In which we learn how not to popularise science (my emphasis)
New Delhi, Jan. 23: Senior biotechnology scientists have questioned the rationale for public consultations on genetically modified (GM) brinjal called by the environment ministry to decide the fate of what could be India’s first biotech food crop.“I think this (public consultation) is absolutely unwarranted,” said Shantu Shantaram, a scientist who was among the world’s first regulators of biotech crops in the US during the 1990s and who says he strongly favours the introduction of GM brinjal.
“Science and technology decisions can’t be decided by popular vote” Shantaram said.
Oh, really? Naturally, our scientists look enviously across the border, where there is no vote.
Chen Weixiao 17 December 2009 Beijing: China's "landmark" granting of safety certificates to three genetically modified (GM) food crops has provoked criticism from green groups.The Ministry of Agriculture (MoA) gave the green light last August to two strains of GM rice and one of GM maize for small-scale field trials — the first time that China has granted safety certificates to staple food crops.
But the move did not become widely known until this month (December) when it was reported by local media.
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Clive James, chair of the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications, wrote in Crop Biotech Update in early December: "China's approval of biotech rice and maize is a landmark decision which can have enormous impact in Asia".He said China's exertion of "global leadership" could increase the adoption of biotech food and feed crops internationally, particularly in developing countries.

Is That A Lizard In Your Pants...
(#204417)...Or are you just happy to...
Oh, nevermind. Here.
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
Megan McArdle solves the stupid/evil debate.
(#204294)Deeply, ardently, both.
How is this stupid? The graph at the site covers that one. But how is it evil? How can you sit through a health care debate for an entire year, with all this information at your fingertips, yet hold to the idea that the purpose of health care reform is to kill Americans? That requires a sense of purpose, not just an incapacity to reason.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Megan. But then, I'm not a conservative.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
That privatised healthcare drives medical innovation
(#204325)comes as a result of the belief that private firm-developed pills are the reason of advances in healthcare.
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parentI'd tack on....
(#204326)....advances in surgical practice as advanced by individual surgeons, who are generally hoping to cash in thereafter in one way or another. Though this is in effect small business rather than Big Pharma.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentAre you familiar with the medical market?
(#204380)Because I haven't ever heard of any surgeon getting anything other than a personally nice but economically trivial reputation effect from pioneering techniques.
I'm serious, maybe you know something I don't. But my understanding is that surgeon rewards in this area are in the single digit millions, rather than patent corporate billions.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentDes, it seems to me....
(#204461)...that you're arguing that "single digit millions" is an economically trivial incentive for what amounts to a single-person small business. I think my understanding of the market is exactly yours ("reputation effect") but my interpretation of its significance to the surgeons and their incentives to innovate are vastly different.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentYour numbers are in the right range
(#204438)but I have a hard time calling "single digit millions" "economically trivial". Maybe you're living higher than I thought.
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parentI'm sorry; that was unclear.
(#204487)The essential conservative argument is that we need to throw Big Pharma a couple hundred billion a year, or they won't innovate. My response is that we throw Big Surgery maybe a few dozen million a year, and apparently they innovate just fine. Individuals are driven to innovate, and most of what we should be doing is enabling, rewarding happily, and getting out of the way. Corporations are not motivated by the same needs. They've got sociopathic shareholders.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentMy point exactly. - nt
(#204462).
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentIndividual surgeons do not cash into advances in surgery
(#204329)as operations, AFAIK, are not patented.
In any case, surgical therapies just as medical therapies need validation. Which mean clinical trials. Which mean large numbers. Which mean very large insured groups or public sector derived patient groups.
At which point, cue Mikhail Chumakov, Hilary Koprowski, Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin.
Finally, the majority of surgical therapies used today originated in work developed and validated in the public sector healthcare networks in the USA, Europe and Japan. The US public sector healthcare system is probably one of the best in the world. VA work is regularly quoted up there with the world's best centres, even though I believe not every doctor in the US wants to work there.
VistA, the VA's health informatics program based on FOSS is widely regarded as one of the world's best - superior to the privately developed Cerner Millennium, for example.
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parentManish, patents aren't what I'm talking about.
(#204463)As per the exchange with Desi, above, I'd argue that the monetary effects of an increase to reputation aren't trivial to a surgeon, particularly if you innovate in an area where people are willing to pay out-of-pocket.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentEngineers Innovate
(#204664)for a certificate of appreciation in a handsome plastic frame and perhaps a themed tshirt on product release. Money isn't all that motivates.
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parentBernard, this is incorrect. Surgeons are technicians.
(#204558)So some are good at their job. And therefore more people come to them.
You're assuming that surgeons are better because they innovate. That is not the case at all. A few examples. Christiaan Barnard, who invented heart transplantation, was a technically pretty ordinary surgeon from all accounts. Yet he was a great innovator. Contrariwise, the inventor of the modern joint replacement John Charnley developed his methods while working in the NHS for all of his career, with little incentive to innovate because he was enhancing his private practice.
A valid analogy to surgeons would be engineers - Fazlur Khan, for example.
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parentSingle Factor Graphs
(#204322)I wonder how much other factors that play a role in life expectancy would change the graph..., smoking, diet of corn syrup...people realizing that the US already rations health care based on how much a special magic trustworthy cloth one has.
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parentJoy
(#204278)http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/01/oh-my.html
Busted!
"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias
It would be fun...
(#204283)...to compare coverage of an actual felony versus a lawmaker versus the videos.
Or, in both cases, to John Edwards' hair.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentEdwards
(#204319)Edwards did act like a Major League A-hole throughout though, sex trumps most other news, especially nominally notable artist with an axe to grind done with possible editing tricks to make the possibly at least partly unreal, appear real.
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parentthey want to corner the market
(#204280)on illegal wire taps
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parentDept. of Fundamental Misunderstandings
(#204173)Shorter Radley Balko: Why would a district attorney want to charge teenage girls with child pornography for taking pictures of themselves in their bras? It's almost like he's more concerned with punishing and branding them to enforce a twisted, Puritanical code of feminine sexual submission than with protecting vulnerable kids!
The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
That is exactly the case
(#204330)And I'd bet if you asked him directly he'd respond with that reply and not see any problem with it.
I believe I heard that a bill has been introduced in Vermont that states any pictures taken by onesself and sent to friends via email, etc. won't count as the distribution of child pornography.
Currently, as said above, if someone under the age of 18 takes a sexually suggestive picture of themselves and emails it to their boyfriend/girlfriend, they are, under the law, considered to be child pornographers and must register as sex offenders.
This is so completely insane one must think that the law exists solely to criminalize all sexual behavior by minors. Other than actually knocking boots, mind you. If you're 16 in the state of Ohio, you can engage in intercourse with anyone you damn well please. However, you're not allowed to watch a film of other people doing it or take pictures of yourself doing it. How illogical.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentWatch out for that guy
(#204241)emphasis mine
I now have visions of Patrick Swayze's character in Donny Darko dancing in my head. I probably wouldn't want to see the list googled phrases Skumanick has done.
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parentThey don't have any beaches in Wyoming
(#204331)Wyoming is all mountains and cattle. It said so on a map I had up in my room when I was 6.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentI think they do.
(#204426)In California, lakes have beaches. Unless, of course, the terrain around the lake does not permit it. You should see this place on the any of the big three summer holidays. Some beaches are packed, and all have people.
http://www.aboutlaketahoe.com/beaches/map.htm
I'm assuming that at the larger lakes in Wyoming they call 'em beaches also.
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentNope
(#204437)In WY they're called stock ponds, and the terrain around them is covered with cow patties. And anyway, it's unsafe to walk around in a swimsuit considering all the cactuses (not cacti in WY), so those girls needed arresting for their own good.
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parentOf course there are beaches in Wyoming
(#204509)and pretty spectacular ones, too
LINK
I blame it all on the Internet
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parentThat would be one painful game of volleyball. nt
(#204540).
The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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parentDr Bernie Casey's series of maps?
(#204360)Or I think it's Dr Bernie Casey, I wasn't as fond of him as most.
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parentWyoming county = Wyoming state
(#204332)It's true.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentWhat does it mean to be a girl in today's society?
(#204175)There must be very little real crime in Wyoming. I suppose though we can at least be grateful that he has some sort of urge to "reform" these flagrant criminals. I hope he also has the car thiefs writing essays and going to classes in order to feel ashamed of who they are.
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parentOh, no, there is real crime in Wyoming.
(#204210)This is his priority. He's a conservative. This is what a guy who's into "purity balls" will do.
Did you think that feminists were making all this patriarchy stuff up? Because, um, they weren't. If you're a feminist who has internalized the notion of patriarchy, this response is expected and understandable. If you're not, it isn't. I guess the question is why one would choose a philosophy which fails to explain how the country works on a day-to-day basis. I suppose it depends on priorities.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentOh my God
(#204090)"Chuck Toddler informs us that Obama, in SOTU, will push for 3 year non-defense discretionary spending freeze."
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/01/giving-up.html
Is this ... can this be true ... ?
Obama has already run the risk of splitting the Democratic party over health care reform, but it might have healed.
If this is true, just forget it. He's singlehandedly killed the party.
Snk, stop getting so excited. This could be dangerous.
Des., some of us might be in need of your zen right now.
BG, stop giggling or I swear I'll come down to the Dallas F-W area and keep your neighborhood up all night by blasting bee-bop.
This broke through the zen.
(#204128)I had accepted that Obama didn't want to be a good Democratic President; it never occurred to me that he didn't want to be President at all.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentIt's Just One Sister Souljah
(#204099)moment after the next.
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parentPresident Barack Obama will
(#204093)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/obama-spending-freeze-the_n_436244.html
Defense and homeland security can grow, but the 'relatively small portion' of the rest of the budget and any possible stimulus spending is off-limits.
And he'll still get heckled by the right. I'm flabbergasted. I laughed when i read a couple days ago that Evan Bayh thought there might be a spending freeze in the SOTU.
Yeah right, the D party is going to do a spending freeze with over 10% unemployment.
Plus Obama ran against McCain's spending freeze and lampooned it in the debates to great effect.
Taxing health care benefits and a spending freeze. 'Post-partisan' apparently meant 'moderate Republican'.
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parentYou wound me, sir.
(#204092)Here I was, busy looking for the source, while you were badmouthing me. :^(
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentI cannot worry of your wounds sir
(#204095)when mine are so much greater.
I now find myself naked in a ditch, fearing for the coming storm.
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parentmy advice to you:
(#204098)get rich or die trying. Stop worshiping Richard Feyman -- he was an abject failure as a modern American.
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parentusername is kicking a man in a ditch!
(#204100)I saw him!
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parentA shrinking middle class
(#204107)10% unemployment, bubbles followed by extremely tight credit, health care costs, energy costs, and now a freeze on domestic programs don't affect upper-middle+. Even this so-called liberal government is sending everyone the message to get on that boat or drown.
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parentSee you down in Arizona Bay
(#204109)I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentI Wanted to Post some Comments from Eschaton
(#204094)...but the language is not fit for our polite society here.
In fact, there is nothing I can add without using my own bad words....(except maybe the rumor is not true)
Traveller
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parentGary Farber could use a little help
(#204038)His story here. I was a donor for a couple of years but had to cancel.
"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy
Wow. I knew Gary's been in trouble...
(#204132)...for a while, but I had no idea just how bad he'd gotten. Thanks for the link. I'll try to scrounge something up for him.
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parentFrankly, I Thought it was Dirty Game and Badly Officiated
(#204019)...the game even turned me off to NFL football, if this is the way it's going to be, and I am a great fan. I hope that the Colts/Manning kick the snot out of the cheating, dirty playing, New Orleans Devils.
I watched the first half in a bar in San Francisco International Airport....and while we were generally hooting an hollin` bunch of strangers thrown together by the random mix of Airport Human Being Roulette, after the first two, not called, late hits on Brett Farve, some New Orleans fans turned to me and confessed, "I want the Saints to win, but not this way...that's just dirty play...why aren't the Refs calling it?"
And I was dumbfounded myself.
It seemed obvious that the Officiating was, while not entirely going to be in NO's favor, they weren't going to call the game right and there was a specific will to let Brett take a terrible beating without calling any penalties.
I saw the end of the third quarter in a California Pizza Kitchen in LAX.
Then, watched the end of the 4th Q and Over-time at an Applebee's somewhere off the Long Beach Freeway in Commerce, I think, of all places. I couldn't just listen to it on the radio, I had to see the game and be with people, so I got off the Freeway.
And wish I hadn't.
Everyone in the packed Applebee's groaned at the 12 men in the huddle call against the Vikings at the end of regulation....it was, of course, the correct call. But we all knew what Farve was going to do on the next play...as did the New Orleans Defense.
During Over-Time, there were, in my opinion, three incorrect Boot Review Calls that undeservedly kept the New Orleans drive alive and the ball in their possession.
Seriously, fans were unhappy.
The Vikings could win, but the Refs wanted to New Orleans to win this puppy. And did their best to help the almost hapless Saints to the finish line.
Or disgusted might be a better word.
A nasty game, badly officiated.
Traveller
The officiating was poor
(#204091)they missed calls and of the ones they made plenty were bad. The ball must have been dipped in bacon fat because it should be known as Fumbledome.
But there were plenty of great plays and great individual efforts. It was a closer game than anyone had any right to expect. So I'll side with Zelig and say I thought it was a great game with some serious faults.
I blame it all on the Internet
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parentPerhaps
(#204082)You missed the Alamo Bowl a few years back between Michigan and Nebraska, even the guy in the replay booth had some ax to grind.
Refs aren't infallible
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parentFurther I Will Opine that you Won't be Seeing Payton
(#204083)...taking hits like this in the Super Bowl.
First, I presume it will be a different crew anyway, (each having their own personality I guess).
Secondly, Commissioner Goddell will look at the tape and go, "Holly stinking pile of guano, Batman! No more of that...not with Mr. Manning!"
Just watch, there will be no late hits on Manning in the SB.
The thought of Payton Manning laying injured on the ground in the Super Bowl, is Goddell's absolute worst nightmare.
Take that to the bank.
And which is why the Colts will win going away.
Traveller
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parentThat was the single ugliest game I have seen in years
(#204021)Late hits on a 40 yr. old quarter back, penalties galore, bad calls, and then my home team who couldn't hold onto the ball to save their lives.
It looked like a beginning season game between two teams destined for losing seasons vs. a division championship.
By the end I was just glad the embarrassing game was over and I'm agreed that it turned me off of the NFL as well. I may not watch the super bowl.
really neither NO or MN looked like they deserved to be in the superbowl.
The NFL commissioner should just crown the Colts champions right now b/c the NFC didn't produce a team that meets a minimum threshold for being in the championship game.
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parentWow! Someone Says it Straighter and Better Than Me...
(#204025)All the commentators commentating and saying what a great game New Orleans and the Vikings was....it was a terrible game...and Adrian Peterson's dropsies...Crap!
As you correctly note, neither team deserved to be in the Super Bowl.
I officially sign on to what Catchy writes below:
By the end I was just glad the embarrassing game was over and I'm agreed that it turned me off of the NFL as well. I may not watch the super bowl.
really neither NO or MN looked like they deserved to be in the superbowl.
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Best Wishes, Traveller
And Catchy's closing Coda....lol
The NFL commissioner should just crown the Colts champions right now b/c the NFC didn't produce a team that meets a minimum threshold for being in the championship game.
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parentI saw another game.
(#204044)I was able to watch every play under optimum circumstances. HD reception. Small, uncrowded bar with a seat for everybody. Audio volume perfect, that is, high enough so you could pick up the commentary, yet low enough that you could ignore it. Seven or 8 large-ish 40" screens all over the place. I could even walk right up to one on close plays and lose myself in the picture.
As to the teams, not only do I love Favre, but I can never root against a team that had the immortal Alan Cedric Page, former leader of the "purple people eaters" and now a state Supreme Court Justice. I also wanted the Saints to win, because they've never been there before and it was TIME.
So I didn't care who won, as long as the winner is gonna kick the complete crap out of the loathsome Colts and dump their preppy quarterback in the dirt. I'll always hate the Colts for what they did to Baltimore when they packed up and fled in the night like a deadbeat dad.
I just didn't see the game the way you guys did. I hope it's available for download. Maybe then I'll see what you saw. I really enjoyed the game and didn't think the refs were trying to swing the outcome. I sure would like to have seen Favre limp back after that rough hit in the 4th quarter and march them down for a touchdown, but football is a complicated game and with two closely matched teams, there is a lot of luck involved.
Go Saints!
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentBD, maybe you should amend your subject
(#204011)something about word used which maybe an issue.
““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H
Heh
(#204047)Teabaggers use it every day. Sometimes explicitly, sometimes not. Sometimes they put it on signs, tho' their spelling is not always correct.
And you're worried about the appearance of the word in a subject heading?
Again. Heh.
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentHow would you know?
(#204061)do you have a link or something?
““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H
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parentGoldfish, man. Seriously.
(#204067)But thanks for the excuse.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentCome on, BD, edit it already.
(#204029)-nt
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parentBe my guest
(#204037)nt
"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy
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parentMod Responsibility....Further, I don't think BD Can Change It
(#204032)...now that comments are under the initial post.
Just go change it yourself...no big.
Traveller
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parentDone.
(#204059)I wanted to give BD the opportunity to correct it himself.
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parentYup
(#204015)In some workplaces having the word on your screen gets you in trouble, regardless of context and whether it's being quoted favorably or unfavorably. Worse, it might get the site blocked, and then I might have to do some actual work.
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parentReligious conservative used racial slur in reference to Obama
(#204007)Or more accurately, he called Obama the Farsi equivalent of the n-word.
But he's not a racist. Heh. According to his bio, Larijani is:
He would've been more politically correct had he said that Obama was light-skinned and that he had no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.
"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy
That's interesting.
(#204068)So it's your opinion that Reid's inappropriate use of language was viewed as correct on the left?
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentNo
(#204102)I think there was bipartisan agreement that what Reid said was patently stupid.
"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy
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parentGW Denialist
(#203977)I like days like this Spring like weather in the midwest, the reverse of days that the GW denialist always trump up. Those 1 or 2 cold days, in their part of earth that are abnormal, and those select GWD mock people that study the climate for their vocation, because of outliers. Their thinking is like assuming that Stalin wasn't a threat, because McCarthy was a nut, or acting like climatologist follow Al Gore's every word.
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That latter is pretty explainable.
(#203990)These folks live, by and large, in a world that lacks an objective reality. To them, there's no meaningful difference between fact and fiction, or what people say or what people do. That's why the tribalism is so important; if you don't have a strong personal foundation in understanding how the world functions, you need other people to take cues from. They think we think like they think. And since "empathy" is a dirty word . . .
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentFreaky chimera sculptures.
(#203953)By Kate Clark
Hat-tip Marginal Revolution.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
I think this one
(#203957)offers much better avatar stock.
Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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parentBad Paintings Of Barack Obama.
(#203948)Courtesy of HuffPo.
Whoops, forgot a link to the site itself.
Edit: Is that a unicorn walking on water in the back? Also, WTF is up with the one where he's wearing a taco for a hat?
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
Serious avatar material.
(#203954)Which one to pick?
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentI might go with....
(#203956)...the taco-hat image, personally. But I like hats.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentI followed your link...
(#203960)...and couldn't find that picture. I kept clicking and the pictures seem to come up in random order. I gave up after I'd seen every image twice.
I'm fond of the Picasso-esque cartoon drawing, but a taco shaped hat would be cool also.
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentTacos
(#203972). . ..
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parentThanks.
(#204036)That website sucks. I actually went back and tried again to find it. It was kinda like rolling the dice and never hiting the right number. Now that I've seen it, I agree it's the strangest of the bunch.
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentYeah, seems you get a random selection....
(#203967)...each time. The one I'm talking about was more than a little weird. The Obama girls and some buff dudes were in it, and it appeared that the Mexican flag was flying over the WH, which would fit with the taco theme. Passing strange and, unlike most of the rest, I'm guessing not painted by a fan. And extra incoherent.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentHealth Care Tips...From Iran
(#203939)A good read. Here.
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
Bravo! - nt
(#203943).
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentHealth care compromise?
(#203906)Speaker Pelosi and the White House float a trial balloon of some reforms that could be passed piecemeal. One of them (emphasis mine):
Interesting. So this effort to pass the "most popular" pieces of health care reform omits mandatory coverage for adults with pre-existing conditions. Now, it's a funny thing. A guaranteed-issue provision is among the most appealing elements of reform, enjoying the support of 76% of Democrats and 55% of Republicans. Clearly, when Democrats label it unpopular, they don't mean it's unpopular with the public. Perhaps they're referring to some other constituency?
The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
Homeboy, the only way...
(#203925)....guaranteed issue works is if coupled with a mandate. Otherwise the rational person stays out until they need it. Now check how well a mandate polls.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentYou could have
(#203966)some in between options, like "guaranteed issue with one year waiting period", or the ones my employer uses: (a) guaranteed issue anytime, but pre-existing isn't covered for the first year, and (b) guaranteed issue with immediate coverage of pre-existing conditions, but only on a magic day that happens once per year.
BTW: even with a mandate, one strategy would be to go with the minimum insurance that keeps you out of jail, and then switch to Cadillac coverage the day you get sick. The regulator's response is fairly predictable: keep tightening the regulations until all plans are more or less identical, and there's no point to having a choice.
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parentAll roads lead to single payer. -nt-
(#203978).
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentOr the complete opposite... -nt
(#203998).
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parentLogan's Run? -nt-
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"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentha
(#204048)chuckled a little at that one.
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parentQuite possible, but then....
(#203970)....they present their own problems (i.e. the waiting period will seem inhumane and could be the time when the biggest bills are run up -or- outrage when the gates you're suggesting actually keep people out of the system, as expected)
Either way, though, my point is that the two things being examined, guaranteed issue and mandates, are under the current conception tied together. Polling for them as two separate things is like asking people if they'd like a new car for free and then asking them if they'd like to pay a car manufacturer $30K for no reason.
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parentVery true
(#203936)One wonders, however, why the only option being discussed is to pass the insurer-friendly component of reform, with a vague IOU to come back and "fix it later", rather than the other way around.
Or rather, one doesn't wonder. But you get the idea.
The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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parentI Knew FDR; FDR Was a Friend of Mine Dept.
(#203904)Some Democratic "consultant" on CNN said, in response to a gibe about running against Bush, that the Democrats successfully ran against Herbert Hoover until 1952. True. Of course, they were also enacting substantially different policies than Herbert Hoover's. Details!
The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
The Americans are coming
(#203893)http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/greene.haiti.american.aid/index.html
Bob Greene is such a mawkish old crone.
(#203913)While it's true, "the Americans are coming" was once a cause for a frisson of joy in the hearts of suffering people everywhere, that's no longer true. Four million Iraqi refugees, that's about half the population of Haiti, are still displaced by America's idiocy. Nobody talks about the refugees of Somalia and Darfur these days. The Hmong, very dear to my heart, are being forcibly evicted from their camps in Thailand, sent back to their deaths in Laos.
Lost in the welter of human tragedy are the refugees themselves. We see their plight but do we see them? When the next crise du jour arrives, there will be another concert featuring well-meaning actors and singers, tearfully crooning sappy old songs, but nobody's calling for the abolition of Haiti's kleptocracy and the creation of a meaningful government for the worst-run nation in the Western Hemisphere.
The Americans came to Iraq. It's now a wreck. It's an Islamic state run by a pack of Shiite zealots. When we leave, (and it's happening even now), these quarrelsome beneficiaries of our treasure and blood will again return to their endless bickering and the refugees will go on suffering.
The American military came to Haiti, over and over and over. It's a wreck, and it was a wreck before this earthquake, and nothing we've done there has helped the Haitians. We backed the most ferocious and oppressive dictators this hemisphere has ever known: Duvalier, père et fils, and that maniac priest Aristide. More history and less chamomile tea for Bob Greene.
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parentFootball Is Stoopid
(#203872)This will show just how little attention I pay to football. I'm doing the dishes, watching the kitchen TV and the last minutes of the Saints/Vikings game. After figuring out that Archie Manning is not dodging the rushing Carl Eller, I pause to watch the Saints receive the kickoff in OT, and march down the field, and prepare to kick a field goal. At which point the announcers state the obvious that wasn't obvious to me: that this kick could (will) send the Saints to the Super Bowl.
Okay. Let me get this straight. The most important play in a game that sends one team on to the most important game of the year? It's a coin toss.
Really? Win the toss, win the game, and the other team never gets a chance to score? That's like winning an extra inning baseball game in the top of the tenth. I can't think of any other sport that ignores the most basic concept of fair play -- each team is afforded equal opportunity -- and turns the most exciting possible outcome, an overtime, to be decided by a...coin toss.
Am I missing something? Anything?
Only 26 days until pitchers and catchers report. Thank God.
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
I actually really don't understand this very well.
(#203941)If the teams are tied at regulation, apparently they're so closely matched that it really is down to luck which one wins. I mean . . . what else could it mean?
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentUnfortunately...
(#203909)I can think of a game. World Cup soccer, when it is settled by penalty kicks. (which okay, is pretty rare.)
My peeve about football is the waiting:action ratio. I think only golf's is higher.
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parentBut even with PKs
(#203918)... each side gets their three chances, right? Not that it's a great system or anything, but I thought it at least avoided the nonsense of deciding a game by coin-toss.
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parentBut American football is really stylized infantry battle.
(#203912)Lots of waiting around in that sport, too. I've often joked with firefighters: "It's just like infantry: a life of boredom punctuated by a few seconds of sheer terror"
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parentFootball is no more stupid than most sports, and smarter.
(#203907)Herodotus, who wrote the first tour guide, wrote about the Temple at Delphi. Even then it was a tourist attraction, and was even then in ruins. He said "The untutored eye sees nothing"
American football is full to bursting with arcana and tradition, so I love it. For me, it's the totality of the experience: as with music, a topic you know far better (than most of us), football is much better live than on the television.
Baseball is nothing if not its officiating: every strike is a judgment call, every pitch a duel. I came to American sports later in life: it's never been a case of natural affection. I had to wrench myself out of cricket mode. But again, cricket, like baseball, survives translation to radio and print, where football just doesn't.
The greatest improvement we could make to American football is this: the announcers should STFU during the play. Patter is fine in its own way, but with football, I just turn off the sound. Put on some music and watch the game properly, without the idiotic banter.
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parentAn exception that proves...
(#203934)...your observation. There was an announcer that could properly narrate a football game live on the radio. Bill King announced, solo, for the Oakland Raiders. He also was the voice of the Warriors, and the Oakland A's. He died 5 years ago.
His command of the language and his ability to instantly translate visions into words was unmatched. Also, King is probably the only sports announcer to ever receive a technical foul when he loudly disagreed with a call during a Warriors broadcast.
In my opinion, he did his best work in basketball, though I also enjoyed his football games. In fact, I believe he was the best football announcer ever. When he announced baseball he was also very good, but not exceptional. I never followed the A's closely, so I may be biased in this regard. All in all, I've never heard better, and I doubt we'll ever see another football announcer as talented as Bill King.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_King
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentBill King!
(#203938)One of the nicer things about living in the Bay Area back then. That and Herb Caen. Remember when Bagdad by the Bay was a term of affection?
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentI do.
(#203945)I actually got a mention in Herb Caen's daily column way back when. He was commenting on my colorful 1956 Chevy panel truck with the humorous and somewhat offensive slogan painted on the side.
Me: We! -- Ali
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parentI think the theory is...
(#203897)...you're supposed to try to win the game in regulation.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentYes, As It Is In All Sports
(#203899)Except maybe soccer.
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentexcept in the knock stage their is OT and then a shootout...
(#203915)nt
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parentDoesn't Hockey Still Allow Regular Season Ties?
(#203902)I'm not sure--I intentionally remain as ignorant as possible about the sport in order to annoy my brother-in-law. ]:-)
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentFive Minute 4-on-4 OT,
(#203929)Then a penalty shot shootout.
Purists hate the shootout 'cause it's wrong to settle a team game with a one-on-one duel. Purists really hate the NHL's points system: Two points for regulation or OT win; one point for an OT loss. The so called "loser point" keeps marginal clubs in the playoff race for much longer than they would otherwise be.
I've enjoyed the shootout, but I lean purist. Either allow regular season ties, or, better, switch to a College Football style system. Instead of starting from the 25, give each club a sixty second power play. Start at 5-4 for the first round, then to drop 5-3 for subsequent rounds.
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parentHockey playoffs
(#204104)If you ask me, 5 min of 5 on 5, then 5 min of 4 on 4, then 5 min of 3 on 3...all the way down to 1 on 1.
That'd do it for me.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentAll sports
(#203908)Have provisions for overtime and/or other tiebreakers in playoff and championship matches, except for some Olympic events. Including hockey.
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parentIf That's The Theory. . .
(#203898). . .then games deadlocked at the end of regulation should all be ties--which is how it was in the NFL for many years. Problem is, in the postseason you need a winner to move forward to the next round right then and there (unless you just want to play the game again the next day, which is utterly impractical for football and would be grueling for basketball). I don't see any real merit in introducing such a large element of chance in the outcome of a game that is, by definition, quite important to the final part of the league's season.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentThe problem they're solving,
(#203901)and it's a real one, is that the players are already worn down from the season, and injuries only pile up as they get more tired during the game. The game has to end. If you don't want it to be luck, try leading at the end of regulation.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentIt is crap
(#203876)but you go to the NFC Championship with the overtime system you have. It's not the system you might want or wish to have at a later time.
I'll be sad to see football go but there is always hockey to pick up where football left off. That and, of course the odd baseball game on television to help me with sudden, acute insomnia.
Most boring game. Ever. Hell, womens' curling is more exciting. Then again, I like curling a lot more than is healthy.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentGrrrrr
(#203882)Just for that: Why Is Baseball So Much Better Than Football? (1987)
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentFunny
(#203889)... although #19 doesn't read quite the same way in 2010 as it probably did in '87.
Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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parent20 too, but in a different way
(#203894)It's snowed at baseball games before, with accumulation.The 1st 5 are him complaining about music he doesn't like.
90 is him ignoring plays at the plate, throwing at a batters head.
88, losing a whole game is trumped up, and ignoring things like that the best pass rushers might average a sack every 30+ attempts
83 he can stfu
Baseball is a more boring version of cricket filled with racist, homophobes, and John Rockers of the world, or maybe that was just my high school baseball team.
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parentWell, I Disagree
(#203900)And there is no football equivalent of Mark Fidrych, or Bill "Spaceman" Lee, or Satchel Paige, or...
Oddly enuf, given the regimented nature of the game -- run to first base, then second, then... -- there are probably more eccentrics in baseball than in any other sport.
It's also the only sport where I've actually met a player and thought, "Hunh. He looks smaller in person."
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentI like everything about baseball....
(#203903)...except baseball. It's a great place to hang, and I love the long season with many, many games. But the sport itself is so boring!
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parent#94 & #95 Look Shaky Too. . .
(#203890). . .given the weather that World Series games are often played in these days.
My favorites, of course, are these:
26 The best football announcer ever was Howard Cosell.
27 The worst baseball announcer ever was Howard Cosell.
#26 is an exaggeration, of course--if not actually libelous to a number of announcers who thrived before, during, and after How-ard's days in the MNF booth. I'd sum up both comments with the following sentence:
Football has no Vin Scully.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentThanks, Scott
(#203888)I just printed it. And this line is a keeper:
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentWhen I first read this I
(#203911)When I first read this I chuckled because my wife, by definition a woman of quality, used to go to baseball games with her father but couldn't tell you how many points a safety is worth. But then I thought of the corollary : my mother. She thinks baseball is for sissies and lectures me on the finer points of this or that football defense every time I talk to her.
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parentcould your wife, fillout a score card
(#204024)my children learned basic statistics working through box scores. two of them learned to love baseball. the other not so much, until she married a Yankee fan.
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parentYup, you're missing something
(#203875)First of all, you're doing the dishes.
Second, teams don't just "march down the field". There's a group of players called the defense, and if they do their job the other team doesn't march down the field, in fact the team on offense could either punt or have the ball taken away from them - and if you watched the game, you would have seen that it happened with amazing regularity during regulation time in that game. If you had watched other playoff games this season you would also have known that a field goal is anything but guaranteed, even a short one.
I suppose in baseball they should add another half inning for the losing team to try to score again if they go into extra innings?
I blame it all on the Internet
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parentScott's Right (As He Usually Is. About Baseball.)
(#203886)Your argument is no different than suggesting they should play sudden death in baseball because the team in the field has a chance to stop their opponents from scoring in the top of the inning. Heck. Who needs a bottom of the tenth?
It makes no sense. And again, there's no other sport that does it this way, and for a reason.
But hey. Nobody ever said football was, you know, *smart.*
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentHa
(#203892)and nobody ever said baseball was, you know, *exciting*.
I blame it all on the Internet
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parentNo, Because The Number Of Half-Innings Are Even
(#203881)And extra innings go one at a time, with each team getting another shot to score runs. Can you imagine a basketball game being played as sudden death? The same arguments that support it for football apply equally to basketball, and yet they decided not to go that way. I wonder why?
Admit it--the college system is better.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentYou're comparing apples to oranges
(#203891)Basketball will (usually) have somewhere in the vicinity of 150 - 250 scoring events in a game (not including foul throws). Football (usually) has 2 - 15 scoring events in a game. Baseball (usually) has 2 - 20, but doesn't play with a clock.
I don't think the college system is better, for the same reason I don't like domed stadiums. I prefer it when the weather is part of the game. Chance is part of the game, and should be.
Baseball has it's own issues - why are the dimensions of every stadium different? You may say it gives them "personality", I think it gives some teams an unfair advantage. What's with the instant replay rules in baseball? Is the point to get the correct call or to preserve the "character" of the game? Every sport has its idiosyncrasies.
And FU for making me talk about baseball (I'm kidding, of course).
I blame it all on the Internet
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parentI am going to have to agree that the college system is much
(#203914)better... Each team gets a chance to keep the game going...
It is the only major sport that has this problem...
In the world cup you go to a shootout... five shoots each team if still tied then then each team gets another shot.. until one makes it and one misses....
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parentThe New College System For OT Is Better
(#203873)As can be seen here. I'm sure there's some secret guy code reason why it's considered too wimpy for the NFL. On the other hand, the NCAA won't give up on the lame BCS system and just give us a real playoff already, so that's a point for the NFL.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentCollege still starts too close to the endzone
(#203878)A 10 minute extra period, followed by college style OT starting at around midfield would be better IMO.
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parentIt Could Use Some Tweaking
(#203880)But it's the right general idea--it's not the wrong way to do it in the basic sense of things. Also, moving the starting point back would give a huge edge to teams with elite placekickers, for better or worse. Alex Karras would not be amused.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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parentI have rocket arm
(#203887)There are still a good deal of players that are in the NFL because of skill-related abilities, and not for skill at the game, they normally have one of the following
A rocket arm.
Run fast, in straight lines, when no traffic is around.
They're something around 6'3" 350, and are hard to move around.
Some of the bigger lineman, are damn near just there because of their size and the have not much more than the ability of not falling over when touched.
Kicking is not as easy as some gifted with great size for their day might think.
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parentIt still has problems
(#203877)Starting from the 25 is way too close; it usually nets 3 points for a 3-and-out. They should start at mid-field.
I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia
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parentTheif
(#203879)You stole my start from around midfield idea.
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parentYep
(#203874)And that's what I was vaguely familiar with, and therefore expecting to see tonight.
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parentYikes
(#203871)I called my father a few minutes ago and asked, "Is Adrian Peterson Swedish for Wendell Tyler?
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
A 180 Memorialized In Crystal
(#203864)A-Rod wins 2009 Postseason MVP Award.
Probably should have won Comeback Player of the Year, too--but comebacks measured between February and October don't count, alas.
Babe Ruth's granddaughter presented the award, by the way--does that make him a True Yankee?
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
fun in the sun
(#203863)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tHaIVogrtI
Rock-throwing morons.
(#203933)Why are so many Palestinians dumb enough to engage in this behavior?
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parentAmazing.
(#203905)Colour footage of the Warsaw Ghetto.
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parentSo Which Is It?
(#203861)Memo to The One: at least get your minions to lie consistently. This whole numbers changing by the moment routine was old when it was Tailgunner Joe's schtick.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
I just clutched some pearls in your honor. -nt-
(#203865).
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentThe uselessness of Republicans.
(#203854)Obama is about to make an obvious, major staffing error. If we had an actual opposition party, rather than a bunch of America-hating nihilists, they'd do something about it.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
Incorrect on both counts.
(#203932)Gentle Ben is a better pick than most, and did what was necessary in the last two year. Obama is correct to re-appoint him, and those members of the GOP that threaten to block him are in error.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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parentPretty useful, actually
(#203930)He should be reappointed, and he'll likely get enough GOP votes that reappointment will happen. Economists like Hamilton at EconBrowser agree with Obama, and so do loyal liberals like Brad DeLong and Mark Thoma.
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parentAwwwww
(#203853)Look at all of the cute little astroturfers spreading praise of The One.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
Rrriiiiiight...
(#203859)'cause we all know the Republicans, virgins to the last man and women, whose kids are all products of immaculate conception, would never do that.
In other items that might be news...
*Water is wet.
*It's dark at night.
*The Pope is a practicing Catholic.
Ease up on the faux outrage, friend. You're gonna stroke out...
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parentWarblogging in the NYT!!!
(#203842)Well, Internet Flame Wars , anyway.
Interesting (if, as usual for the dead-tree media, a bit belated) piece on Charles Johnson, Little Green Footballs and the recent online tizzy his recent "apostasy" has sparked in the starboard blogosphere. No news, I'm sure, to inveterate bloghounds like the informed and intelligent denizens of The Forvm, but it's rare enough that serious discussions of meta-blogging issues get into the mainstream press. Well worth (IMO) a read.
For me, the nut graf was this:
Yep
(#203855)A good piece, and worth a read. Thanks!
“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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parentA study on smoking
(#203838)6 months, and then visual exam by a quack, I'm convinced
(#203850)n/t
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parentIf we'd had the internet back then,
(#203851)there would have been 17 diaries on how this study "disproves" carcinogenic tobacco.
"A milk cow with 310 million tits" -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.
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parentAfghanistan is not worth fighting over.
(#203836)Thus the the latest Doha Debate last week.
A couple of hours left to pick the NFL games..
(#203832)It has fallen off the front page... so here is the link
http://theforvm.org/diary/hankp/nfl-2009-playoff-week-2
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