions of policy. I won't go as far as you and say she lacks the "capacity" – she is a moderately intelligent person who could in theory bone up on both issues and interview techniques. That she hasn't yet bothered to do so doesn't speak well for her qualifications, but it's at least in the realm of possibility that she could return in 10 years a wiser, more capable person.
But yeah, comparing her now to Ferraro/Biden is carrying equivalence too far.
--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
–Voltaire
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| parent )There's something about organizing info. into point/counterpoint that she lacks or doesn't exercise. Lookit that resignation statement.
I guess I was speculating that that was part of the reason she has absorbed so little policy knowledge.
But I'm also with you, Jordan. And let's not forget that Charlie Gibson interview. She bombed it in a way only Palin could!
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| parent )The poll trends are certainly striking.
My feeling is that McCain probably could not have won with any VP; he was fighting a two-front war, running against Bush and Obama simultaneously. But if he'd picked someone else, it might have been a lot closer.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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)http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palin5-2009jul05,0,7018263.story
She's not under FBI investigation.
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)Leaving aside the question of who those "countless others" are, this is the kind of thing you just can't say without sounding like a prat.
At least we agree that her resignation was good for the country.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )It's been fun watching some of the weirder rightwards pretzel themselves over this one -- and yes, it's Obama's fault, btw -- but this is one of the better I've seen:
Zombie party.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)movement. Governing is a waste of taxpayer money. Only elections matter.
--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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| parent )"I think the left and national media will be emboldened to ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping of conservative politicians, ..."
"I’ve had this running thought all day, perhaps because I was watching it on TV in HD for the first time, that this is kind of like Ben Kenobi letting Darth Vader strike him down."
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/03/a-few-additional-and-hopefully-final-thoughts-on-sarah-palin/
I think "...ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping..." is pure wingnut gold. The Star Wars angle is sweet, sweet icing.
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)A somewhat unhinged yet ambitious right-wing politician, a person educated people would consider ridiculous, goes down in political flames after failing to reach high office.
Yet this person is a symbol to a disaffected few, in a time of economic reversal and loss of national standing. This person follows up on the initial failure with a book.
That both of these are caused by previous right-wing policy is of course immaterial: They president appears weak and willing to compromise while any red-blooded American knows we need a fighter as far removed from the elites as possible.
So, the Obama era may work out fine, the recovery may happen, and Palin may become irrelevant.
But the opposite could happen, too. The BRICs could trash the dollar, inflation could reign, and millions more could flow to the so-far fabricated tea party Nazis.
I think liberals underestimate just how quickly and how badly our situation can deteriorate and make room for a figure like Palin. A simple terror attack, or the assassination of Obama, would obviously turn the tables. But short of that, our path to economic prosperity is cloudy at best. The fact that Larry Summers is a key figure in this administration is hardly reassuring.
If you think a clown can never take over a "serious" country, you need to read more history. These are still dangerous times.
--My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.' -Chesterton
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)Wasilla sports complex and vacation home or no, when someone smokes that much there's bound to be fire somewhere. I'd color her gone if I were you.
--Sincerity is the first casualty of capitalism. John Burdett
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| parent )Like Paris Hilton is here to stay. Sarah is a political celebrity, first and foremost, and she's found a very profitable niche and didn't even have to sell a sex tape to acquire it. She'll give speeches to her fans, she'll make a lotta dough, and she'll be a HUGE headache for the GOP come 2012. At least until she's knocked out of the primaries, which I'm guessing will be later than some folks think.
On the other hand, if Obama has a successful first term -- economy seen as running in the right direction, no foreign nightmares (the bar is set low!) -- then the GOP will need to sacrifice a warm body that election as it is. Who knows, Sarah Barracuda will at least make it interesting. Right before erasing the '64 landslide from the record books.
Hey, if the GOP needs to hit rock bottom in order to get itself in order again? She's as good a way down as any other.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )somewhere, and I'm inclined to agree.
Political figures don't just quit for no reason. The Nixon comparisons are peculiarly insulting to Nixon; if there is one thing that can be said about the man, he had the tenacity of a dozen pit bulls.
Palin's garbled-even-for-her resignation speech was a pretty strong indicator that something's up. It had the air of a school report written an hour before the due date.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent ). . .certainly brings Hindenburg to mind.
*The* Hindenburg, anyway. One hopes that the brainless gasbag (Hi, Joe!) is full of helium for this voyage.
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| parent )Yeah, that's the ticket. The best way to wash away the Palin stain is to call Biden names. It's already a kind of obsession with Bird Dog.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )...breadth of his dumbassedness. Don't you get just a nervous to think that such an unsmart man with questionable judgment could be POTUS? I mean, I thought that was one of your major complaints about "Shrub".
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| parent )Having endured, and I get it, you endured, all those years of Shrub jokes and insults regarding the Prez's inteligence, and then, just when you thought it was safe to be a part of a political movement that didn't prize stupidity -- you got Sarah Palin!
I feel your pain.
But the attempt to turn the tables and pretend equivalence re Biden is just sad sport for those who no longer know how to play the game.
Zombie party. That's all it is.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )That one will undoubtedly be immortal until the 2010 election delivers the coup de grace.
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| parent )I thought I knew LA terrain but had never heard of the Blue Line that apparently runs from Mexico City direct to Hawaiian Gardens.
Biggest disappointment of the Obama campaign so far: keeping Clueless Joe under wraps. He is way funnier than Franken ever was. "To the moon, Barack! To the moon!"
--Sincerity is the first casualty of capitalism. John Burdett
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| parent )I'd love to hear it.
(Brains. Must. Eat. Brains. Brains. Must. Eat. Biden.)
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )i seem to remember a comment about cubans and champagne being brought out to celebrate norm colemans election.... he must be saving those for later.
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| parent )Whether Palin is around for not, Joe's going to keep cramming his foot in his mouth up to the hip. If she is still around, by 2012 people are going to wonder how Palin is a threat to the Republic after having Joe a heartbeat away from the Presidency for four years. Well, Andrew Sullivan won't be wondering, but digging around in medical waste for months at a time is bad for the judgment.
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| parent )Which doesn't tend to fly with the general populace. The idea that Biden will somehow make it easier for Palin to become president?
Deeply stupid. But then again, deeply stupid is her demographic.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Particularly when it has already become obvious that Obama supporters complaining about unqualified candidates on the Republican ticket were doing some serious tossing of stones in glass houses. Biden's presence on the ticket in 2012 is going to be a substantial liability for Obama, regardless of who the Republican candidate is and of how well Obama is doing in the polls.
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| parent )Again, only in the deepest darkest corners of Wingtardia is there even a glimmer of hope that Biden will be a drag on the ticket. That's stupid on the face of it, and you're not stupid. So stop pretending.
Also see comment below re Biden. The guy talks before he thinks, and has done so for a very long time. That's entirely different from being too stupid to get a hold on the issues of the day. Or, more simply, it's entirely different from being stupid.
Ignoring the difference both costs you an argument and casts a rather unflattering light. On yourself.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Biden was a Senator for for 36 years. He's a smart guy who too often lets his brain run ahead of his mouth. He's well qualified to be Vice President or President.
Palin couldn't even handle being Mayor of Wasilla.
There is no equivalence here.
--Guard, protect and cherish your land, for there is no afterlife for a place that started out as Heaven.
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| parent )people who think that they are well insulated from teh economic downturn -- because they have good jobs and viable careers -- are forgetting the intense political instability that can result from tough times on the general population.
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| parent )We had an orderly transition of power to the Democratic congress in 2006, and to BHO in 2008.
And your *still* Hitlering it up? Really?
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| parent )Just because these things are non-linear does not mean there is nothing to it.
Fox News is certainly laying the rhetorical groundwork. It may come to nothing, but the seed is there. These things take time, and they require the right set of circumstances.
--My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.' -Chesterton
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| parent )Dangerous times.
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )Seriously, what could go wrong?
In the inimitable words of Mr Bender "Bending" Rodriguez: This is going to be fun on a bun!
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)I've wanted to ask before, but never seem to catch your comments in time - just guessing at a relationship with ak47 etc
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| parent )... just my initials and DOB.
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| parent )The latest making the rounds: "First time in history that "Sarah Palin" and "pulled out early" have been used in the same sentence."
Sorry for dragging the site down! But it's a Palin thread, afterall!
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| parent )I was merely repeating something I heard. We all need to analyze these things here, Scott.
Plus, that's not really an attack on her family, is it?
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| parent )--the rationalizations for the despicable conduct by those who have attacked Governor Palin and her family, and;
About to be doubled and redoubled as we watch, apparently.
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| parent )OK you won this round!
But isn't that a little PC of you to be complaining about an off-color sex joke? I haven't asserted anything like a falsehood or attacked Gov. Palin, just repeated a joke.
But I agree it's borderline and we've discussed sex and ethnic jokes here before that raise issues. I think this is one of em.
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| parent )And Scott would have an entirely different reaction if it was about Michael Moore. Which goes without saying.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )That was established with the 'What's the difference between Palin's mouth and her vagina?' joke.
But these are on the crude side and I don't know where the line is where things go too far.
And I ain't usin Scott's sensibilities re: Michael Moore for calibration!
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| parent )...will be forthcoming for saving our cherished Republic from the likes of Palin...and family.
You can put your thanks in the tip jar over there....we liberals will be wealthy tonight if there's any justice in the world.
Traveller
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| parent )We on the left saved this country from Sarah Palin.
We took the ball out of her hands. That's something we should take pride in this 4th of July.
EDIT: And Scott, Traveller isn't rationalizing his attacks on the Palin family. He just straight up thinks they're trashy, a stain on the Republic and has said so fairly clearly and consistently.
I don't allow myself such thoughts, but I think Traveller's more honest than a lot of folk who've come up with other pretexts for dissin the Palin fam.
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| parent )While I often disagree with Brother Traveller--occasionally angrily so--I've never had cause to question his honesty. It goes without saying his integrity quotient is a few orders of magnitude higher than most of the online anti-Palin mob.
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| parent )-- Would she have decided she could do more for the country from out behind the VP's desk?
-- Would she have resigned if she'd been investigated as VP to save taxpayers' $s?
-- Would she have folded under the 'full court press' of national media scrutiny?
McCain's legacy from '08: a man in his 70s who thought he was going to live forever and didn't care.
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). . .watching both:
--the rationalizations for the despicable conduct by those who have attacked Governor Palin and her family, and;
--the hastily assembled reasons for why this shows she's unfit for higher office, which wouldn't be necessary if they really thought that she was gone for good.
Interesting.
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| parent )did you catch that press conference?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9YQMbQMn0&feature=player_embedded
If I'm not mistaken, Governor Palin just broke up with Alaska this afternoon. Complete with chin-chucking and sports metaphors. You'll be all right, Alaska! There are plenty of fish in the (Bering) sea!
--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
–Voltaire
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| parent )I wouldn't assume that.
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| parent )why she's unfit for higher office. It's self-apparent to sensible people who hear her speak for more than a minute at a time. If this is the last we see of Ms. Palin, I will regret it. I didn't really think Republicans would be crazy enough to nominate her in 2012, but hope springs eternal.
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| parent )The Palin/McCain ticket received 59,934,814 votes. I don't think it's 'self-apparent' when nearly 60 million adults can't recognize the fact.
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| parent )The McCain/Palin got that number of votes when running against a black urban intellectual. Had they been running against someone more like Bill Clinton, I suspect that the numbers would be significantly smaller. Having said that, I still think the numbers of votes received are scary and that it is reasonable to be worried about the rise of populist personality cults.
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| parent )Doesn't mean they thought she was fit for higher office.
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| parent )McCain is old. He is a cancer survivor. He's lead a rough life. Check out the actuarial tables, which you can probably do but I can't. I'm too dumb. Anybody that voted for McCain without seriously considering Palin's abilities is simply too partisan and stupid to be believed about much of anything having to do with politics. McCain had a better chance of dying in office during his first term than any other presidential candidate I can think of. Ever. (Dying of natural causes, that is. Obama is a smart guy, and I'm sure he's worried.)
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )It's probably true. But I'll stick by mine.
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| parent )...of voting for McCain/Palin, either. I just get all hepped up when I think about how close the last election actually was.
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )Wagster also qualified it as self-apparent to "sensible people."
Not that Obama voters would fare any better, but still..
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| parent )but if there's so few sensible people in the country wagster shouldn't necessarily hope Palin runs in '12.
My conclusion is that many 10s of millions hate the other side of the political aisle so much, they'll vote for anyone on their side, with or w/out a functioning brain.
Is that sensible? Probably not.
I'd like to believe that if I was a conservative I would've stayed home in Nov. '08 or made a protest vote of some kind.
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| parent )...oh, wait, you were serious? When it comes to ad homenim attacks on public officials you seem to lead the pack around here (e.g. Gore, Carter, Reed, etc.)
Glass houses, rocks, etc....
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| parent )As for the 2nd is there supposed to be some tension between someone being unfit for office yet still in the political arena?
That was pretty much the def. of Palin before today and I'm not confident enough in my prognostications to say she's done with.
But i wouldn't say it's looking good for '12.
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| parent )or blindingly obvious?
We report, you decide.
--"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias
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| parent )a serious one, i don't know the answer:
wasn't the alaksa governorshp a pretty low impact job -- like governor of texas or something? wasn't it like a 90 day legislative session?
i mean, i thought it the mayour of poughkeepsie had a harder job than alaska gorvernor.
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)http://www.palin-bachmann-2012.com/
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)PALIN (D-AK) RESIGNS
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)Palin decided that Mark Sanford could really use a break from the spotlight for awhile.
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)just going Galt.
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)Maybe she's just going Galt.
Wins thread
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| parent )Don't forget that, kids!
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| parent )Sarah Palin understands that she is more qualified, and certainly more comfortable, as a celebrity than as a politician, or, heaven forbid, someone forced to govern. Thanks to John McCain, she's now a celebrity, and free to enjoy all the perks, many of them financial, that come with the designation.
Sarah Barracuda doesn't want to waste time studying issues and learning how to govern. She just wants to be famous.
And now she is.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)Resigns on a Friday before a holiday weekend?
Mentions 'some will question the timing'?
Claims she is doing it to save taxpayers millions of $ in this 'new' era of 'political blood sport'?
$5,000 says something big comes out in July.
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| parent )I'd bet on it. No politician ever really wants to spend time with their family.
I just wonder about resigning before the scandal broke. Maybe she hopes to suppress it? Maybe someone even, Citizen Kane-style, made her a deal?
It's the internet age, and I expect we will find out.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )geez, another kid?
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| parent )Though she didn't seem at all pleased during the press conference.
Could that really be her way of breezing on to something better and brighter?
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| parent )This is her moment, and her moment to rake in a whole lotta cash. Sitting in the governor's office ran counter to that larger ambition. To be rich.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)Sure. But she could have cashed in on that and still be Governor. A show on Fox? She can't speak extemporaneously in a cogent way... for whatever other faults they have, Beck and O'Reilly can. Corporate perch? Don't see her there. Lobbyist? She ain't moving to Washington.
I'm starting to accept the simplest explanation. She's relatively new to the big leagues and has discovered that she doesn't like them. There's a world of difference between being a small-town mayor and Governor of Alaska (which is essentially being a big-town mayor) and being a potential Presidential candidate under constant scrutiny of the national media.
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| parent )the pressure of protecting the US from a hostile Russia finally got to her?
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)the Alaskan Independence Party is going to lead a secession from the union at the end of the month and Sarah is preparing to lead them?
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)...say she's 'out of politics for good.'
No argument here. And one may use at least two definitions of the word 'good.'
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)I'm as sick of people talking about this nonentity as I am of the woman herself.
--Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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| parent )She almost became VP. She can't put together a mildly coherent 6 minute resignation statement. It's fascinating.
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| parent )you could deduce that she might have gone to school in the US or the UK.
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| parent )She sounded fed up with local and national media/prosecutorial scrutiny.
Perhaps she's used to being the belle of the ball whom everybody loves and her skin is just too thin to keep this up for long.
The phrase that stuck in my mind from her statement was something like 'some will question the timing of this'.
That suggested to me there's some bad stuff coming down the pike that she doesn't want to defend now or ever.
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| parent )I just watched it. Per usual very defensive and incoherent.
I'll miss ya, Sarah!
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)and no more. The intonation reminded me of Bush the lesser.
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| parent )...but I could only watch a third of this tripe before I wanted to wretch...
Ahem.
Good riddance to bad trash.
Traveller
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| parent )But I wonder if they taught her anything about QUITTING.
She quit!
Palin 2012: She might finish her term this time if she feels like it!
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| parent )Via TPM
Well, you can't argue with the "it is good" part! But still, it's weird. Unless there is some unpleasant offal about to hit the fan re ethics or such, it's hard to see where being "ex-Governor" is going to be much of an advantage for Ms. Palin in any further runs at office, vs. being a sitting official.
Of course, if she gets a media job, say a gig on Fox Noise so as to be able to spout wingnut boilerplate for the next three years, maybe "private" employment would be the better opportunity. You betcha!
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)Independence from Sarah Palin weekend.
Resigning was a truly patriotic thing for her to do.
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--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )...Has someone already posed the question that there might be a Sanford type...she's wild in bed...kind of story about to break?
What joy to see her Hotness truly tested! (Nah, she was a Starfish...lol, hee, hee, hee)
The paternity, (or even maternity) of Trig is in question. (With proofs)
The more prosaic truth is that she got bored...or she found that Governing is in fact hard work, of which, she did now want any part.
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)if a second red Naughty Monkey Double Dare pump is gonna drop next week, a la Sanford. No affair, but maybe something else? Just a gut feeling here, but having the conference on Friday afternoon before independence day smells funny to me...
Not that there's a steady drip of information about this yet.
edit - OK, my guess is she ends up under indictment next week. Fraud, corruption, something like that. Just a guess.
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)The first was saying "yes" to McCain. If she's doing this for a run in 2012, I predict she'll get quashed, and I might the join the none-too-small band conservatives who will do some recreational quashing.
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)I'd like to know if she's made any trips to Argentina lately.
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)Apparently they're floating a truly unique excuse. That Sarah feels just awful about all the taxpayer's money that is being wasted investigating her. So she's going to resign. To save the taxpayers some money. And, I'm assuming, stop all those pesky investigations.
Okay.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)Here's one nugget:
Setting aside the idea that she is any way a 'good point guard' -- cuz in her case what would we have, a point guard who doesn't pass and can't shoot -- the Blame The Media defense for quitting her day job seems awful, I dunno, lacking in fortitude. It might gin up some support among the folks who already think of her as Joan of Arctic Circle, but it's not going to persuade those who find her unconvincing.
Josh Marshall wonders if all the recent ethics stuff contains something bigger than expected. We'll see, I guess.
But again, bleating that the NY Times made her quit her job isn't exactly a solid path to the White House.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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)If she's planning on running for the nomination.
Who blabbed?
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)I misread. I didn't realize she announced at a press conference, attended by staffers, held at her home. I thought she had announced it privately and someone passed the news along.
Still odd.
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| parent )And didn't even trot out Trig as an excuse. I don't get it.
I now think she's got a Clear Channel contract in her hip pocket and will be on the radio shortly.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )I'm listening to it now. My god, even when she's reading she still blabbers. What a mess.
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