We cannot cook potatoes.


While reading K's recent diary about being a couch potato, I suddenly realised the difference between the East and West. The answer - East of Suez, We.Cannot.Cook.Potatoes.

I trialled this theory in our local restaurants, including Chinese. No potatoes. Over here, we drop potato chunks in a curry and pretend to like them. The Chinese, Viets and Thai seem to avoid it as far as possible (I have no experience with Korea and Japan). The Goanese will sometimes drop them in a concoction called a vindaloo, and the people in the West make something called Bombay Potato (links have good recipes).

The surprising thing is the complete absence of even a reasonable quality of chips (as the Brits call 'em) - possibly because we haven't worked out the double frying technique. Even McDonald's fries taste different, even horribler than in Europe if such is possible. Potato wedges similarily. Item meat and potato pies and other similar combinations - even when cooked in fancypants restaurants. And we can forget the flights of European fancy - the frites, rosti, raclette.

So there we have it. A clash of civilisations, if ever there was one. Perhaps it is to do with the laughing Buddha looking a bit like a potato, and thereby ingestion being sacrilege?

Edit: I forgot potato salad, possibly the finest side dish in existence. Incidentally is it OK to add red chilli pepper flakes to a potato salad?
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You all have taken a deep observation by manish (#112342)
by catchy

and turned this diary into a recipe exchange.

you have ignored the Buddha in favor of a starchy Betty Crocker.

I only hope this is the final illusion.

Silly catchy (#112348)
by HankP

there is no final illusion. It's just turtles all the way down.

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I Resent That (#112344)
by M Scott Eiland

A microwaved hot dog with cheese sprinkles isn't a recipe--it's a lifestyle statement.

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Double frying.. (#112139)
by athenas owl

This is true. I make fries at home. The kind of potato makes a difference, too. Too dense or too grainy, and you get problems.

Also the sugar content of the potato. If the sugar content is too high, the fries will be limp.

I cook mine for about seven minutes in oil in a wok. A little peanut oil for flavour and vegetable as the bulk. Olive oil and the like won't work, they just don't fry well. Then remove them, let them cool and then refry them till golden brown. The great thing about the double frying thing is that you can do the first stage anytime during the day, so you can get on with other dishes and do the second stage almost last so the fires/chips are nice and hot.

And yes, you can add red chili pepper to your potato salad. There's a different potato salad recipe for every person that makes it here in the U.S. I add curry sometimes. Depends on the mood. My grandmother made an old classic with the French's Yellow Mustard, the potatoes were almost mashed and had homemade sweet pickles in it. Not a fan of yellow mustard myself, but hers was wonderful.

My comfort food is simple mashed potaotes, loving Yukon Golds, with butter, salt and pepper...and half and half or sour cream mixed in. A big bowl makes me very happy. With good butter.

We only get one sort of potato here (#112321)
by mmghosh

unfortunately. Or two - if you count new potatoes.

Which I think is part of the problem. The texture is completely different.

Mashed potatoes with sour cream sound great. Only we don't get sour cream. I'll try it with our local sour yoghourt. Doesn't it download straight onto the waistline?

Yoghurt will work, too! (#112338)
by athenas owl

The sour yoghurt will impart a tangy flavour. Sometimes I use plain yoghurt and it's nice.

Butter will give them richness.

What kind of potato do you get? Aside from the new potato, which generally don't work...I agree.

Sometimes instead of cut fries, I'll slice to potatoes very thin and fry them the same way. Not quite like a potato chip (do you call them crisps?), but better I think. Perhaps your potato would work that way.

Crisps is an Britishism, I believe. We call them chips. (#112359)
by mmghosh

We do do that, but we have a problem in that they have to be eaten fresh they go limp in the monsoons as at present.

in Britishese (aka the Queen's English): (#112395)
by JKC

"crisps" refer to what we in the States call potato chips, or chips for short.

What the British and you call "chips" we call "fries" or French fries. Which are named for the way the potatoes are cut, not after the country, which was apparently unknown to a couple of particularly stupid American Congressmen (even by the low standard set by most Congresscritters.)

Mr Gosh--you can make perfect 'chips' (#112137)
by Kierkegaard

by cutting the potato into strips, brushing the sides lightly with olive oil and salting, then baking at a very high heat. You may have to interrupt to flip them if they stick. I don't know how to cook--this is my wife's recipe; your wife may enjoy trying it if she cooks for you, since the result is simple, healthy, and tasty. Spices and sauces can be added or dipped.

E-mail me at: KIERKEG@excite.com and I'll send you an e-book 'Care Package'. I can even include some Banks if you like. I have about a quarter-million titles, though some have scanning errors. The files are quite small, however, and you should be able to download them over your 'dial-up'.

I can cook (#112332)
by mmghosh

which seems to be something of a rarity here, learnt at the time of having to look after myself abroad.

I preferred to buy and cook rather than go down the processed and ready meal route - much cheaper, of course.

Hard to believe (#112107)
by HankP

since potatoes are so easy to cook. I would recommend not trying to fry them in ghee, that might be part of your problem. It also depends on the potato - Russets (big brown ones) are good for baking or frying; white, yellow or red potatoes are good for baking or boiling.

Here's a recipe that's easy and works well - clean a bunch of potatoes (leave the skin on, just scrub them), dry them, then cut them up into ~2 cm cubes. Put them in a plastic bag or container with several tablespoons of oil, a tablespoon of sea salt, and some chopped Rosemary and ground black pepper, then shake it up so all the pieces get covered in a thin layer of oil. Put in a single layer on a cookie sheet or baking tray then bake for about 45 minutes at 350 F (175 C) until they start to brown. Even I can make this.

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To deshi-fy it, what say to using a good garam masala (#112124)
by BlaiseP

sprinkled over your oiled and salted potato cubes, just before baking? The French say the potato has no character of its own, but properly spiced, it takes on any character.

Baking in very uncommon in South/East Asia. (#112324)
by mmghosh

We get it the way you describe, but fried, not baked - I guess you might have had it served up to you in that way.

Baking is uncommon over here, except for the tandoor (which is middle eastern of course, not traditional here).

The Portugese brought baking and baked bread to India, which is still called "pao", as in "pao"-roti. Consequently, as pao means bread, and roti also means bread, sliced bread is often called "double-roti"!

Actually, I took your complaint up with the deshi ladies (#112375)
by BlaiseP

down at the Dunkin Donuts. They're Gujarati, so they're influenced by other cultural factors. I have a dutch oven, a deep cast iron pot with a lid, serves admirably as a substitute for a regular oven.

I also have an electric wok, which is a perfect tawa pot, anyone can make great rotis and paratha in an electric wok. Speaking of which, spicy potatoes make a fine paratha, provided you can find amchoor powder. Coriander and cumin, cilantro and limes anyone can get.

(as Homer Simpson and Apu) Mmmmm... paratha.

BP if you're ever in this part of the world again try smoked (#112382)
by mmghosh

hilsa - its like smoked salmon, only better.

Speaking of which, I had smoked fish down in Alabama in April, but didn't get the name of the type - brought over by someone from his home. I found it awesome that people actually smoke fish at home. I didn't have the heart to ask him if it was a living art.

We have smoked shad, very similar to the Hilsa fish. (#112394)
by BlaiseP

Depends where you are in Alabama I suppose. On Mobile Bay, you can get almost anything. They have a phenomenon called the Jubilee, the bay becomes deprived of oxygen and the fish rush to shore, jumping in the shallows where they can be caught with dip nets.

Home smoking is alive and well anywhere you can catch a reasonably oily fish. In my area of the country, the upper Midwest, we smoke whitefish. My friends have a big chimney smoker, a modified steel garbage can.

It's very common in the Northwest (#112403)
by HankP

especially salmon, as one would expect. It's also a very common way to cook ribs in this area.

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The only rule (#112183)
by HankP

I have when cooking is that there are no rules, just experience that gives you an idea as to whether something will work or not. As far as I'm concerned, every recipe or dish is "spice to taste".

If the potatoes are fresh, and especially if they're red or gold potatoes, the salt, black pepper and Rosemary are enough. I disagree about character, the browning will bring out a nice nutty flavor in the potatoes. This is caused by the caramelization of the surface from high temperature.

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I blame it all on the Internet

Rice, of course, is an unknown concept to Northern Europeans (#112325)
by mmghosh

to go slightly off topic, just as potatoes are to us. I would have said all Europeans but for the existence of paella and risotto.

To return to your point, I accept, too, that there are no rules in cooking, but it does appear to be a liberal viewpoint! Liberals eat better - but we have to wait and see what MSE et al have to say about that.

Not really (#112336)
by HankP

at least if you consider Poland part of Europe. There are plenty of Polish dishes made with rice, especially baked goods.

As to liberal vs. conservative, I suppose not following the recipe exactly could be considered liberal, but that might be taking the classification a bit too far.

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And Finnish (#112369)
by Kierkegaard

And Russian.

Yeah (#112402)
by HankP

and probably just about very other European country. I just mentioned Polish because that's the one I'm familiar with.

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Not really. Rice (#112404)
by mmghosh

is not common as a normal culinary staple in native preparations in Scandinavia, Germany/Austria - or France/England for that matter.

The UK was full of expat Poles when I was there in the earlier part of the year. All the superstores had plenty of the dried Polish sausages - which I certainly thought were excellent.

HP, I learn stuff from here all the time. (#112360)
by mmghosh

Here I was thinking Polish food was those great sausages (the dried ones, I mean), dumplings and cabbage. I looked up sites and found this.

To be fair (#112400)
by HankP

the most well known Polish dishes are kielbasi (Polish sausage, heavy on the garlic), golubki (basically a large meatball wrapped in cabbage and served with tomato sauce) and pierogi (dumplings stuffed with a variety of fillings but mostly made with mashed potatoes). Like other Easterm European cuisines, they're also heavy on mushrooms and various game meats. I make homemade pierogi occasionally, they're very good but it does take a few hours to put them together.

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And speaking of sausages (#112361)
by mmghosh

thats another things we don't do well in the East.

Although we do have some local sausages in this part of the country (herbed with coriander and lemongrass) but especially the ultra-fiery types from Goa and Mangalore.

No they don't (#112328)
by Macallan

At least not better than this conservative who doesn't cook, but married well.

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You can get to the best restaurants, of course. n/t (#112330)
by mmghosh

Don't Look At Me (#112326)
by M Scott Eiland

My idea of gourmet cooking is sprinkling cheese on the hot dog before starting the microwave.

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a poor substitute for paneer (#112104)
by Micky Love

The only Indian food with potatoes that I like is the pureed spinach with potato chunks. And even this is a poor substitute for paneer, the cheese that will not melt. The rest of East Asia is uninspiring, as you say.

Some of the nicest experiences with food in East Asia are with Sweet Potatoes, especially roasted on charcoal during winter. The song of the 'yaki imo' vendor as he wheels his cart through the streets has such a magnetism to it that academics have studied its variants across the islands.
http://www.japanitup.com/ishiyaki-imo-312/
The bonsai sweet potato was rather a disappointment.

Laos doesn't really have a winter but some of the villages in the hills get rather chilly at night. Huddling together at street stall eating the very same roasted sweet potatoes is very satisfying.

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Cheese, Micky, has to melt after cooking... (#112334)
by mmghosh

paneer only works for me in koftas. But maybe I'm too European-influenced on this.

We do get some good cheeses, this one is my favourite, really Himalayan cheeses should be as good as the best Alpine cheeses. But...

Travel news of North East India
Kalimpong cheese : a vanishing recipe
Kalimpong, April 14. - One of the most famous exports of this sub-divisional town is today crumbling under a mould of neglect. Kalimpong Cheese - as it is known in the region - may not be quite the world-famous Cheddar. but aficionados of cheese assert that the product still appeals to the global palate. But today it is just a couple of households that keep alive a legacy of the town that once famously exported around 2,000 kg of its cheese to Kolkata per month. The art is dying, when it could be the source of a flourishing cottage industry for a part of the economically backward Hills.

At 7 Mile, in the outskirts of the town, 62-year-old Mrs Soma Lama, dismantled the sign - Papu Dairy - from above her house last year. The dairy was one of the main sources of cheese and lollipop (another specialty of the town) in the region. Mounting losses and the visits of taxmen, Mrs Lama laments, has virtually forced her to call quits. Like most people who made cheese in Kalimpong, Mrs Lama had worked in the famous "Swiss Welfare Dairy" - which used to be then located next to the St Augustine's School - for nearly 38 years. The dairy was set up in the 1950s by a Swiss Jesuit Father, Andre Butty. The missionary, who died in 1987, was responsible for first introducing the cheese and the lollipop manufacturing to Kalimpong. With his demise, however, the dairy shut down. Over 100 local villagers, like Mrs Lama, were employed in the dairy.

After the SWD collapsed, Mrs Lama and five other women employees got together and set up Papu Dairy. "In the heydays, we used to make cheese from around 200 litres of milk every day. Now, we make only a kg or two of it in a week," she notes.

Not only has the quality of milk procured by Mrs Lama from the village drastically fallen and firewood hard to come by, but since the last three years, taxmen have started visiting and debiting them. "The authorities should be actually helping us as self-employed rural women, but instead, they are taxing us. We cannot continue this way," said Mrs Lama. Moreover, her lollipops are not selling any more because cheaper and inferior quality lollipops from Siliguri - which use dalda instead of ghee and powder-milk instead of milk - has proliferated the market.

But across the town, in the remote Upper Icchay Bustee, 73-year-old Mr Dhan Prasad Sharma presents a relatively sanguine picture. He is presently among the four manufacturers of Kalimpong cheese. Although Mr Sharma has taken to producing cheese from a shack near his house only since 2001, his products dominate the "Kalimpong Cheese" market.

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