Flame At The Top Of The World: Open Thread


I have to admit--this is rather impressive. I wish China would get their human rights act together, because they can clearly do some remarkable things and it would be nice to be able to cheer for them to do more without misgivings.

Yeah, open thread. You know what to do.
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Why is John McCain legitimizing Hamas? (#93450)
by Jordan

Here are the words of a man who wants to be President of the United States.

“It's very obvious to everyone that Senator Obama shares nothing of the values or goals of Hamas, which is a terrorist organization,” McCain said. “But it's also fact that a spokesperson from Hamas said that he approves of Obama's candidacy. I think that's of interest to the American people.”

Leaving aside how sleazy this attempt to "terrorist-bait" Obama while pretending to do the opposite, think about the implications of that last sentence. Here's John McCain, presumptive nominee for President, announcing in a public forum that the policies and preferences of Hamas are "of interest to the American people." Since when did this terror organization, bent on the violent destruction of Israel, become a legitimate and respected entity whose opinions American voters should consider when voting in national elections? McCain isn't being facetious at all: he thinks we should weigh the preferences of Hamas equally with other critical issues in this election year. What a vote of confidence for Hamas! What a shot in the arm for their effort to claim legitimacy internationally! I think maybe they're backing the wrong candidate: John McCain is giving them all the diplomatic support they need.

My respect for McCain, based on his years of service and his obvious courage and conviction, is severely strained by this kind of thing. Do we need another walking diplomatic disaster as President, another ultrapartisan so focused on defeating political rivals that he takes his eye off the big strategic picture?

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH

I agree with Sen McCain on this issue. (#93481)
by mmghosh

The views of America's friends may not count for much, but the views of America's enemies certainly should be a factor in the thinking of voters.

Whatever you might think to the contrary, Sen Obama is indeed seen as "our person" by many throughout the 3rd world.

Perhaps you should point out that, more so than Hamas, he is seen as a advantage by almost all the moderates/centrists in the third world, rather than Mr McCain who is viewed as much more as a hawk - and thereby as a potential destabiliser.

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Manish Ghosh

I also agree with Senator McCain. (#93487)
by Punditus Maximus

Further, I agree that Hamas has absolutely no interests whatsoever in common with the US, and that Israel has absolutely no divergences whatsoever from US interests.

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It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.

PM, I am constantly amazed at your consistent ability to frame (#93489)
by mmghosh

your arguments within the precise limits of an aphorism, whether I agree with them or not. Bernard and Harley similarly.

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Manish Ghosh

Why? (#93474)
by Harley

He's old, he's tired, and he's trying so hard to be so many different people to so many different and warring groups that he forgot who he was in the first place. If in fact he ever knew.

It's like the old saying, "We are who we pretend to be so we'd best be careful how we pretend."

Senator McCain may have pretended to be a raving nutter one time too many.

How time flies by (#93366)
by Sulla

Last night as I was making my way through the concourse of the Joe Louis Arena (Go Wings!) I ran into a young Marine in his dress deltas. I shook his hand, thanked him for his service, and asked if he wanted a beer. He declined and asked if I was ever in and I told him I was from 90-94. "Whoa", was his response accompanied by a low whistle, "that's old Corps, I think my First Sergeant was in back then". I laughed and asked him what his future plans were. He said he was enrolled in Schoolcraft College and I told him I did two years of community college before I transferred to Michigan. I wished him luck with his studies and we parted ways.

On my way back to my seat the "old Corps" line was stuck in my head. It didn't seem to fit because to me old Corps was the Vietnam guys. But the math is correct, it has been 14 years since I got out, and 18 since I first joined. Had I stayed in I'd be 2 years away from retirement, which in all likelihood would mean I'd be a First Sergeant or a Sergeant Major, like the young Marine said. That also means in two years it will be my 20th high school reunion. It does not seem like 20 years, it seems like 5, its all gone by so fast. Obviously my perception of time is a little skewed and last night I had to reconcile with the reality that it has in fact been almost 20 years since I joined the military after graduating high school, confirming the old adage, at least in my case, of how it all flies by.

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"I can no more disown him [Reverend Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community"- Senator Barack Obama, March 18, 2008

Yeah. (#93447)
by Bernard Guerrero

I find it disturbing that I'm about as far removed from when I joined the Guard as the old-timers in the unit at that time were removed from Vietnam.

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The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
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On A Roll (#93268)
by M Scott Eiland

Brandon Webb goes the distance to beat the Phillies 8-3: his eighth win in his first eight starts of the season.

No major league pitcher has won thirty games in a season since 1968, when Denny McLain went 31-6 in 41 starts and threw 28 complete games in 336 innings.* The last three numbers are all artifacts of a distant past: Webb will be lucky to get 36 starts, will probably complete no more than five or six of them, and will throw no more than 250 to 260 innings--meaning that the Diamondbacks' bullpen will soak up some decisions. For Webb to win thirty, he would have to almost run the table for the rest of the season and probably throw more like 280 innings or more--numbers that modern teams terrified of blowing out their ace's arm will be loathe to risk. He probably won't make it, but it should be quite a show to watch him try.

*--Bob Welch made the last real run at thirty wins before falling short, going 27-6 in thirty-five starts for the AL champion Oakland A's in 1990. He had the benefit of a great offense and Dennis Eckersley's greatest season (48 saves, 0.61 ERA), and as a result won a Cy Young award that probably should have gone to Roger Clemens.

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30 wins (#93365)
by caleb

will never happen again.

One of, if not, the only truly safe numbers in baseball.

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~At times like these I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates when he said...."I drank what?"

Uh, is this thing on? (#93266)
by tomsyl

Just a coincidence that the torch isn't lit in the ESPN file picture, or shambolic? That would make it, what, eight times it's gone out this Olympics?

But I learned something: use one of those long fireplace lighter/clicking thingees whenever smoking my cigars in a hurricane.

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Rust never sleeps.

Memo To Harley (#93208)
by M Scott Eiland

If you haven't picked up issue #14 of "BtVS: Joss Whedon's Season Eight" yet, do so ASAP (and whatever issues you need to catch up if necessary). The familiar cry "Joss--you bastard!" is even now echoing from the throats of longtime Buffy fans across the nation, and will continue to do so for at least another month.

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Right You Are, Scott (#93211)
by Harley

I've been following the Whedon trifecta -- Angel, Buffy, and Serenity -- from the start. #14 was a killer. I think the Angel books have been even better.

And don't get me started about The Goon...

The state of the Democratic campaign (#93203)
by Bill White

A Spanish cartoon explains:

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. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .

Ick (#93202)
by M Scott Eiland

Offhand, I'd say that using Eight Belles as a metaphor for HRC's current situation is rather distasteful--in spite of the fact that I can't stand her.

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Making the beast with four backs (#93248)
by tomsyl

From your Wings link:

Maybe a combination of Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Wes Clark, and John Edwards could do it [i.e., euthanize Hillary], but they all seem not to be interested.

Words fail me.

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Rust never sleeps.

ROFL. Given the cartoon above, (#93240)
by BlaiseP

I don't think a filly is the appropriate metaphor, either.

The comparison was pre-denounced by Duncan Black iirc... (#93209)
by Jordan

I guess the Hillary's Filly symbolism is too easy and too obvious for some people to pass up, but ferchrissakes the animal died in agony, you'd think a little respect would be in order.

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH

I'm with hilzoy, this is astonishing (#93207)
by Bill White

From the Time magazine link at ObiWi:

2. She didn't master the rules
Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game. That became abundantly clear in a strategy session last year, according to two people who were there. As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified — and let Penn know it. "How can it possibly be," Ickes asked, "that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn't understand proportional allocation?" And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories. Even now, it can seem as if they don't get it. Both Bill and Hillary have noted plaintively that if Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as Republicans, she'd be the nominee.

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. . . and it looks as though they’ll punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go . . .

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