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We seem to be ahead, in time.

The Australian Open is further ahead, too. A United Nations event, in its diversity, this time.

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Conservative paradise found.

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Desidiosus's picture

And it's not even full of scary brown people, like Somalia:

This tax-averse city is about to learn what it looks and feels like when budget cuts slash services most Americans consider part of the urban fabric.
More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops — dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.
The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.
Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.

Of course, no problem doesn't have conservative solutions:

Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as "Ferrari"-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

It's going to be awesome watching the impassioned pleas for debt servitude. It's only class warfare when we fight back.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Obama splitting the party

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Atrios attempts to weather it:

Blogging In The Age Of Obama

I admit it can be a bit annoying at times, not as bad but in some ways similar to blogging during primary season. There are people who think they are noble truthtellers for explaining how Obama is the awesomest ever, and people who think they are noble truthtellers for pointing out how foolish we all were for voting for him instead of... well, not quite sure who we were supposed to vote for. I'm not writing this in a Broderesque "nuts to the left of me, nuts to the right, must mean I'm just right" way. People can legitimately believe Obama is awesome, and they can legitimately believe he's awful, having different priorities, interpretations, and understanding of things which can't necessarily be known. In other words, people can disagree about stuff! This does not bother me. What's annoying is getting from both sides an accusation of being some kind of a sellout or dupe. By both sides I don't mean all people, I mean in the sense of coming from some people from both directions.

Unfortunately, Obama has reversed so much from his campaign and hit the left so hard on the issues they care about, especially health care and civil liberties, liberals have a duty to push other liberals to realize that Obama does not represent them, is not their political ally, and is not their friend.

I agree with Armando -- the biggest failure of the net roots/new progressive voices so far has been in not quickly realizing that Obama is a triangulator and treating him as an unsympathetic target to pressure.

That wasn't really a failure of leadership.

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Desidiosus's picture

Most of the folks who've been around for a while know what the deal is in general. The problem is the folks who got activated by how awful the Bush years are, and didn't understand that Bush wasn't an aberration.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Maybe

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Do you mean 'the deal' = pro-corporate/military/establishment policies almost always win?

I'm not sure that was written in stone. I think we've got an ego-driven post-partisan schtick that is internalized b/c Obama and others believe their own BS.

That's optional, not good policy, and not good politics.

The "deal" is...

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Desidiosus's picture

...that Bush was, until Katrina, a wildly popular President. And that wasn't just due to people being stupid; it was due to the fact that our electorate contains a number of crazy bigots. In addition, the traditional political media is just fantastically hostile to the idea of making sense.

Obama was always going to drift right. He could never be President of just Bluelandia. It was always going to be our job to push and push. And he was always going to stab us.

I didn't think it would be in quite such a self-destructive, stupid fashion -- but I knew we'd have to be pushing. Conservatism is malign, and DC is run by conservatives.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Holy S*&^

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Get. A. Life.

I blame it all on the Internet

The Onion

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brutusettu's picture

Thanks for reminding me of:
"Walking Sports Database Scorns Walking Sci-Fi Database"
At least he's probably not wasting one of the otherwise greatest minds of his time try to turn lead into gold.

While We're Having Fun....

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...I did not feel up and squeeze the breasts of First Lady, Michelle Obama last night!


Rep. Seeks Retroactive Immunity For Anyone Who Hit On First Lady Last Night Which is not to say I didn't want to.

Traveller

Arrest Tony Blair!

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http://www.arrestblair.org/

More evidence that Monbiot is essentially silly.

Ah. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .tasty, tasty schadenfreude. Once again Mr. Blair, my thanks.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Concentration gradients, not intelligence nt

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I blame it all on the Internet

Catchy headline

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and all that.

pH gradient = intelligence

Sometimes it seems that way

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in fact, sometimes I'd take a pH gradient over what passes for intelligence.

I blame it all on the Internet

Sports Subtext Theatre

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Serena Williams: "Bite me, Whitlock."

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Nice links, Thanks, That is One Strong Woman!...NT

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Traveller

Indeed. Professionalism in sport...nt.

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The response to this should be interesting

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Justice Official Clears Bush Lawyers in Torture Memo Probe

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

It's Bound To Be Muted. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .given the shrieking that will result from this.

Fifty years from now, this will be known as the Trial Balloon Presidency--they've launched so many that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Obama is personally responsible for the depletion of the Strategic Helium Reserve.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

President and the GOP have a conversation... vid...

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Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to intense skeptical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your

Kotter and The Sweathogs

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Kotter wins.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

They Should Have Studied

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Prime Minister's Questions for tips on how it's done.

I hope they continue to do this.

The Networks would never cover it.

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Desidiosus's picture

Seriously, can you imagine something which has to be more assiduously buried than how completely moronic GOP leadership actually is?

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Pence Is My Favorite

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That's a stupidity that cannot be buried.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

mine as well

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the only stupidity as Obama's new metric on a stimulus plan which wasn't.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

I thought he was kidding

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I remember Obama talking about how he really wanted college football to have playoffs and ditch the bowl system. But is he actually trying to institute this?

Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that the Justice Department is reviewing Hatch's request and other materials to determine whether to open an investigation into whether the BCS violates antitrust laws. ...

"Importantly, and in addition, the administration also is exploring other options that might be available to address concerns with the college football postseason," Weich wrote ...

"The administration shares your belief that the current lack of a college football national championship playoff with respect to the highest division of college football ... raises important questions affecting millions of fans, colleges and universities, players and other interested parties," Weich wrote.

I'm not a lawyer, but legally requiring College football to have playoffs? Surely there ain't a law for that kind of thing.

Anti-trust

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The same reason that Congress can get away with threatening hearings on a certain New England coach's videotaping the opposition. When the NFL and AFL merged, they became the only provider of pro football in the country-- and thus a monopoly. Congress gave them an exemption, and it's that card that they can hold over NFL's head every time they want to tinker around with it.

BCS could theoretically be seen as holding a monopoly on championship college football-- which means billions of dollars in guaranteed money (or at least guaranteed insofar as there isn't any competition). If the Justice Dept decided to go after BCS for anti-trust violations, they could bring the whole thing down relatively easily. A pretty big stick to wield, and one they should. One of the problems with monopolies is that they're prone to corrupt and arbitrary actions, and practically immune from meaningful innovation. Describes BCS to a tee, IMHO.

that's change I can believe

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that's change I can believe in

Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

More on the iPad:

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Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

Somebody should do a "Hitler Responds" mashup

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to "Hitler Responds" mashups jumping the shark.

I Thought That This Was a Most EXCELLENT Hitler IPad, & Pee-Wee

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...was great to see also. Paul Reubens is coming out quickly with immediate topical material...this also is most excellent.

But I really, really thought that this Hitler was good.

Traveller

And more yet...

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Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham

Anyone catch Question Time with Obama?

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Desidiosus's picture

The surest sign it was awesome: Fox News cut out of it 20 minutes early.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

This is getting some play

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This is getting some play from the big media outlets. Any opinions on what this means moving forward?

Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

It means Fox News can't handle the truth.

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Notice how they cut away early, to talking heads?

I can't wait for more of this sort of debate. The revolution will not be televised, in the words of Gil Scott-Heron. BlaiseP's update: the revolution will not be televised because television has to be pulled kicking and screaming into covering real news.

Who knew that you watched Fox News! nt

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““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Oh, and about my assertion the GOP will die soon...

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Watching the shrieky conservobitches carrying on about how the GOP screwed up by letting Obama in the door with cameras, this one is priceless:

It appears the perception is that Obama skillfully reached out to the STUPID Republicans.

Whoever set this up needs to be voted out this November.

There you are, Timmeh. Good thing you didn't put any money on it, haha. Oh, to be sure, there might be an entity which calls itself the GOP for a while longer, but it's going to be out in the weeds with Ron Paul, who may I add, makes a hell of a lot more sense than anyone in the GOP dumbocracy right now.

I definitely agree...

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Desidiosus's picture

that whatever moron thought that the morons the Republicans elect and promote would look good asking policy questions of Barack Obama, a former college professor, should be sacked.

This is a set of folks who not only don't know what plate tectonics is, they think they've stumped an actual intelligent person when they're gobsmacked by their ignorance.

Go to the page -- Barton is still claiming that Chu was stunned by the salience of the question, not Barton's stupidity.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

The hilarious, HILARIOUS!

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The hilarious, HILARIOUS! aspect to this is geologists and petroleum engineers, who work for the oil industry mind you, use these very same theories to get the damn oil this boob is talking about. Would Barton try and publicly humiliate oil executives for using these theories of the devil to get that sweet, sweet oil?

Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

The Alpha Omega Bomb

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brutusettu's picture

I think he must be a Young Earth Creationist, but the jury is still out.

Just establish the metric

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and the wager will be forth comimg.

Apparently, you didn't watch the give and take, given your final comment.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

I did watch the give and

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I did watch the give and take. They thought they could saunter in with some tired old talking points, bloviate and lie for minutes on end and get some nice soundbites. The pushback they received was not expected. Instead, Obama sounded reasonable and informed. The House Rs looked like a bunch of dissembling fools without the faintest notion of their own policies.

Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

Here is how it will play out, Timmy.

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Conservatism as a philosophy has never reconciled its elitists to hoi-polloi. Burke guided honest conservatism, but he's largely unknown to modern soi-disant conservatives, who play the class warfare game. It's rather like country music in a way, it's a sappy old song wrapped around a predictable lyric, sung by an ersatz cowboy who never rode a horse.

What lives on is a reanimated corpse. The party has nothing to say anymore, except NO. The party leadership is a collection of irritable old Alzheimer's patients, incapable of recognizing their own children. Ronald Reagan so perfectly embodied the GOP, right down to the Alzheimer's disease. America's falsest president. It's frightening, because the conservatism of Burke was unapologetic in its goals, and it was a genuine thing. Burke was for the American Revolution and against the French Revolution, because America's leadership was also frankly elitist. Nothing wrong with believing the best men should lead the others, folks.

But what we see now is a terrifying descent into oblivion. The GOP, like the fascists of old, in the true sense of that word, are against many things, but what they stand for is the aforementioned Country Music, patriotism of a particularly vulgar sort, a patriotism which stands for nothing and nobody. Plastic cowboys and endless war.

On to Sparta, cried the Athenians.

You continue to provide your opinion, I'm looking for the metric

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for a wager.

"The party has nothing to say anymore, except NO."

Again, I suggest you watch the video in order to expand your horizons.

With respect to fascism, it comes much closer to describing "progressives" than anything else you care to mention.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

No, we have the historical record of fascism

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to point to the unseemly incest between State and Industry. It always comes wrapped in the flag of Patriotism, as your sig implies. Now if you are interested in Debate, you must confine your opinions to the facts. Patriotism is not a Fact, it's a sort of quasi-religion, an article of faith. Justification by Patriotism is the hallmark of the fascist. Facts don't take sides, they don't have passports and they don't vote in elections. Mostly they're ignored. The only facts guiding which party we choose are economic. Facts be hanged, out of power, they blame the guy in power for problems they caused: the GOP is certainly as fascist as Franco ever was.

The GOP is in the process of inheriting the mantle of the Dixiecrats. The GOP has lost all credibility in two once-positive attributes: foreign policy and defense. Now they're just lost souls, reduced to wedge issues like God, Guns and 'bortion. Incapable of honest rhetoric, they simply lie and repeat their lies.

That's the problem with lying: after a while, the psychiatrists tell us, the lie replaces the truth in memory, until we believe the lie preferentially to the truth itself. The GOP continues to delude itself, much-exercised over nothing, and in the case of Fox News, shoving its fingers in its ears and shouting LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. Because they turned off the cameras, it's not that they can't hear, they refuse to hear, so powerful is the delusion and so fearful are they of challenges to their own psychotic fugues.

Read your own sig.

incest between State and Industry, you mean like General Motors

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where the private ownership is tolerated as long as it conforms to the dictates of the state. Again, thanks for the affirmation of tying progressives to fascism. I couldn't have made a better case.

As for the balance, still waiting for the metrics for the wager.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Timmy, this comment on GM

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is extraordinarily wide of the mark, even for you. "Dictates of the State"?? WTF? GM got along quite profitably for what, 75 years?, without having to particularly care what the "State" (by which I presume you mean the Federal Government) thought. Other than, I suppose, spending a great deal of time and effort vigorously fighting any government efforts to regulate emissions or fuel efficiency, etc.

Until of course, their own mismanagement finally drove this enormous corporation into the ground, and they had to go bleating to the G for a bailout to keep America's largest automaker (and, save for Ford, probably the entire industry) from totally collapsing into bankruptcy.

And you seem to think this has ANYTHING to do with "fascism"? Sorry, Timmy; just because the government has to aid a big corporation, there is no evidence that a Mussolini-esque Stato Corporativo is in the offing. Or is it just that "fascist" was the best buzzword you could think to try to make whatever lame point your #205128 was intended to convey?

IIRC, most "progressives" were, at best, lukewarm-to-critical of the GM/Chrysler bailout; accepting it (as, to be fair, did many conservatives) as the least-evil alternative to having 2/3 of the US auto industry vanish into the smog overnight. But, as they say in Detroit, YMMV.

Where I should I begin

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the Federal Gov't mandate that sub-compacts be manufactured in the USA.

As for the last paragraph, would GM/Chrysler have vanished? The second question is the US auto industy limited to Ford, GM and Chrysler?

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Well, Timmy, you might start

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with a little more-carefully-thought-out use of the term "fascism" - somehow, Federal regulation of national automotive standards (and btw, where is a cite for this "mandate" you mention?) doesn't seem to quite measure up to classic Hitler-Mussolini-Franco-style totalitarianism: lacking, you know, all the really good Fascist stuff like severely restricting political activity, violently repressing dissent, muzzling the press, purging the educational system, jailing critics, torchlight rallies, etc. (And no uniforms, either - how can you have a decent Police State without all those sharp uniforms, and snappy graphics, too? Sheppard Fairey ain't gonna cut it alone....)

I mean, if you really do believe that Federal CAFE standards and the like are harbingers of a putsch and a Night Of The Long Knives then you should make the argument directly....

Oh, and as for your second point, you're right: I should have qualified it as "American-owned auto industry":
the following list from Wikipedia clarifies it a bit (the 14* automakers building in the US):

# 1 General Motors
# 2 Ford
# 3 Chrysler
# 4 Daimler AG
# 5 BMW
# 6 Navistar
# 7 Paccar-DAF
# 8 Volvo
# 9 Toyota
# 10 Nissan
# 11 Honda
# 12 Fuji Heavy Industries-Subaru
# 13 Mazda
# 14 Mitsubishi
# 15 Isuzu

* There are actually 15 makers on the list; I think there was a conflation of Chrysler and Daimler

Chrysler and Daimler

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are separate entities once again (Chrysler is now partnered with Fiat (speaking of fascism), which makes a Chrysler minivan the cousin of a Ferrari!).

Daimler has a manufacturing facility in Alabama (SUVs and crossovers).

The "auto industry" probably ought to include all the upstream component manufacturers (such as the group that manufactured the accelerator pedals that have given Toyota so much trouble).

I, too, am interested in learning more about the mandate TtWD has referenced.

CAFE standard 1977 or 78

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where the Big Three's fleet had to meet certain mileage thresholds. It was structured to cover "manufactured" and "imported"; Detroit could not import autos to meet its fleet mileage standards.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Oh, so CAFE standards

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which, as you note, have been in effect for the last thirty years or so, are what you were referring to as a "fascistic" "mandate" wrt the US auto industry?

OK, that's a lot clearer.

Still pretty lame, and still little-or-nothing to do (except by a pretty vast stretch of definition) with Fascism, but clearer.

Ha. All regulation is "fascistic mandates", didn't you know? nt

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I blame it all on the Internet

Yep.

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Desidiosus's picture

The awesome part is that it was still true back in Hammurabi's day; he just didn't know it.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

It was a congressional mandate, as to where cars had to

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be manufactured.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

How 'bout some facts of your own?

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The dictates of the state. That's rich. Which dictates, precisely? Or are you like another famous Republican, Richard Nixon, who said laws don't apply to the president? Under the GOP's wise leadership, hundreds of good laws were stricken from the books. Now we reap the harvest your idiot buddies the GOP planted, or more precisely the mudslide because the GOP denuded the landscape above their own houses.

Every time you say "thank you", as if I've made your point for you, is a treat. Like Humpty Dumpty on Glory, I gather you believe Progressives are what you say they are and not some mutually agreed-upon definition. The GOP was mighty progressive whilst it held power, it pushed the envelope everywhere with its mandate for change. You guys changed the world alright, and thank God Obama's changing it back.

The Progressives I know don't much like Obama, because he's not as aggressively partisan as they'd like. Obama says he wants to talk to his enemies: he's called an appeaser. But when he wants to talk to the GOP, and does, the same assbiters turn off the cameras.

Must have hit a nerve, since you are now changing the subject.

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If you know anything about Fascists, particularly the Nazis, the making of laws was critical to their taking over society.

Praytell, what exactly is Obama changing back? Where has Obama appeased? Todate, Obama has turned off more cameras than anyone else in D.C., except for Nancy and Harry. Does that make the Democrats the party of "assbiters"?

BTW, still waiting for the metric, so a wager can be made.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Don't condescend, Timmy.

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I do know a thing or three about fascism. Wrote several papers on it, mostly about Italian and Spanish fascism, guided mostly by the work of Norberto Bobbio. Don't presume to tell me the fascists made laws: they said they were above the law, and they did away with any semblance of democracy. They were fundamentally authoritarians: their word was law.

What has Obama changed back? Oh, plenty. Look at his legislative record, especially his foreign policy. We're right back to Clinton, and his Secretary of State is a Clinton. Do try to stay informed, it's wearisome pointing out the obvious to you. We are freed from the authoritarian GOP, which decided in its infinite wisdom and fascistic ideals, that corporations are wiser than grubby little politicos.

Godwin's Law notwithstanding, there is more than a whiff of fascism to the GOP these days. Note the reliance on Patriotism, (the masturbatory fantasy of the ill-civilized), on its litany of grievances (mostly about the power of the state, though their priapic lust for power is embarrassingly palpable), on the cult of personality and not the embrace of reason. Incapable of conversation, they pound the pulpit and damn the government, as if it wasn't their government, too. When Reagan uttered "The government is the enemy" he duplicated the statement of Mussolini: "The liberal state is a mask behind which there is no face; scaffolding behind which there is no building."

It is the State itself the fascists hate. For them, it all Das Volk. That the Democrats or Republicans alternate in running the show, that deals must be made, that mandate must be respected, that the public good ought to transcend our partisanship, all this is nothing to you and nothing to the GOP.

Heh. Who, indeed?

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Fox News reminds me a bit of the bad old days of Pravda. When glasnost stuck a knife into the Party Line nonsense, I took up reading the North Korean state organ. It's more fun than listening to Jon Stewart rant, since the Fox morons actually take themselves seriously.

I have a taste for that sort of thing. I read and translate for WatchingAmerica. A country, like a man, is more accurately judged by his collection of enemies than his collection of friends.

Yeah, I watched it on Fox, and began to laugh when they cut away to their Talking Heads.

So, do you take Fox News seriously?

you either struggle with the here and now or with history

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(maybe both) given your comparison, FNS with Pravda. remember

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

Oh Timmy. Why did Fox News cut away to its talking heads?

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Riddle me that? One of the most important debates of the hour, their boys in the ring with Obama -- their ring -- and Fox can't handle it.

Fox News is fun, let's face it. Stupidity is funny. Tendentious idiocy and dogmatic tripe has been the stock in trade of comedians since the Greeks.

Given the balance of your comments

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you didn't watch the give and take and you are now trying raise an issue rather than discuss what happened between the House minority and the President.

As for the balance, I can only assume that you diligently watch but don't listen to FNS. Tendentious idiocy and dogmatic tripe is when only view is presented but I'm not going to bring up Keith.

““I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!”” –H

watching it now, pretty good

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watching it now, pretty good stuff.

Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

He's a....

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

....hypocritical scumbag. But you knew that already.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Looks like he needs the money after his film bombed.

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LINK.

Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

Don't know how much Capitalism, a love story cost to make

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And didn't see it on a quick Google, but Farenheit 9/11 had 6 million production cost, so tho 19 million at the box office isn't great, it's probably still decently profitable.

We're talking a documentary here.

Yeah, but Michael Moore is fat!

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Desidiosus's picture

And Cheney just swam the Yangtze River.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Good reason to move the KSM trial:

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Desidiosus's picture

"It would cost much less money elsewhere." That's a good reason.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who originally supported the plan, reversed his position this week and called Holder to lobby for moving the trial outside lower Manhattan. The city has claimed it will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars to provide security for a court case that is expected to last at least a year.

"It makes me pee my bed every night." That's a bad reason.

In addition, six senators on Tuesday wrote to Holder and urged him to abandon the idea.

The letter read, in part, "You will be providing them one of the most visible platforms in the world to exalt their past acts and to rally others in support of further terrorism."

So the funny bit here is that I know the parties of the senators involved (GOP and CFL), and I'm not really upset any more that they're cynically using our nation's security from real threats as a football. It's what they are.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Mass murder is a great way to get your message out in court.

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This is due to the well-known "Blowhard Rule" in Federal Court. You see, any person accused of a crime at the federal level has the right to testify on their own behalf, and this right means that the judge has to allow defendants to fulminate at length about any and every grievance against state & society they can dream up. Not only that, but the Blowhard Rule once invoked forces the bench to allow media & TV crews to broadcast the proceedings.

Yep, there's no better way to expound a new doctrine, or blast enemy propaganda over the airwaves, or hell just freeform rant for 8 or 10 hours. Yep.

Another convicted murderer I think....

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

.....should be executed. But he'll get life instead, more's the pity.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Moving away from fossil fuels.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Obama will propose tripling size of loan guarantees for new nuke plants to $54 billion.

I'm telling you, I'm getting to where I could actually vote for this guy.

President Barack Obama, acting on a pledge to support nuclear power, will propose tripling loan guarantees for new reactors to more than $54 billion, two people familiar with the plan said.

The additional loan guarantees in Obama’s budget, which will be released on Feb. 1, are part of an effort to bolster nuclear-power production after Obama called for doing so in his State of the Union address Jan. 27. Today, the Energy Department plans to announce creation of a panel to find a solution to storing the waste generated by nuclear plants.

Dunno how he's gonna get around the Yucca Mountain thing, though. That pledge, while politically necessary during the election, was a mistake.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Funny

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how free market advocates see nothing wrong with massive subsidies to private companies (including liability exemptions).

I blame it all on the Internet

Are you kidding?

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

I see huge problems with subsidies. But I am first and foremost a realist. Barry's clearly going to subsidize something, they all do. That's how they prove their "doing something". So why not cheer when it at least goes towards something I'm interested in? Better that than farm subsidies.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

How amazing

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stinerman's picture

Subsidies are the devil unless they're subsidizing something you like. It is refreshing to find a political philosophy so nakedly unprincipled.

I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia

You're going backwards

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increasing subsidies will never reduce subsidies, it just adds more people at the table who will fight to keep the subsidies rolling along.

I blame it all on the Internet

S'okay by me.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

I don't believe subsidies will be lowered short of a genuine fiscal crisis, so more competition for the existing pool is ok.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

You don't think this is a genuine fiscal crisis?

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does it have to be like the Road Warrior or what?

I blame it all on the Internet

Not yet.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

As long as everybody's getting paid but you can still buy a loaf of bread without a wheelbarrow being involved, things are ok. :^)

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

That's actually the best explanation I've heard...

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Desidiosus's picture

...for why Japan took so long to reform, and so half-heartedly.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Pissed Off!

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Way pissed off.

The Edwards lede right above it is pretty funny, too. "Edwards Staffer Remembers When Boozing in Moving Vehicles Was John's Biggest Problem"

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

That's one well paid mistress nt

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.

I blame it all on the Internet

That's hilarious

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The lies we're tempted to tell for some sex and adventure.

Bin Laden weighs in on climate change

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His latest missive could have been cribbed from DU.

"Talking about climate change is not intellectual luxury; it is an actual fact," bin Laden said. "All the industrial countries, particularly the great ones, are responsible for global warming. The majority of them, however, signed the Kyoto Protocol and agreed to end the emission of harmful gases. Bush Junior, however, and the Congress before him, rejected this pact to appease the giant corporations."

The terrorist is anti giant corporation and pro Noam Chomsky.

Bin Laden cited leftist intellectual Noam Chomsky, who he said "was correct when he indicated a resemblance between the American policies and those of the mafia gangs. Those are the real terrorists."

Right. The real terrorists are not the ones who highjack commercial jetliners and fly them into buildings. Got it.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

Heh.

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Desidiosus's picture

Red-baiting went out of style, and of course the plantation meme is dead. But terror-baiting . . . now there's a proven winner for the long haul.

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

Let the

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brutusettu's picture

Reductio Ad bin Ladanum fallacies begin anew for GWDeniers very soon.

Then bin Laden to America, "until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Who cares if morale is worse because of the beatings."

Marketing for the Family Biz

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Great. Now doubling or tripling our petroleum consumption and carbon emissions will become part of our national security strategy.

When shoes attack

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George W. Bush isn't the only political figure who had to deal with shoes approaching him at hard-to-dodge velocities. Israel's chief justice had the same experience (except the shoe actually hit its mark), and so did Sudan's strongman al-Bashir. If I were to launch footwear at leaders, I'd rather do it in Israel than Sudan.


"I think BDog would make this place interesting." --catchy

The lie of Republican fiscal competence

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is once again revealed for the total BS that it is. Why anyone who didn't vote for Eisenhower still believes that the GOP is fiscally conservative is beyond me, it's one of the bigger and more hypocritical lies of our political discourse.

I blame it all on the Internet

No, they are the party of fiscal conservatism

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stinerman's picture

Because fiscal conservatism means "no money for poor people, especially the swarthy kind". Republicans would be happy if our 3 trillion dollar-or-so put 60% to defense. Never can enough money be spent on defense.

I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia

Because that unravels the lie of two sane parties.

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Desidiosus's picture

That's the big issue; how do you walk back from a "struggle of ideologies" to a "pretty straightforward Marxist class struggle" narrative?

"A milk cow with 310 million tits"  -- Alan Simpson, Barack Obama's co-chair on deficit reduction, describing Social Security.

 

For Any RPG Fans Out There. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .I thought I would call this to your attention. Raising $150K (and counting) for Haiti relief at $20 a pop is an effort that deserves to be encouraged.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

cheer up, catchy!

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The states are picking up the ball that the federal govt dropped -- California moving toward statewide single payer:

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ca-senate-singlepayer-health/

I'll cheer up when Arnold isn't governor

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'til then my prospects of moving back to CA appear pretty dim and that makes me aaaaangry.

Que?

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

What specifically about the Governator makes it difficult for you to go back to CA? The current disfunction in CA government appears, to an outside observer like myself, to be nearly identical to the traditional disfunction in CA government.

To put it another way, what changes for you the day after Arnie leaves?

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

'course it's much larger than and somewhat independent of Arnie

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but he's screwed things up worse than they would've otherwise have been and is one impediment to things getting better.

I'm curious as to how California could

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Possibly raise the money for single payer, especially given the absolute inability of that state to raise taxes.

Our Ballot Will Also Include

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a measure to legalize and tax marijuana.

I haven't researched this, but one assumes it'll be tied to a mandate of some sort, as with auto insurance here, which will provide most of the funding.

Some Pay for It Details

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The price tag would be paid by pooling all state and federal money currently spent on health services, which would require federal approval, along with a payroll tax that would be paid by both employees and workers. In a previous incarnation of the bill, that tax was set at 16 percent. The financing is not part of the latest version. Backers also think the single-payer system will greatly reduce administrative costs, which also would help pay for the system.

More power to you.

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

Seriously. I think it's a pretty dumb idea, particularly under conditions where costs are difficult to control and the producers and/or consumers can leave relatively easily. That said, I applaud the experiment and, assuming it goes through, CA's willingness to try it out.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

I'd be really interested in seeing

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What happens if the measure to legalize marijuana passes. There's the problem of federal laws, and the further problem of the fact that a lot of the distribution networks tend to be run by some very, very bad people.

What Model said

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Once it goes above board, the legal system-- the method for dispute resolution used by every other business in the US-- can step in and do the work currently being done by bad guys with guns. You'll see as many bad bad people in the drug business as you do in any other business-- but, hey, at least they won't be violent.

The Federal Goverment

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is definitely a problem.

The other one is less of a problem, as one result of our medical marijuana laws has been the development of a number of less shady producers and distributors.

Legalization would allow the less shady to step further forward and control more of the market.

Manuel Alvarez Bravo, Deceased Mexican Photographer...

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“When one takes a photograph, one doesn’t think about saying anything in particular,” he said as his 100th birthday approached. “One doesn’t think about making a statement but rather of creating something visual which can later bear a meaning that one didn’t intend to transmit — depending upon the viewer’s interpretation but not necessarily on the photographer’s.”

I quote him because it seems true to me; and important, (and equally true in other arts also).

Traveller

"Fall of Andrew Wakefield, "

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brutusettu's picture

The "dishonest’ doctor who started MMR scare"

Big Pharma Conspiracy!11

Andrew Wakefield, who in 1998 claimed an unfounded link between the vaccination and autism, “showed a callous disregard” for the suffering of children, subjecting them to unnecessary, invasive tests, a hearing found. ...He received £50,000 to carry out the research on behalf of solicitors acting for parents who believed that their children had been harmed by MMR, but could not account for how at least half this money had been spent.

He also did not declare any conflict of interest to The Lancet medical journal, which published the research.

Never underestimate the power one quack has. Especially when they can have a legion of followers, including sadly, Bill Maher.

Maher is almost right

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stinerman's picture

Diet is the major driver of overall wellness and good health. We like to have our cake and eat it too, and then again after dinner and then one more slice before we go to bed as not to waste it. He just goes a little bit out there on some of the conspiracy theory stuff.

I, as you know, knock on all drugs outside of the ones that actually fight disease. I gave up caffeine a few years ago and haven't felt better in my life. I haven't been to a family doctor since my high school football physical, mostly because I haven't needed to. My opinion is the overuse of caffeine does us more harm than we believe.

I think it is up to the judge to say what the Constitution provided, even if what it provided is not the best answer, even if you think it should be amended. If that's what it says, that's what it says.
-- Antonin Scalia

And Don Imus, mostly his wife Deirdre.

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I am an early riser and I used to watch Don Imus on MSNBC. He was a lot of fun, good for a laugh with the first cup of coffee. But once he got onto his vaccine bandwagon, he went downhill fast. Manufactured outrage really gets to me: there are enough genuine problems in the world without maniacs and quacks like Wakefield ginning up fake problems.