Summer Solstice Open Thread

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A memorial to a pop singer and a...

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...charade (otherwise known as Iranian democracy), sung to the tune of "Beat It"


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

Photoshop image of the day

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"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

Not That I Care, But Wako Jacko and Farrah Fawcett...

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...are apparently jointly dead today.

I'm dancin`, but maybe not dancing hard enough; I'm playin`, but maybe not playing hard enough, I'm workin`, that I'm doing plenty hard enough.

All these people dying well younger than me...it's just troublesome.

If only because I'm too busy working to worry or think too much about it.

Sighing,

Traveller

OH BOY, OH BOY, OH BOY!

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I really, really, really can't wait 'till Bobby Brady Jindal steps up to the plate.

Just had to share.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm.

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Zelig's picture

The guy is scary. Sure, he had a bad roll-out on the national stage, but his image problems can be repaired if he picks his advisors carefully, including a really good speaking coach. He's sharp, he's charismatic and he works hard. Bush won twice, and he only had the charisma.

edit: remove double word.

Me: We! -- Ali

He's a nerdy little twerp.

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Politics has quite a bit to do with image. I don't think his speaking voice can be fixed much without him sounding even more stilted and phoney. As it was, he pretty much came off as a bizarre animated puppet channeling Andy Griffith.

I hope you're right.

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Zelig's picture

We shall see. I'm wondering how a nerdy little twerp could get all those votes in rough and tumble Louisiana. His image and his message must play well there. I thought Jindal was channeling Kenneth the page from 30 Rock.

Me: We! -- Ali

I guess

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I just don't understand the meaning of the word "charisma" anymore.

I blame it all on the Internet

Anymore?

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Zelig's picture

Interesting. I'm wondering if there are any other words you no longer understand.

Me: We! -- Ali

I'm sure there are plenty nt

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I blame it all on the Internet

USA,USA,USA!!

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The US Men's national team just beat Spain 2-0 to advance to the finals of the Confederation's Cup. LINKEE

If Spain had won they would have broken the record for an unbeaten streak in international play. This is a HUGE upset.

"And now you run in search of the Jedi. They are all dead, save one. And one broken Jedi cannot stop the darkness that is to come." -Darth Sion

Blue Has It....Finally Some Real G*D'ed News...USA!

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Spain -0- USA 2

USA caused one of the biggest surprises in Confederations Cup history by beating European champions Spain to reach Sunday's final.

Jozy Altidore scored the opener when he turned his marker Joan Capdevila to fire in from 15 yards.

Fulham's Clint Dempsey doubled the lead in the second half when he converted Landon Donovan's pass from close range.

Tim Howard saved from Fernando Torres and Cesc Fabregas before USA's Michael Bradley saw red for a foul on Xavi.

Many would have predicted Spain to win this match with a lot to spare, judging by the ease with which they won their group games.

But Vicente del Bosque's men had only faced New Zealand, Iraq and South Africa in the lead up, and with all respect to those teams, the Americans were always going to be a tougher proposition.

Time and time again in the first half, the USA managed to read Spain's trademark killer passes by sticking tight to potent forwards David Villa and Fernando Torres.

In fact, prior to USA's goal, Spain's best opportunity fell to Liverpool hot-shot Torres whose attempt at a volley from six yards was superbly scuppered by Watford's Jay DeMerit.

What was starkly apparent on the Free State Stadium pitch, was the superior athleticism of the Americans.

"Superbly Scuppered"

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I don't watch much soccer. None, in fact.

But I sure like reading about it.

One of the world cup announcers

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was Irish last time round and it spiced things up. Give it a try next summer!

One of the Great Sub-Stories....F the Italians...

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...as I just wrote elsewhere:

...forget the suicide bombings today, shrug off Gov Sanford and his hypocritical cheating, Forget that b@stard Giuseppe Rossi, born in New Jersey and decides to play for the F***ing Italian Soccer Team rather than USA because the Italians will have a better shot at the Cup...

Well the Italians are out and...the Americans are in.

Screw Italy.

*******

Forgive me, my excitement has gotten the better of me.

Traveller

You drew the wrong moral, Trav.

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F New Jersey!

Screw you both

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I'm half Italian and from NJ.

I can still put you both on the ballot for mod and make sure you win.

I blame it all on the Internet

Uh Oh, Another Mullah Type Fixed Election...3 Million More Votes

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...for Catchy.

I'll endorse this...lol

Traveller

And 3 Million for Traveler

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don't think you're getting out of this one.

I blame it all on the Internet

Here I Thought I Was Skating...Finessing this Nicely (LBJ)

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...sailing under the radar.

But I'm caught...

3 million votes for Catchy, the scaffold for me first, dancing the dirty diver at the end of hangman's rope.

Thanks but....

With America's sons in the fields far away, with America's future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office--the Presidency of your country.

Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.

But let men everywhere know, however, that a strong, a confident, and a vigilant America stands ready tonight to seek an honorable peace--and stands ready tonight to defend an honored cause--whatever the price, whatever the burden, whatever the sacrifice that duty may require.

Thank you for listening.

Best wishes, Traveller

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Silly Blaise

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a few SQL commands and wiping the log and I don't have to mess with formatting.

I blame it all on the Internet

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Becuz, as always, Bird is way ahead of me. :)

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Weird

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Here's what I got when going over to Trevino's new site.

WARNING.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Well, i'll tell you one thing

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i would never again register for a website that josh trevino has any control over, given his total disregard for privacy and civility.

Member of the Forvm Five

I would!

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People in my line of work don't care if I beat up on conservatives on the internet.

And everyone already knows that when I disappear it's probably a 'Brazilian women thing' again.

I get the same thing.

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I was getting something similar at the tennis.com scoreboard site (I know, I know)--IIRC, they had a screwy bit of code that was setting off the alarm bells.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Talk About Rightist Melt Down! Josh's Pages must be White Hot

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...it's dangerous even to go there.

As maybe it is...lol

Google is just being honest.

(I kid, I kid)

Traveller

Department of Hoistings on Personal Petards and Own-Goals #2

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

JPM, citing changes in law, ups balance transfer fees to 5%. Barney Frank outraged. :^)

JPMorgan, the biggest credit-card issuer, disclosed the increase in a notice mailed to customers this month that referred to “new federal regulations.” The New York-based lender starts charging more in August, just as the law designed to curb interest-rate increases, fees and marketing practices begins to take effect.

The credit-card law President Barack Obama signed May 22 prompted warnings from industry executives that they’d be forced to raise fees, curtail credit and restrict consumer rewards.
...
“What Chase is doing is strengthening the argument for the new entity,” Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, said in an interview today before the hearing. Banks should be able to impose fees to cover their costs, not to create a “new profit center,” he said.
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The increase also applies to cash advances, and fixed interest rates will become variable, the notice said. JPMorgan may choose to offer a lower transfer fee, the notice said; Hartwick declined to elaborate on how customers might qualify.

“In the current economic environment, our costs of doing business have been impacted by increased losses,” Hartwick said in an e-mailed statement. “We are increasing balance-transfer fees to reflect the increasing costs.”

I find JPMChase's actions entirely predictable. Credit cards are a commodity business, and the basic margins for prime and near-prime customers (i.e. credit worthy ones) are thin. The way the companies make money is via the fees, etc that cross-subsidize the main product, as well as the higher rates available on sub-prime borrowers and habitual balance carriers. Curb those and the providers will inevitably go looking for other sources of revenue. Either that or they'll jack up rates on prime borrowers, which is presumably the one thing the drafters of the legislation didn't want to have happen while their President is trying to get people borrowing & spending again. Congrats on the own-goal!

I find Frank's outrage disingenuous. "Banks should be able to impose fees to cover their costs, not to create a “new profit center"? Que? This makes about as much sense as saying "automobile manufacturers should be able to impose fees to cover their costs not to create a 'new profit center'"

a) Newsflash to Frank: The Banks need any profit center they can find, Barney. You want them recapitalized, no? Then suck it up; that capital flows from retained earnings or investors buying stakes in profitable firms. The banks will recapitalize at precisely the rate they make money at, no faster, despite any handwaving on your part.

b) In any case, who the hell are you to say what is or isn't a profit center? You were apparently under the impression that you could legislate away the existing ones, so the banks just went out and jacked things up to recreate one. Quelle surprise! Block that and they'll find another equally unpopular with your constituents, because they're in the business of making money and your constituents are in the business of not wanting to pay for services (whether via prices or taxes, as you are no doubt well aware by this late date.)

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Department of Hoistings on Personal Petards and Own-Goals #1

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

EnTrust Capital Inc., Andy Cuomo’s personal and campaign money manager, received state pension funds to invest from a Cuomo kickback investigation target.

Starting in 2006, EnTrust’s Capital Waters Fund Ltd. received more than $20 million from Liberty Oak Capital Fund LP, according to Robert Whalen, spokesman for New York state comptroller Thomas DiNapoli. Liberty Oak’s parent, Consulting Services Group LLC, got access to state pension money after signing an agreement that paid Henry “Hank” Morris about $1 million in kickbacks to get the business, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said in a complaint against Morris.

EnTrust was founded in 1997 by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. alumni Gregg Hymowitz, Michael Horowitz, and Mark Fife, according to the firm’s Web site. Its Capital Waters Fund is an offshore fund the firm launched in 1999. Cuomo, 51, is a limited partner in EnTrust’s Capital Diversified Fund LP, where he has held his investments since at least 2005, according to his state financial disclosure forms from 2005 through 2008. Statements for 2009 haven’t been published yet.

Granted that it isn't clear that there's a quid pro quo between the investment in EnTrust and Liberty Oak, Hank Morris, Cuomo or any other parties. Still, the money invested in EnTrust is basically the same cash that Morris was paid kickbacks to steer towards CSG and Liberty Oak, so the whole thing thing has a taint to it. Cuomo is being called on to recuse himself and appoint some kind of independent investigator/prosecutor to look at EnTrust, which makes sense to me given the incestuous nature of the whole thing.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Ouch

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Pwned.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Yeah, not really.

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And it's funny--I'm not a fan of Sullivan's, and some of those criticisms hit their marks (not so much the practically de rigeur charge of antisemitism)--but he's been doing some fine work in disseminating (disseminating--get it?! He's "single issue Andy"!!) info about the Iranian protests, practically devoting his highly-trafficked site to it over the course of recent events. I'd think he'd deserve some credit for that, and that it would make a smug hit piece rather poorly-timed.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Right. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .because spending print space on breaking news rather than more Trig Trutherism or making excuses for why The One hasn't ushered in a new era of gay rights doesn't benefit him in any way.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

So what if it does benefit him?

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If you're saying that whatever work he may doing now doesn't outweigh the crap he's published, OK, I can understand the argument. But the fact that doing a praiseworthy act can redound to one's benefit means the act isn't praiseworthy?

That's a kinda screwy moral inference.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

The Former

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I have no problem with self-interested acts--they just don't do anything to make him less of a deranged scumbag, or less deserving of the schadenfreude-inducing kneecapping he got in the above-linked article.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Deranged Scumbag?

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I'll give you inconsistent, I'll give you bizarrely fixated on certain issues (the Palin maternity thing, circumcision, etc.), but... Scumbag? Seriously, did Sully kill your parents or something?

You do actually read this site,

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and Scott's comment's right?

He was holding back in this instance.

Kneecapping? More like a fawning little slap with a hankie

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from a particularly gruesome Better Midler-impersonating drag queen. New Ledger and Badeaux are just more pseudo-intellectual poseurs, especially that Pejman Yousefzadeh, who I've met in the Chicago area. The whole bunch of 'em, fueled by that skeevy Gano CEO Clayton Wagar's money, are hell-bent on giving Andrew Sullivan a hard time.

Trouble is, they lack Sullivan's tremendous inconsistencies. Walt Whitman once said in Song of Myself "I contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself. I contain multitudes." Okay, Sullivan has gone this way and that on many issues. But Christopher Badeaux isn't going to make anyone go Ouch from atop his rickety soap box at New Ledger.

I kept my promise, don't keep your distance

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The Republian Gov. of South Carolina, Mark Sanford was in Argentina, not the Appalacian Trail, for the last six days. LINKEE

S.C. Gov. Mark Sanford arrived in the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport this morning, having wrapped up a seven-day visit to Buenos Aires, Argentina, he said. Sanford said he had not been hiking along the Appalachian Trail, as his staff said in a Tuesday statement to the media.

Sanford's whereabouts had been unknown since Thursday, and the mystery surrounding his absence fueled speculation about where he had been and who's in charge in his absence. His emergence Wednesday ended the mystery.

Scratch one 2012 Republican Presidential hopeful.

It will be a fun couple of days watching this play out.

"And now you run in search of the Jedi. They are all dead, save one. And one broken Jedi cannot stop the darkness that is to come." -Darth Sion

WTF?

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Very odd. Can't see any harm in the guy taking a vacation in BA, but the confusion around where he was and whether he could be communicated with is weird.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

I sense

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that from somewhere of great altitude, another shoe plunges toward earth at this very moment.

Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham

I expect (updated)

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more details about this Friday afternoon, say 4pm Eastern time.

Flaky story. We'll see.

EDIT - He's holding a press conference today at 2pm eastern time.

The Montevidean Candidate? nt

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I blame it all on the Internet

Thinking about Iran

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It seems to me that the incumbent faction is feeling a deathly threat. That much is obvious. What I'm wondering about is if it might actually result in a change of policy.

Internally, I would think they would double down and become more repressive. They would have to in order to keep dissension tamped down. They will also need to be more socially conservative to keep their dwindling constituency happy and pumped up.

But on foreign policy? Can they really afford to be attempting to widen their influence with Hezbollah and Hamas? Might they take the Russian offer to provide fuel for supervised nuclear plants? It seems to me that the Iranian foreign policy is a) unpopular locally, witnessed by the success of Moussavi's 'present a kinder face to the world' campaign. And b) it isolates Iran economically, which also feeds discontent. If Ahmadinejad/Khameini care about adapting for survival, this would be the place they would do it.

Perhaps this is what is motivating the Obama administration's reticence to cut off possibility of talks. There might be a possible opening here, as distasteful as dealing with goons is.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Mark this day

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Here's a situation where I approve and endorse what Obama did. He purposely called on Nico Pitney in his presser today, and why not. Pitney has done a stellar job covering events in Iran at HuffPo, and I'm gratified to see that Obama and his WH staff have been following Pitney's continuous and extensive updates. Calderone has a follow-up here, and it looks like Pitney conducted himself commendably.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

Health care and Congress

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If I didn't know any better, David Brooks is in favor of socialized medicine.

Democratic Senator Ron Wyden piped up and noted that he and Republican Senator Robert Bennett have a plan that repeals the exemption and provides universal coverage. The Wyden-Bennett bill has 14 bipartisan co-sponsors and the Congressional Budget Office has found that it would be revenue-neutral.

The Finance Committee’s chairman, Senator Max Baucus, looked exasperated. With that haughty and peremptory manner that they teach in Committee Chairman School, he told Wyden and the world that this idea was not going to happen.


The other alternatives that Congress has are half measures and amazingly expensive.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

Thank Goodness That Old Fool Never Became Prez

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Joe Klein explains why.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Another example of the angry little man (Klein) expressing anger

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Having read the Face the Nation transcript, all McCain was saying that the U.S. should vocally support the Iranian people, vocally criticize the regime for denying universal human rights, and wait on negotiations with the regime until the dust settles. Interestingly, in today's presser, Obama criticized the Iranian regime, supported the "courage and dignity of the Iranian people", and didn't really address face-to-face negotiations.

Klein's overwrought hyperbolic response to McCain is ridiculous. It was one of his typical dishonest hit pieces against the Senator, capped by him saying he would never question McCain's, but then going on to question McCain's patriotism. I guess McCain must've interrupted Klein while giving Obama figurative fellatio. What an obnoxious little smurf.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

"The raven chides blackness."

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Zelig's picture

-- Willie S.

Me: We! -- Ali

McCain

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"... there were many on the left in American politics who said
don't encourage them. When the workers of Gdansk in Poland were fighting for their freedom, "We shouldn't interfere." We did give them moral support.

After the Berlin Wall came down, guess what? They said, "You were the beacon of hope."

Uh-huh. GHW Bush and James Baker did and said very little in the fall of '89 when the Berlin wall was coming down. They thought as Obama did not to give anyone an excuse for a crack-down and the wall came down anyway.

McCain's welcome to make his arguments, but face it. It's just another manifestation of the toy version of history Rs repeat: our leaders who dare to cut through the shibboleth and proudly and simply face down 'evil' move mountains.

It's BS and part of the dumbing down of America.

The point, catchy,

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is that what McCain said on a Sunday is highly similar to what Obama said on a Tuesday. The point is that Klein is showing himself to be a disingenuous hack. Had Klein's pom poms not obscured his vision, perhaps he would have noticed that the only real difference between McCain and Obama is timing, which sort of reminds me of how the candidates responded when Russia invaded Georgia last summer.

EDIT: Here's another indicator that the Klein entry was a straightforward hit piece. He didn't quote a single iota of what McCain actually said.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

I wasn't commenting on the Klein/Obama/McCain

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Harley/BD dustup!

Just on the portion of the transcript I read, and I want some praise for reading your link!

McCain Love

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The saddest love of all.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Now that he lost,

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McCain will have few defenders from the right, as expected. But here's a challenge for ya, Harley. Read the Face the Nation transcript. For the life of me, I don't see how what he said could have caused such an extreme reaction in Klein. It makes no sense.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

well I only read one pg. of the transcript

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and came away crying about the dumbing down of America.

THere's extreme reactions to be had I tell ya.

Well, at least

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mccain isn't president. Thank goodness.

Also - who's angry?

Nixon on abortion and Jews

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Every time a tape gets released of this guy I'm at first flabbergasted he was in the White House, then a little relieved. If this guy didn't permanently f%^& up the country maybe nobody can:

On Jan. 23, 1973, when the Supreme Court struck down state criminal abortion laws in Roe v. Wade, President Richard M. Nixon made no public statement. But privately, newly released tapes reveal, he expressed ambivalence.

Nixon worried that greater access to abortions would foster “permissiveness,” and said that “it breaks the family.” But he also saw a need for abortion in some cases, such as interracial pregnancies.

There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,” he told an aide, before adding: “Or a rape.”

... The tapes also reveal that in February 1973, after Israel shot down a Libyan civilian passenger jet, killing 113 people, Nixon talked about his views of anti-Semitism in America in a phone conversation with the evangelist Billy Graham...

“It may be they have a death wish You know that’s been the problem with our Jewish friends for centuries.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html?hp

Shooting down civilian airliners

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hell its pracitcally a western democracy sport...

The Soviet Union. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .was a Western democracy? News to me.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

the great Philip Baker Hall

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You should really watch Altman's Nixon movie, Secret Honor.

with respect to "our Jewish friends"

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Yom Kippur War which isn't a bad summary

"Perhaps we also ought to run off people who abuse our toleration of differing viewpoints."

WTF?

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I can think of no better title right now:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1635147,abbate-sentence-video-bar-beating-062309.article

A Cook County judge sentenced Chicago Police officer Anthony Abbate to two years probation this afternoon for beating a petite female bartender in a drunken rampage at a Northwest Side Bar.

He could have received five years in prison. Five years seems extreme. But zero time in jail? Even a month or a week would have been a token punishment for blatant and violent criminal behavior.

Truly hard to believe.

Agreed.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Abbate's clearly a violent a-hole, and 2 years probation is both a inadequate for the crime at hand and sends a poor message to other a-holes.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Submitted without comment

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Wow, that was remarkably dumb.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Usually these things are a bit more clever and amusing.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Yeah, not the sharpest knives in the drawer, eh?

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But consider the cut-ins from Glenn Beck and the GOP.... hard to sort out which is the crude parody.

True. - nt

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

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-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

National Review's Senescence

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In the early 1990's, one of the two magazines that got me thinking politically was National Review (the other was The New Republic). It was informative and had actual arguments against Democratic policies, as well as counter-proposals for actual policies.

So twenty years later, in this same publication (or at least its weblog), I came across Victor Davis Hanson explaining that Barack Obama is a post-modernist, with a

Manichean notion of world affairs — one also reflected in most of the curricula of our major universities.

The binary oppressor/victim narrative goes something like this: The United States for the last half-century — through its embrace of neocolonialism and imperialism, and then again through its birthing of globalized capitalism — is at fault for most of the mess outside the West.

We as the bad guys impose, dictate, exploit, ignore, and manipulate the more noble Other to such a degree that he is forced to lash out in understandable, though often dangerous ways.

This is a sort of all-inclusive worldview that in postmodern fashion pits those with “power” against those without it.

Apparently, the Barack Obama who's committed to winning in Afghanistan, who's dropping missiles into the living rooms of Salafi terrorists in Waziristan, is a post-colonialist. Now then, I'm not sure where Hanson has gotten this notion. To give him the maximum benefit of the doubt, in the same way that people think Greenspan is an Objectivist because he was enthusiastic about Ayn Rand in his youth, perhaps Hanson assumes that because Obama was into Fanon as an undergrad, then he must obviously be eagerly anticipating the socialist revolution of the oppressed peoples of the world. I can just barely believe that Hanson is mis-representing Obama rather than making s*it up. Hanson has a bee in his bonnet about BHO being a post-modernists so who knows, maybe as a classicist, he's been so angered by post-modernist drivel that he's come to see post-modernists everywhere and in everything. Maybe.

But then, we have Andrew McCarthy, who one-ups the nonsense by clarifying what motivates Barry:

The fact is that, as a man of the hard Left, Obama is more comfortable with a totalitarian Islamic regime than he would be with a free Iranian society...Indeed, he is the product of a hard-Left tradition that apologized for Stalin and was more comfortable with the Soviets than the anti-Communists (and that, in Soros parlance, saw George Bush as a bigger terrorist than bin Laden).

I am saddened and appalled by the level to which NR has sunk. Now granted, these two posts are from the blog rather than the print magazine, but I believe the technical term for this sort of writing is "bat-sh*t insane." Seriously, these read like dispatches from an alternate reality.

There are actual things one can argue with Obama about. One could argue against the new policy in Afghanistan to avoid firefights when civilians are present. One could argue that letting tax rates return to their Clinton-era levels would be a disaster. One could argue against Obama's health care plan. But seriously, when folks are ranting against an Obama 8/10 of which is a product of their fevered imaginations, it's just impossible to take them seriously. When you start ranting about Obama the totalitarian's love of Islamicist tyrants because all evil people really share the same dastardly goal, you may as well be strenuously opposing Obama's planned peace treaty with the Klingon Empire.

Forgive the long quote from Greenwald

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McCarthy, despite his proclomations, is a voice heard everywhere in the mainstream media. As far as I know, there is and was no leftist equivalent featured to the same extent ... i.e. no one featured bi-weekly in the New York Times said things like Bush felt more comfortable with Hitler or Mussolini than with anti-fascists.

Today, National Review's Andy McCarthy advises readers that -- shock of all shocks -- The New York Times today, for some indiscernible reason, for once actually allowed his opinion to seep into its rigidly leftist pages:

"Here's Something You Don't See In the New York Times Everyday [Andy McCarthy]

Namely, my opinion — on the controversy over the Uighur detainees at Gitmo."

He can't just say that he has a contribution in the Times today. Everything has to be accompanied by a self-pitying grievance lest the victimization be undermined. Thus: it's such a shock when one encounters a strong conservative voice like McCarthy's in The Liberal Media. The leftist censoring editors at the NYT must have been out sick yesterday, as only that could explain how they let such a brave right-wing voice slip through. Something like that basically never happens because conservatives are treated so unfairly in the media and are excluded from those venues, and it's specifically shocking and rare that opinions from someone like McCarthy would ever, ever be found in a place like The New York Times:

New York Times, January 29, 2009: "A Steppingstone for Law’s Best and Brightest," by Benjamin Weiser:

“Of all the clubs I’ve ever been in, it’s the best one to be in,” said Andrew C. McCarthy, a 1990s terrorism prosecutor who is now a commentator for National Review, but who leapt to the defense of his Southern District colleague Patrick J. Fitzgerald when he was attacked by conservatives for prosecuting I. Lewis Libby Jr.

New York Times, January 23, 2009, Room for Debate: "The Risks of Releasing Detainees":

The Times reports today on the case of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee who has emerged as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda in Yemen. . . . We asked these experts — several of whom were in earlier discussions on the legal challenges of closing Guantánamo and on the effects that torture charges have on its closing — for their response to this case. . . . Andrew McCarthy, legal affairs editor at National Review.

New York Times, January 13, 2009, Room for Debate: "The Challenges of Closing Guantánamo":

We asked these experts what the hardest challenge the new administration will face, and how that might be resolved. . . . Andrew McCarthy, legal affairs editor at National Review.

New York Times, January 3, 2009: "Early Test of Obama View on Power Over Detainees," by Adam Liptak:

Still, Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who has generally supported the Bush administration’s approach to fighting terrorism, said Mr. Obama’s hands are tied. He cannot, Mr. McCarthy said, continue to maintain that Mr. Marri’s detention is lawful. “I don’t think politically for him that’s a viable option,” Mr. McCarthy said. “Legally, it’s perfectly viable.”

New York Times, December 5, 2008: "5 Charged in 9/11 Attacks Seek to Plead Guilty," by William Glaberson:

“These guys are smart enough to know that they’re not ever going to see the light of day again,” said Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal terrorism prosecutor who is chairman of the Center for Law and Counterterrorism in Washington. “I think they’re trying to make as big a publicity splash as they can.”

New York Times, November 24, 2008: "Judge Rules That Suspects Cannot Be Detained Because of Ethnicity," by Liz Robbins:

Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and a former federal prosecutor, said the ruling “sharpens a question that needs to be addressed: What is the proper consideration of factors like ethnicity in questions of surveillance?

“The police officers want to know what the rules are. It may turn out to be bad to the American people if it tells them to do something that is counter to common sense.” Common sense, Mr. McCarthy said, dictated that the police should be able to take race and ethnicity into account in surveillance.

New York Times, November 21, 2008, "Judge Declares Five Detainees Held Illegally," by William Glaberson:

But Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal terrorism prosecutor, said the decision highlighted the difficulties of courts’ reviewing wartime decisions about who qualifies as an enemy combatant. Mr. McCarthy said those were decisions “our system of divided powers consigns to military professionals in the executive branch, not judges.”

New York Times, November 14, 2008, "Post-Guantánamo: A New Detention Law?," by William Glaberson:

Some lawyers warn that given the nature of evidence against some Guantánamo detainees, prosecutors may not be able to convict them. “We have lots of information that is reliable, that tells us someone is a threat and that cannot be proved in court,” said Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal terrorism prosecutor who is now director of the Center for Law and Counterterrorism.

New York Times, August 8, 2008: "With Fewer Terror Trials, Manhattan Court Quiets Down," by Benjamin Weiser:

Andrew C. McCarthy, a former assistant United States attorney who helped to prosecute the landmarks bomb plot, said the Siddiqui case demonstrated that “we’re actually starting to get to a place where we’re developing some coherent principles about which cases ought to go into which system.”

New York Times, June 6, 2008, "Adviser Says McCain Backs Bush Wiretaps," by Charlie Savage:

Andrew C. McCarthy, a National Review columnist who has defended the administration’s legal theories, wrote that Mr. Holtz-Eakin’s statement “implicitly shows Senator McCain’s thinking has changed as time has gone on and he has educated himself on this issue.”

New York Times, September 20, 2007: "Big Terror Trial Shaped Views of Justice Pick," by Adam Liptak:

“The tools we had to charge terrorism were appallingly bad,” said Andrew C. McCarthy, the lead prosecutor. . . .That view, Mr. McCarthy said, has turned out to be naïve, and he has proposed the creation of a new national security court to address the problem. In his Wall Street Journal article last month, Judge Mukasey said Mr. McCarthy’s proposal and similar ones “deserve careful scrutiny.”

In fairness to McCarthy, his whine that his opinion doesn't appear in The New York Times "every day" is, I suppose, technically true. There do appear to be some days -- not many -- that the Times publishes its newspaper without including views from Andy McCarthy (though in January alone, one encountered his opinion in its pages on 4 separate days).

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/01/mccarthy/

But That Leads to the Question of

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What in the f*** is wrong with the American right?

I mean, there were signs things were screwy when you had some conservatives deciding that a Marxist dictator was the champion and defender of Christendom back in 1999. But over the last decade there seems to have been an exponential growth of the crazy.

I mean, I vehemently dislike the idiots who claim that the Taliban is fighting the good fight against neoliberalism as much as the next guy. And I shared the dislike of folks who said that the best way to deal with Iraq once it had gone pear-shaped was to beat a hasty retreat (it was one of the reasons I was really hoping HRC would win the primary).

But Barack Obama will be leaving Iraq on the terms asked for by the democratically elected non-Ba'ath Iraqi government. Obama is resolutely ignoring his left flank in an effort to pull out a win in Afghanistan.

And on domestic policy, his health care plan is not a single payer plan, and it's not a nationalization of the health sector.

But you wouldn't know any of that from reading stuff from the right media. It's almost as if they've given up trying to convince reasonable people. WTF?

I've been reading Lasch's "True & Only Heaven"

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... and he's scoring some strong points against the Hofstatder-esque view of conservative populism as mental illness ("paranoid style in American politics," "authoritarian personality," etc.). I'm enjoying it a great deal. But his point is stronger as an anti-anti-populism than it is as a defense of actually-existing conservative populist thought over the past seventy-five, hundred years. Yes, the managerial elite--and the bien-pensant liberal intellectual class that serves as its bad conscience--have done a great deal to marginalize those who have questioned its conception of the good life, but those marginalized sure have played their roles to the hilt, no? Anyway, I think it's that line of thought that's coming to prominence in conservative media these days (I know--newsflash, right?); in this light, I wonder if libertarians' growing drift from the GOP might turn out to be something more consequential than I'd otherwise be inclined to think it.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

I have some thoughts, but nothing too interesting

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There have been a lot of false dichotomies used to push extreme policies. Government is always the problem -- tax cuts always good, deregulation always good, etc. R policies = capitalism and anything else = socialism.

Perhaps that kind of rhetoric has taken on a life of its own, now that Obama is moving incrementally in the opposite direction?

Another thought: after 9/11, conservatives were emboldened to demonize those they disagreed with, got away with it, and prospered. Again, maybe that habit has gotten entrenched.

FWIW, my sense is that there is irrationality on the right at levels of leadership and/or alleged prestige that is alarming -- moreso than the left.

I don't know where I'd be politically in France or the Netherlands, but my sympathies in this country are with the left in large part b/c many on our right a. don't know when they've gone overboard with their ideology, b. don't seem to care, and c. still hold too many levers of power.

Anyway, what's your take?

catchy, your "left" tilt

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would keep you well on the right in Europe. I'm thinking David Cameron, maybe.

What's "wrong"?

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What in the f*** is wrong with the American right?

A lot of things, Andrew, but in a nutshell, the main unhinging factor, at least recently, seems to be an inability to come to terms with rejection - electoral, poitical and ideological. And the reaction to this rejection looks mainly to been a doubling-down of the rhetoric - expressed (sadly, typically)in the sort of ranting fulminations cited in the Hanson and McCarthy posts. Although VDH should know better - he IS the "respected historian" after all - his screed differs from McCarthy's only in slight detail: and both basically substitute puerile name-calling and insult-mongering for any substantive point of critique.
Maybe it's a artifact of having subcontracted the job of communicating their views out to talk-radio rant-mongers and wingnut bloggers: but if even "respectable" conservatives feel they have to resort to framing their criticisms in this sort of angry, cliche-ridden blather (Barack Obama as "Hard Left"? Puh-leeze!) they'll be a long time getting back to the table. Hopefully a very long time.

No, it's "hard Left"

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hard is just an adjective, while Left is a scary, scary conspiracy that's synonymous with Enemy like in lord of the rings (which, let's face it, all these anti-intellectualism-peddling beltway conservatives have read at least 4 times)

They can only sell what the market's buying

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if the conservative base wants to read about socialist Marxist Islamofascist Barry X, that's what they have to print to sell their magazines.

I blame it all on the Internet

nah

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are there any right wing magazines that turn a profit?

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Well

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I was really talking about income.

That's a good point, though, if they are receiving subsidies that the subsidizers are the ones that should be asking for a change.

I blame it all on the Internet

Some rich people pay for propaganda

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that protects rich people and don't expect any other return.

I think that's nilsey's point.

heh

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this sort of writing is "bat-sh*t insane."

not referring to anyone *here*, of course.

Member of the Forvm Five

So vint. has a new blog

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that someone named HankP might consider puttin into the 'related sites' section: http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/

Since I was missing vint., I went over there and tried to argue with him a bit:

http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2009/06/christian_evangelization_of_mu.html#comments

Ah yes. Where they want to return to witch-burning ages. -nt-

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Really, the Early Modern Period

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Was when witch-burnings were big. The Middle Ages, not so much.

/pedant

The Church started the Inquisition's witchcraft investigations

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by the mid 1300s, AFAIK, by the various popes involved in rooting out the Cathari. Organised demonology started around that time, too.

Augustine actually considered witchcraft to be an impossibility as Satan had no positive powers. OTOH, Aquinas in the Summa was one of the originators of a positive theory of demonology

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/sum603.htm

Some have asserted that witchcraft is nothing in the world but an imagining of men who ascribed to spells those natural effects the causes of which are hidden. But this is contrary to the authority of holy men who state that the demons have power over men's bodies and imaginations, when God allows them: wherefore by their means wizards can work certain signs. Now this opinion grows from the root of unbelief or incredulity, because they do not believe that demons exist save only in the imagination of the common people, who ascribe to the demon the terrors which a man conjures from his thoughts, and because, owing to a vivid imagination, certain shapes such as he has in his thoughts become apparent to the senses, and then he believes that he sees the demons. But such assertions are rejected by the true faith whereby we believe that angels fell from heaven, and that the demons exist, and that by reason of their subtle nature they are able to do many things which we cannot; and those who induce them to do such things are called wizards.
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Reply to Objection 3: Some spells are so perpetual that they can have no human remedy, although God might afford a remedy by coercing the demon, or the demon by desisting. For, as wizards themselves admit, it does not always follow that what was done by one kind of witchcraft can be destroyed by another kind, and even though it were possible to use witchcraft as a remedy, it would nevertheless be reckoned to be perpetual, since nowise ought one to invoke the demon's help by witchcraft. Again, if the devil has been given power over a person on account of sin, it does not follow that his power ceases with the sin, because the punishment sometimes continues after the fault has been removed. And again, the exorcisms of the Church do not always avail to repress the demons in all their molestations of the body, if God will it so, but they always avail against those assaults of the demons against which they are chiefly instituted.

My impression of their site

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I blame it all on the Internet

By the way you have a response to your post over there...

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http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2009/06/christian_evangelization_of_mu.html#comment-60531

Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to intense skeptical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your

Thanks Da

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New?

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He's been contributing over there for quite some time.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Well it was new to me

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Like all of my cars.

It should replace...

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Zelig's picture

...Aaron's blog, which has been gone, gone, gone for some time now. Replace a dead link with one that goes somewhere.

Me: We! -- Ali

Bangkok to Surat Thani, Bus to Phuket?

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How to get to Phuket or Ko Samui?
...I am having have a fantasy of taking the train. These are my current concerns...how it get in some diving and underwater photography which I haven't done in way too long.

See link for train schedules, pretty damned interesting, and, at $36 dollars, damned cheap. the problem is that from Surat Thani, I suppose you have to take a bus the last leg to Phuket. Maybe a 10 hour trip?

Map here:

Rail Routs in SEA

http://www.seat61.com/Map-SEAsia.htm

Fares, pics and what not at the seat 61 site:

http://www.seat61.com/Thailand.htm


Train Runs Through Bangkok Market - Watch more Funny Videos

The trouble is that I have very little time in Bangkok, 6 days, and I've scheduled some oral surgery....so I'll be traveling in pain...but what the Hell?

I'm so use to European Trains...this looks so exotic...but I'll probably fly.

Smile, and the whole world smiles with you.

I'm also excited about the car trip all the way up Luzon to San Fernando.

You know, for all my trouble, and I've got plenty....this is pretty cool.

(I'm also doing this as a distinct post because I think the rail map of South East Asia is...important to see...and think on regardless of what I might do).

Traveller

What, no Pattaya?

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Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

I'm in Pattaya in September.

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In case anyone else is around. See you there, tomsyl!

Looks very fun!

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Jealous per usual, Trav!

travel broadens the immune system.

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I'm not sure diving and oral surgery go together, but I was in K. Samui about 10 years ago. Beautiful waters - sail rock was wonderful. So was my Japanese dive mistress :) Stayed a couple of nights on K Tao but I think that's a lot more built up now.

What are your top dive sites btw? I recommend the Zenobia in Cyprus - Something on the west coast of Ireland (Kilkee was Cousteau's no 5 all time best spot I've heard). U260 was fun, but not for everyone.

Do Bangkok to Singapore by train. A classic.

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For those who like trains...I've always wanted to do the Trans-Siberian. Or the new one to Lhasa. And the Orient Express, of course.

There was a book by Theroux on classic train journeys IIRC.

train travel

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i've done a fair amount in europe, a little in asia -- but almost none in the US.

anyone have any experience with US cross country train travel?

Member of the Forvm Five

AMTRAK? Don't bother.

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Every freight train will sideline the passenger train. Getting my wife from Chicago to St Louis was a nightmare: almost four hours late. Considering that's only 360 miles, (580 km) you could drive in about half the time.

St Louis has a magnificent train station. It fell into horrible disrepair, badly enough to warrant being used in the dystopic film Escape From New York [ aside: one of the worst movies ever made] Though perfectly restored, it's now been converted into a mall.

The actual St. Louis AMTRAK station is a shabby little thing, worse than a small-town bus station. I've seen nicer bus stations in Guatemala.

sure, but if you're not in a hurry

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the empire builder sounds like a interesting ride.

i think you can get off and catch the next days train as well, make it a tour of sorts.

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My Sister did an Amtrack Across the US a Couple of Yrs Ago

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...in fact, I picked her and her husband up in Malvern, Arkansas...(I know it's odd, stay with me here, there were reasons for this), and she insists that it was the worst journey of her life anywhere on anything.

I've never done Amtrack, so I don't know, but I would be doubtful.

Unless you're a real train Enthusiast....I kind of like them in foreign locations because you get to meet people and they can't get away from you....lol

I don't have this problen the US, so no trains.

Best Wishes, Traveller

I've done Amtrack from Ann Arbor to Chicago for the past 4 years

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and have been anywhere from on time to 3 hours late. I find what makes or breaks the experience is if you have some jerk sitting near you shouting into his cell phone or not. Just did it from San Diego to LA in February sitting by a bunch of dunk 20 somethings and some drama queen in his 30s, that one really sucked.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

The quiet car

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From Washington to New York (and back) is remarkably civilized. I've watched the conductors hustle people out of the car for being too loud on their cell phones. Bliss.

They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864

Ha

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I used to do the NY-Boston shuttle in the late 70s and it was great specifically because of the drunk 20 somethings (which I was at the time).

I blame it all on the Internet

Ho Ho

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Fairfield to Grand Central for over 25 years, penny a point bridge and at least on three occasions ended up in the New Haven train yard.

"Perhaps we also ought to run off people who abuse our toleration of differing viewpoints."

Summer Solstice Sucks.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

It's all downhill from here.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Only 186

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shopping days left 'till Christmas.

Until football season- nt

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nt

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

You forgot about thermal inertia

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the best is yet to come.

I blame it all on the Internet

i will assume the email i received today was from you

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and i hope you are feeling better.

"Perhaps we also ought to run off people who abuse our toleration of differing viewpoints."

Thanks nt

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.

I blame it all on the Internet

and Hank when you are truely out-of-bounds

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others will speak affectionately on how you are becoming another TtWD. :)

"Perhaps we also ought to run off people who abuse our toleration of differing viewpoints."

that's why you gotta party like it's 1999

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Y'know, back before 'it' happened.

Self-Hating Moron Update

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M Scott Eiland's picture

So--when professional @$$#ole Perez Hilton wanted to come up with the worst insult possible to direct at some hip-hop artist, he came up with "faggot"? To quote Ace: "What. A. F***ing. Idiot."

Of course, we can expect the usual suspects to start calling for Hilton to face a hate crime prosecution, right?

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Heh

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In your dreams, of course. I'm not sure a gay man calling a hip-hop 'artist' a faggot qualifies as a hate crime. YMMV.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Well, I mean, he.....

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

....does hate the Black Eyed Peas. That much has been clear for some time.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Yes, He Does

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I for one only hate Fergie.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Me too!

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Zelig's picture

Not really. One morning a few decades ago I met her and Andrew when they toured the building where I worked. One of them wanted to chat a bit, but I was actually quite sick, with what turned out to be food poisoning. I closed my door as fast as I possibly could, and promptly deposited breakfast and the last night's dinner into my wastebasket. Secret Service wouldn't let anybody in or out of the building for what seemed like a day or two, but since they had left the floor, I could at least use the bathroom. That day sucked. I really don't blame her. I blame Bush.

Me: We! -- Ali

No fergaliscious def.?

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Fergaliscious Def!

Perhaps

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M Scott Eiland's picture

But given that Canada has been idiotic and/or malicious enough to give this gang of PC-obsessed thugs power, it would behoove said rap figure to have some form of counter-PC BS ready to use in self-defense to any suggestion that *he* is guilty of a hate crime.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Well, I was hoping somebody else would ...

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Zelig's picture

...come up with the correct answer, but I was mistaken.

Let's just say that the insult "faggot" does not mean what you and "Ace" think it means when used between young men having an argument. Self-loathing queers tend to be a whole lot older, like Larry Craig and Bob Allen.

Me: We! -- Ali

Game Over

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Matthew Shepard Foundation doesn't want money from Perez Hilton's lawsuit.

The paragraph following the quote from the charity's representative (who is Matthew Shepard's mom) sums up the matter nicely:

If you’re a gay guy in the news because someone punched you, and the most prominent gay rights organization has asked you to apologize, and a charity who works to end violence against gay people won’t take money from you, I think it’s safe to say you’re a piece of s**t.

Sucks to be you, Mario.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Nice response...

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Zelig's picture

...from Shepard's mom. I only object to your "self-hating" insult.

There are plenty of self-loathing queers in our society. They are almost always closeted, tend to be older, occupy various perches on the right side of the aisle, and christianist, as per the examples I cited upstream. I can think of no examples that do not fit these criteria. The earliest examples I can think of, without thinking too hard about it are Roy Cohn and J Edgar.

The fat fella with the pink streaks all over his face deserves ridicule, but even the swaggering internet tough guy "Ace" doesn't seem to consider him "self-hating".

We should see this as a win-win because Hilton comes out looking rather bad, as does the Will I Am character for having a bodyguard defend him from this rotted little pastry piece.

As to the lawsuit itself, I'm not sure we could find a qualified attorney who would represent Hilton in any civil matter related to this event without all his expenses paid in full and up front before first papers are filed.

Me: We! -- Ali

Tell It To GLAAD

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M Scott Eiland's picture

They're not buying that excuse.

Sorry, but the vicious little himbo who went gunning for a beauty show contestant for daring to have the same position on gay marriage as President Obama doesn't get a pass on this.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

So I see you've joined...

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Zelig's picture

...what Andrew Sullivan calls "the gay language police".

Well done.

Me: We! -- Ali

Fight the power, Scott. -nt-

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LOL!

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

"Let's just say that the insult "faggot" does not mean what you and "Ace" think it means when used between young men having an argument."

As a fellow who got into plenty of arguments as a young man, I'll wager that it meant exactly what Scott thought it meant. :^) But if you've got evidence for some differing sub-culture use of the term or such, please feel free to present it.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

You don't get out much, do you?

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Zelig's picture

.

Me: We! -- Ali

Nope.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

No need to hang out with the sorts in question, in any case.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

I agree.

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Zelig's picture

I find both of the celebrities in question to be distasteful. My *only* objection was the "self-hating" assumption in the title, along with "hate crime" snipe.

Me: We! -- Ali

That appears to rest on....

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

.....two assumptions on Scott's part which I don't think are unreasonable.

a) Perez Hilton is gay.

b) Use of an anti-X epithet by a member of group X as an insult, particulary in a heated moment, would tend to indicate some self-dislike, at the least.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Your assumption...

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Zelig's picture

..."b)" would be incorrect, according to the fat-faced moron who made it, and comments I've read in in the press.

There are proper ways to deal with insults of this type that don't include commanding your bodyguard to pop him one in public, but instead insisting on a private one-on-one discussion with the fat-faced moron in question.

Me: We! -- Ali

Once upon a time....

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when you had your a$$ handed to you, you told as few people as possible, not as many as possible.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

indeed.

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Reserve, a quality once admired at least as much as any other, is now something that is regarded as a fault.

Well he was in Canada

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don't they have human rights tribunals or something for this sort of thing?

Anyway, you're apparently claiming the PC left would seek to shield Perez Hilton. Why?

Is Perez Hilton a lefty celebrity or something?