Meg Whitman, Job Creator

Would-be Republican governor of California Meg Whitman, a 1% kind of gal, and hence in GOP parlance a rich person job creator, will promote growth in HP by axing 27,000 jobs. She will focus on early retirements, which means the people who make the most money and have the most experience, the people who might still remember the HP way, will get the axe first. And of course, these older employees are more likely to be based in "high cost" locations, such as the US and Europe.

 

HP engineering, whatever is left of it, had already been wrecked by would-be Republican senator Carly Fiorina years ago, with the same theory. It didn't help HP back then and I don't see how the same formula will help HP now. Profits will of course rise in the short term, but HP's innovation pipeline is as dry as an Arizona desert.

 

None of this is a surprise. Whitman ran eBay. She knows squat about hardware and has never provided services and software to businesses. Nor has anybody at HP learned anything from Apple. The cuts will drag on for two years. This means, if you have ever lived through one of these things, that people will be focused on how to keep their job, not how to do it. Everybody is a potential enemy. Information will not flow freely, morale will be low, trust lower, and people who can find something better (and thus likely to be of value) will walk away on their own. Somehow, in the middle of this climate, HP is supposed to find a way to excellence.

 

The problem here is ideology. Zero-sum thinking, lack of imagination, and an even bigger lack of empathy. Meg is worth $1.3 billion. She would need a great deal of effort to imagine herself in the position she is putting her workforce in, but given her ideology, that's the last thing she would do. Whitman, Fiorina, Romney. The formula is always the same. Screw the little guy. If that doesn't work, do it again, harder, ad nauseam.

 

And when that gets old, run for high office.

 

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Our undoing

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TXG1112's picture

I have long thought that this would be the undoing of our economy. Not the HP layoffs specifically, but the mad rush to eliminate all the expensive white collar middle class jobs. Even without the financial crisis, there has been a significant erosion of these positions through outsourcing and off shoring. These jobs are mostly in the top 10% and strike me as making up a significant amount of consumer spending as they have disposable income that the 90% for the most part does not. 

 

The recession is going to be much longer and deeper because of this. I suspect that eventually it will even out as the global labor market becomes more uniform. Once all the smart technical folks all live in expensive global cities the cost of intellectual labor will largely be the same around the world. It's already getting harder to staff technical positions in cheap areas. Anyone skilled enough to be worth hiring doesn't want to live there and has other options.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

Really sad

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HankP's picture

when I was young, HP really stood for something - quality engineering and best of class products in just about every area they were involved in. Not any more. I refuse to buy any HP or Compaq equipment any more, too many bad experiences.

I blame it all on the Internet

Agreed.

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We have a lot of HP desktops at work, and they're all crap. (Although, in fairness, our IT department is still running WinXP.) I used to have good luck at home with HP inkjets, but the last one has been a real disappointment. Looks like the next printer here will be a Canon...

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

Funny you should say that

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HankP's picture

I have a Canon S600 that's 10 years old, and it still performs flawlessly. It also has separate ink tanks (relatively rare at the time) so it's relatively economical. It also has ridiculously inexpensive ink cartridges ($5 for 4 cartridges). Probably the second best printer I ever bought after the Laserjet IIp, which lasted me about 15 years.

I blame it all on the Internet

Way back when they

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spun off Agilent, I thought it was sad to give up the most distinguished name in EE lab equipment,  but now it's clear that it was good thing to avoid having that part of their line go down with the rest of the HP brand. 

 

Have to say though that my HP laptop and desktop are both OK except that they came loaded with crapware that's hard to disable.  I complained about it to an ex-student that works there and he said their profit is in the crapware so it's there to stay.

It's not that hard to clean up

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HankP's picture

hell, Microsoft will do it for $99.

 

Seriously, though, if it's a problem email me and I'll send you instructions.

I blame it all on the Internet

Appreciate the offer

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and the link to Microsoft's new business plan.  It's mostly under control now.   It would be enough to make me switch to Apple except that one particularly nasty craplet I'm dealing with is a pop-up asking me to do an Apple Update that's fronty, has an "I agree" to terms of use button,  but lacks an X out box or a cancel button.

 

"Focus on early retirements"

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RIFs are always bad for morale,  but if you've got to do it,  incentivizing early retirement is the most humane way, and least damaging to morale.

Both may be true,

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but cutting out the most experienced part of your engineering and design staff is not smart long-term thinking.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

You mean stodgy, hidebound old timers?

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Someone here called me that after I refused to change over to PowerPoint and handheld clickers.  And perhaps coincidentally I just got offered (at age 50) early retirement with a half-year's salary incentive.  The fine print called it a "voluntary separation package" and said that the retirement part was my own problem.  Unfortunately  it's 15 years until any checks come in.

 

Seriously, it depends on what type of design work it is, but I'd say the combination of increasing experience and decreasing brain cells leads to a peak around 45-55 for things like aircraft and power plants but probably 35-45 for software and cool gadgets.

Yeah...

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Steve Jobs was really losing his touch there at 56.

 

I'm not 50 yet but getting close, and I adopt new technology all the time, even new programming languages. I don't really see a strong age-performance relationship. I notice good programmers are few at any age. Young guys make young guy mistakes, old guys make old guy mistakes. But good coders are good pretty consistently for decades, and bad ones are pretty consistent too.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

What were we talking about...

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..oh now I remember....yeah, glad to hear you're still going strong, MA.

 

On coding:  found a 1000-1200 line piece of code recently, works well and it looks like the guy that did it was halfway competent.  All the evidence is that I did it, it's on my private drive,  and for a calculation I remember needing.  But zero recollection of having written it.

Memories lost you say

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brutusettu's picture

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"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Read an article

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in The Atlantic....or maybe it was Harper's....about a doctor who'd done autopsies on football players.  Typically a 1/4" of scar tissue on the front part of the brain.

 

They say an elephant never forgets

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HankP's picture

but what does he have to remember?

I blame it all on the Internet

"Remember me, Mr. Schneider? Kenya, 1947.

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If you're going to shoot at an elephant, Mr. Schneider, you better be prepared to finish the job."

 

[Scroll up, above the horoscope. No idea how to plug in the right coords for the news viewer.]

M Aurelius was probably right.

Newspapers

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HankP's picture

how quaint.

I blame it all on the Internet

Ha!

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It's not easy for me to understand my uncommented LISP code from 20 years ago. I am often amazed I could possibly have written it, even though I know I did. If I spend a few hours with it though, it does start coming back. But the initial inspection can certainly be a shock. I keep going, "man, was I smart". I wasn't really, though. Some of it is really good, but I have caught old mistakes as well.

 

It only looks smart because I am looking at hundreds of hours of effort in just a few files, hitting me all at once. I could see where older coders would get discouraged, but they shouldn't. It's just an illusion caused by the compression of time.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Good thing you didn't program in APL nt

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HankP's picture

.

I blame it all on the Internet

Actually, I have...

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...though briefly. We had some terminals with APL symbol keyboards at school.

 

I wrote some very short programs and I have no idea where they went. It's not inconceivable that there is a listing somewhere deep in my (paper) files. If so, am 100% confident I will not be able to understand those at all, even if I look at them for hours. I was never fluent. It was fun to code in something that looked like it came from another planet though...

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

It damages morale anyway.

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The reason is that the RIFfing is usually part of a restructuring where new roles are shipped overseas. Also, the leavers need to train their replacements, so they are basically put in the position where they have to hand over the gun that will be used to shoot them. Amazingly, this doesn't always work very well, so the resources taking over the role usually ignore one or more key points the old talent simply forgot to tell them about.

 

The company basically bleeds know-how, and becomes less competitive.

 

Another problem with these situations is that the survivors are usually the most competent... at surviving. You end up with a bunch of politicians. The engineers get shafted easily.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Cuts over two years

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Won't the downsides in morale be offset by increased productivity by people who don't want a pink slip in this economy? 

 

In general, productivity goes up even faster when the labor market is tight, so I'm not sure how it would be different at HP. 

 

I'm not disputing the larger point that this is just slash and burn capitalism that no one associated with should be praised for being a job creator. 

No

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People who want to avoid a pink slip spend time networking, sucking up to the boss (or if it looks like the boss is going to get it, to somebody else), figuring out who is in and who is out, playing Kremlinology every time a company wide email is sent (who is mentioned positively, who in passing, who is ignored). If they run a project or product, they will go into overdrive defending its relevance. It's usually not a pretty spectacle, and its definitely not more productive.

 

This is what bad for morale means. It doesn't just mean that people aren't peppy.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

What I've seen

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HankP's picture

is that focus goes almost entirely into getting a new job. Existing work tends to go to the minimum level required to stay employed.

I blame it all on the Internet

Yeah, that too...

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Even people who won't be let go start looking. Few can count on staying unless management is very transparent. In HP I doubt very much that's the case, since the culture is by all accounts already quite damaged.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Yes

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In a former life I worked for a company that was bought by WorldCom (ha!) and we all knew the axe was coming sooner or later.  Everything ground to a halt, the oldsters swapped tales of prior layoffs, and everyone was looking for another job.  In any case, HP seems like a zombie company or at least on life support.  Has been for years.

MA, everything you said here is exactly...

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...what I've seen from DOD and DOS civilians in the last 10 years.  They have secure jobs and are (IMHO) over-compensated for what they produce.  I'm not saying your observations are wrong but I am saying I'm observing the same thing with different inputs.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Because...

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...it's something that happens when performance is decoupled from rewards (and not just money). Those organizations are politically driven at the top, so I am not surprised at all.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

An Untouchable, (a Dalit), A Woman, a Job Creator...

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Snip

 

Born into a low-caste Dalit family, she was bullied at school, forced into marriage at the age of 12, fought social pressures to leave her husband, before she tried to take her own life.

Today, she is a multi-millionaire.

 

Snip

Her reputation led to her being asked to take over the running of a metal engineering company, Kamani Tubes, which was in massive debt.

By restructuring the company, she turned things around.

"I wanted to give justice to the people who were working there. I had to save the company. I could relate to the staff who needed to put food on the table for their family," she says of her motivations at the time.

Now, Kamani Tubes is a growing business, worth more than $100m.

Kalpana employs hundreds of people, from all backgrounds and castes. She has met prominent businessmen such as Ratan Tata and Mukesh Ambani, and in 2006 won a prestigious award for her entrepreneurial spirit.

Kalpana regularly visits her home village and does charity work to help those in her community.

As a Dalit and a woman, her story is all the more remarkable in a country where so few CEOs are from such a background.

 

Full BBC story here:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-18186908

 

We don't do honor to the right people in America...so what do we expect in return?

 

Best Wishes, Traveller


A major "tell" here, Trav

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Jay C's picture

"I wanted to give justice to the people who were working there. I had to save the company. I could relate to the staff who needed to put food on the table for their family,"

 

 

These concerns obviously point to this NOT being a story about our own home-grown "job creators"??

Nice catch, Traveller.

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mmghosh's picture

Speaking of VERY Good People...Joe Biden...(Not Meg Whitman)

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WASHINGTON -- Speaking to the families of dead soldiers, Vice President Joe Biden on Friday delivered an emotional retelling of his own family tragedy, the death of his wife and daughter in a car crash 40 years ago, saying the experience helped him understand why people commit suicide.

Biden said the shock and pain of the deaths in 1972, shortly after he was first elected to the Senate, was a “black hole you feel in your chest, like you're being sucked back into it.”

“It was the first time in my career, my life, I realized someone could go out – and I probably shouldn't say this with the press here, but – no, but it's more important. You're more important. For the first time in my life I understood how someone could consciously decide to commit suicide,” Biden said.  “Not because they were deranged, not because they were nuts; because they'd been to the top of the mountain and they just knew in their heart they'd never get there again, that it was never going to be that way ever again. That's how an awful lot of you feel.”

Biden addressed a group associated with the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors, a national nonprofit group that supports friends and families of service members killed in action.

Biden has previously spoken about the accident, although he rarely describes the emotional aftermath in such detail. He described how he heard the news while in Washington.

“I was down in Washington hiring my staff, and I got a phone call saying that my family had been in an accident. And just like you guys know by the tone of a phone call – you just knew, didn't you? You knew when they walked up the path. You knew when the call came. You knew. You just felt it in your bones something bad happened,” Biden said.

“And I knew. I don't know how I knew. But the call said my wife was dead, my daughter was dead, and I wasn't sure how my sons were going to make it. They were Christmas shopping, and a tractor-trailer broadsided them and in one instant killed two of them and – well.”

Biden, a practicing Roman Catholic, said he was so angry he cried out in the Capitol. “I remember being in the Rotunda, walking through to get to the plane to get home, to get to identify the – anyway. But I remember looking up and saying, ‘God!’ It was if I was talking to God myself: ‘You can't be good! How can you be good?’”

Biden said he was pulled out of his grief with the help of his mother, his sister and, eventually, his second wife, Jill Biden, whom he married five years later. “This woman literally saved my life,” he said.

“There will come a day, I promise you, and your parents as well, when the thought of your son or daughter or your husband or wife brings a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eye. It will happen,” he said. “My prayer for you is that day will come sooner or later. But the only thing I have more experience than you in is this: I'm telling you it will come.”

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

Holy cow

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that's some compelling stuff.  I remember when both sides mocked Biden for doing Sunday shows so much, babbling during confirmation hearings and, well, running for President himself.  The guy has has eloquence, not to mention heart.


I don't want to be partisan and always take the same side.  But I want my leaders to sound like Biden, not spout platitudes and patriotic jingo.  I see Jimmy Carter and Madeleine Albright on the Daily Show, and I'm reasured that greater minds then my own were serving us.  I see Condoleeza Rice and Andrew Card, and I'm thinking who put these hacks in charge of anything.  And this was before any of them said anything ideological.


To be fair, I found Coburn impressive.  Certainly the most honest hardcore conservative in the Senat..  Colin Powell is an amazingly accomplished, thoughtful guy who chose exactly the wrong moment to be a good soldier.  Even McCain knows how to be a decent guy when he's not letting his spite or ambition get in the way.


But the character, intellect and personality chasm between the parties is ridiculously large, at least at the national level.

I mourn the passing of reserve as a quality to be admired.

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Seems like every moment has to be an oprah moment these days and reserve is treated like an illness to be cured.

Reserve can preserve honor and privacy.

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Those are its two main functions. 

 

But the idea of losing honor, and indeed having honor itself, is mostly a relic. For me it's hard to imagine today what importance and meaning people placed on one's honor in the past. It's something once lost that cannot be regained? What is it again? Honor is mostly an anachronism, and so is preserving it.

 

Privacy is becoming more and mroe like honor. Future adults will likely find it hard to imagine what people today think we are losing in losing our privacy. It's something that once lost cannot be regained? What was so important about it again? Preserving privacy will likely also become an anachronism.

 

If this reading of trends is accurate, then reserve doesn't serve as much of a purpose as it used to, and its reduction is a function of a reduced importance for honor and privacy.  

Call it "reputation" instead of "honor"

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HankP's picture

and your point fails. Of course reputation is important and once lost cannot always be regained.

 

Emotional reserve, and whether it's considered admirable or not, is in our society a personal preference. Despite the efforts of marketers and TV producers, it's more popular than you think. Same goes for privacy.

I blame it all on the Internet

It has certainly been linked to honour and it certainly

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helps preserve privacy. It is partly manners - not burdening others with your emotions, recognising that they have theirs even if they don't shout them from the rooftops. It is tied to pride and to the deliberative frame of mind. A personal preference as well as a cultural one.


 


And culture of course influences what one should be reserved about and about what constitutes a slight to your honour. Many of those cultural norms are abhorent to me but are also often pretty logical in their context (many are not). We are lucky to live in such abundance that we can cast them off.


 


But the purpose of honour is as a currency. In a society where most of your transactions are with people you personally know and probably will for the rest of your life honour is a much more valuable currency than a coin or two.  In a society where you plough your neighbours field and he winters your oxen on his fallow you would quickly starve without it.

+1.

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mmghosh's picture

+2...What Manish Said...Doubled and Cubed...nt

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traveller

Honor killings? There's a pathological side to honor as well. -n

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.

M Aurelius was probably right.

I'd rather have credibility

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Honor has some baggage I don't like. Honor has been far too close a cousin to class, hypocrisy, despotism, pride, and murder (in the form of "honor killings", duels, and even wars).

 

Credibility keeps the important parts of honor, but without the baggage. The older term "word", is perhaps preferable if you want to be old fashioned.

 

I'd rather hear that a man's word is good, or that he is trustworthy (another good word) than to hear that a man is "honorable". They should be the same thing, but they are not.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

I don't agree at all.

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Reserve is important, but empathy more so.

 

Oprah was not usually about empathy, but about exposure. The audience gets to feel good about themselves by seeing how other people have worse problems. The people with the problems fed their vanity by exposing their issues. You are right to condemn the "oprahness" of the times.

 

Biden's goal here was different; empathy. He was not exposing his story for others to feel sorry for him at all. He was exposing it to a particular audience that had suffered loss, in order to let them know that he really understood them, that he had been there, and that it would get better.

 

He used his story to be credible to people who probably, and rightly, feel that those who have not suffered equivalent losses get it, and double for politicians. Biden needed to be credible to these people. He had no other way to do that.

 

Reserve is a good value, but not more important than showing empathy and understanding.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Biden's speech - here's the video.

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Certainly one of his finest, most human moments.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, Refuses $75M...

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Apple Inc. Chief Executive Tim Cook is saying "no thanks" to stock dividends potentially worth $75 million.

The company said in a regulatory filing that Cook had volunteered to exempt himself from a new compensation program under which Apple employees could collect a dividend on stock grants that have not yet vested.

The unusual move comes as boards of major companies have faced heightened scrutiny for approving excessive compensation for their CEOs.

After a year that has seen Apple's reputation tested by controversy over the way its Chinese production partners treated low-paid workers, observers said Cook might have seen an opportunity to bolster the company's image as a socially responsible and progressive force.

~~~~

 

On the other hand, maybe this is how responsible CEO's should behave....will the Wall Street Journal report this widely? Will the MSM hold Mr. Cook up as an example to be emulated?

 

Fat chance....America is corrupt to the core (I note that I may be in a bad move because I saw the Avengers tonight instead of the The Dictator which had to have been better...though Scarlett remains amazing as always, and this is the first Hulk that was any good at all...{though America does have a rot in its soul})

 

Traveller

I think the Apple brand is in some trouble.

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The revelations about Qualcomm, and about what a soulless jerk Steve Jobs was, and the revelations about Apple spying on its customers (not that they care) on top of the fact that the company lost its visionary leader and the rest of the tech world has now fully caught up with the touch-screen revolution...the company's formerly angelic image has been tarnished somewhat (so has Google's), and more importantly the innovation envelope has been stretched about as far as it can go in the iPhone/iPad direction.

 

Point being, there are some major question marks in Apple's future. Is the company out of ideas? Is it just another evil corporate behemoth now (of course it is)? Most importantly, what's the next big wave of innovation?

 

It was supposed to be Apple TV. In fact we were all supposed to be watching TV on the internet now, 100% a la carte, fully customizable, personal schedules of TV, movies, etc. etc. anytime & anywhere we want. We pay only for what we actually want to watch. That hasn't happened yet because two major players (telecom cable providers, and Hollywood) stand to lose billions in licensing & subscription deals that become worthless the minute everyone dumps cable TV to watch stuff on the internet (and telecom companies get stuck providing the bandwidth at 1/3rd of the revenue). They aren't going to let that happen. Even mighty Apple hasn't been able to square this circle so far. 

M Aurelius was probably right.

Yes and no...

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Apple may be in trouble. It's hard to be sure but there are signs Cook is corporatizing it. More MBA and operations types are taking on key roles, such as the head of retail. I also have no idea how a guy like Cook can keep the product pipeline going once the Jobs stuff runs out, probably by year end. He has no insight, much less Job's insight.

 

Steve was a jerk but soulless? That's insane. He had a soul, for sure. The soul of an egocentric, brilliant artist, but a soul if there ever was one. What he probably lacked was mercy, but that's a totally different problem.

 

I am more comfortable with Apple's handling of privacy than Google's or Facebook's. That's not saying much, but those are the benchmarks today. My main concern for Apple is that it lost its creative driver. I don't see how this can play out well for long. The only saving grace is that everybody else is very, very stupid. HP, Sony, and Dell are unbelievably clueless. Samsung is just copying Apple.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

He had to do that...

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...so it would not look like the dividend was a self-raise.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

8 months

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Bird Dog's picture

The length of her time as CEO. The month before she started, HP paid $10.2 billion for a British software firm that has dragged down earnings and that HP was unprepared to absorb. Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer to give a person a little more time before trotting out storylines about the evil Republican stepping on the little guy. For left-wingers, I guess that timeline is 8 months.

 

 

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Not so...

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HP's vastly overpriced purchase of Autonomy was finalized on Meg's watch, she agreed with the board to complete the purchase. No money had changed hands before then.

 

If you'd ever been in a merger, you would know that there is a substantial time lag between the letter of intent and the actual purchase.

 

HP could have walked away from the deal (at at probable cost of $500 million, less than what they wasted on Palm). At the same time, Meg also chose to fire all the former staff of Palm, the people who developed the well-reviewed WebOS mobile operating system. Palm had no muscle, but had a good product. HP gave it four months and axed it. Meg was still in time to rescue it, but she did not.

 

This is a company that gets 90% of its revenue from hardware, where they have the #1 market share, and they decided they want to be a software company, where they have no expertise at all either in consumer or enterprise. Meg hasn't changed that absurd mandate, she is continuing on the same line.

 

So eight months is plenty, if you've been at all following HP.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

So what is she 'sposed to say?

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Bird Dog's picture

"After two weeks on the job, I've been here long to know that this merger shouldn't go ahead"?

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Absolutely

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She was on the board, so she should have had a formed opinion. She didn't parachute in from outer space. In fact, as a member of the board she was one of the people who approved the purchase in the first place, the purchase you want to pretend she has no responsibility for.

 

Remember Leo Apotheker was fired precisely because the merger was so widely panned and because he cancelled the WebOS TouchPad tablet just weeks after having introduced it. The board was in disarray, and being called the worst board in the country in the financial press. Shareholders were furious, the stock falling. Given that scenario, Meg could have done anything she wanted to, but all she did was stay the course.

 

Quit while you are behind BD, I can go all day like this. HP is indefensible on so many levels, it's ridiculous.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Most worrying to me

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is the recent merger of the printer and laptop divisions complete with clean-out of senior printer managers. That puts the genii from Digital and Compaq in the wheelhouse. 

Yeah I forgot about that one.

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Another genius move. Just about the only thing they were still good at was printers, though I've been recommending Samsung or Ricoh for about a year now.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Their business printers are still good

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HankP's picture

the consumer printers, well, the less said the better.

I blame it all on the Internet

HP consumer printers?

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Jay C's picture

What more, really, do you need to say about them other than "They Suck"?

 

And I've owned HP printers for over 15 years, but no more: their quality has gone downhill in a death-spiral matched only by the lameness of their customer "support".

That march started about the time they

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got out of the $50 printer segment. Metal chasis replaced with plastic, complete replaceable print heads replaced by ink tanks and so on. Customer support doesn't bother me. Frankly, I don't see why most consumer tech companues should have to provide it. RTFM and all that.

I am losing faith in the business printers too.

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If you look at some of the competition, HP stuff is just not leading any more. In some points it's barely up to par.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

500-fold increase in Company A,

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Bird Dog's picture

8% decrease in Company B. Like I said, 8 months is a short time to be casting judgment. Yes, she has control over what her employees can do or not do, but she can't compel consumers to buy more laptops, which is why the Obama-Whitman analolgy is a failed one. Police power she has not.

 

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Obama has police powers over Republicans in Congress?

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Why aren't they all in jail?

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

No. Over you and me

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Bird Dog's picture

Such as being compelled to buy health insurance.

Nice diversion.

 

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Lest we forget to remember (as far as the compel goes)

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"she can't compel consumers to buy more laptops, which is why the Obama-Whitman...."

The POTUS signs laws, the US Congress passes bills. Obama couldn't exactly compel states and local governments not to cut budgets and replace those cuts with less services or the temporary federal aid (not in the Age of Beck et al. back then, socialist was gonna slash military spending and let [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhH2q6h7_Ow]Iran get the bomb**[/url], be soft on terror etc).

Even Hermes Conrad knows there's a only a technical difference between line-item deductions, credits, and teh compelling to buy the endangered spotted laptop.

Why can I only take the standard deduction and not take any itemized deductions too? This is [i]tyranny[/i], this is madness!!?!

**[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/may/21/john-mccain/mccain-twists-obamas-words/]Truly infallible newspaper blog rates "pants on fire" lie, simply as "false" even back in '08[/url]

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If Meg* bungles HP's employees and future consumers over while being in the rarefied multi-hundred-millionaire club, one might glean a possible pattern of behavior if she becomes rarefied .
*she was on the board that approved the purchase of that British software company. Walking away for a fee was appeared to be an option, sunk cost and such.

Plus what MA put up above (#281272)

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Company A is eBay I assume?

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She was handed a fast-growing dot com company with first mover advantage and a high growth rate. She didn't start the company, and she was brought in a few months before the IPO, so eBay was swiming in cash. It would have taken exceptionally bad leadership to sink a company flush with cash, a revenue stream, and a solid business model. Still, she tried. in 2005 she overpaid for Skype (3.1 billion), eventually taking a $1.4 billion writedown on it, half of the deal's value. Worse, eBay found out after Whitman bailed that she did not even buy key Skype technology, which was owned by a company called Joltid.

 

Oh, and by the way, why did Meg leave eBay in 2008? Besides the failed Skype deal and flattening revenue, maybe it had something to do with the stock losing 80% of its value in the previous four years under her watch?

 

Your analogy is a major fail. Obama can't compell Americans to do much at all. And he certainly couldn't do it within the first few weeks of his term while your party was out wishing for him to fail and doing everything possible to make it happen. The health care mandate required the approval of Congress, which is why it took over a year to do, and it may yet still be undone by the Supreme Court.

 

Whitman's record is more than relevant today because she is also a Bain alumnus. She halved sales at FTD.com florists in two years, as CEO. And she is also ethically challenged, getting a seat on Goldman's board after choosing Goldman for the eBay IPO.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Fey

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The right didn't give Obama 8 minutes. Despite the circumstance of an economic catastrophe unprecedented since the 1930's, steadfastly refusing to help mitigate same and actively working to exploit the situation for their own political gain.

 

So spare me.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

Apples-oranges

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Bird Dog's picture

nt

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Republican-Democrat -nt-

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;)

You are right...

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It takes longer for a president to right a country than for a CEO to right a company. A CEO has more authority and a company is much smaller.

 

So it's apples and oranges, but not in the way you meant it.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.