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Rahm Emanuel's been killing HCR for the WH, because Obama's playing his own game.
Hell of a thing, holding your own country hostage to teabaggers. Well, his funeral. And most of ours, I guess.
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)...............And now for the rest of the story.
As stupid as that question seemed when Catchy read it, ... well ..., it really wasn't that stupid at all. The question got properly answered, and the asker thanked everyone who didn't insult him. The song in question is a really popular hypnotic Dance/Trance piece called Sandstorm. Although Dance/Trance might not make it into your iPod rotation, this song, when I heard it live in a crowded dance club, was stunning and pretty unforgettable. Since dance club DJs rarely announce what they play, I can understand the frustration. It's funny that somebody was easily able to answer such a crazy question, now that I think about it.
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )...that lets you sing a song into your computer's/iPhone's mic and id's it for you. Amazing.
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| parent )it goes like
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--I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )of your mental gears spinning
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| parent )I thought Hank's gears would sound more like a steam engine. You know, one of those rickety old jobs with giant rivets on the boiler, creaking & groaning. "Hank's Olde Engyn for the Making of Decisions"
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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| parent )can laugh all you want. You'll be lucky if you're half as sharp as I am when you get to your 50s.
--I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
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| parent )Just ignorant and poorly worded. ;)
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )'way instain'? Couldn't even interpret that bit.
you definitely found a dumber Q than me. Congrats.
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| parent )My theory is "do something about insane" which became "do away insane" which became "way instain."
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| parent )Here's her teleprompter.

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--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )Sara's $500 dollar handjob.
--"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias
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| parent )"No Sarah, you can't just write this stuff on your hand."
Seriously, can you imagine the stress in preparing someone for national televised debates who feels the need to write 4 topics on her hand in order to answer simple questions she's been given in advance?
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| parent )Which I don't have any reason to not believe it since it is ostensibly an AP photo.
I find it odd that she decided she'd write on her hand rather than on a sheet of paper. I would never begrudge anyone for having notes when giving a speech, but why write on your hand? Is this high school?
It's almost as if she knows that she doesn't know what she's talking about, everyone who cares to listen to her knows she doesn't know what she's talking about, and the media knows she doesn't know what she's talking about, but no one seems to care or thinks this is normal behavior.
It wasn't that long ago that we ridiculed Dan Quayle for his moments of stupidity. He's a Rhodes scholar compared to Palin. Why have standards fallen so far? Why do we no longer demand our leaders have even the vaguest concepts about the basic issues? What's wrong with us?
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| parent )They haven't. Reagan had pretty advanced Alzheimer's during his second term, and the media conspired to cover it up. None of this is new. A philosophy which is hostile to thinking will be strongly in favor of stupid people.
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| parent ). . .there's certainly a good dose of Palin Derangement Syndrome floating around, leading to a level of voluntary gullibility that would result in several Brooklyn Bridges being purchased if the condition was not alleviated before interaction with the outside world.
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| parent )You got to save your quality snark for occasions that require it. This is fairly obvious, and has little or nothing to do with gullibility --
Except perhaps your own, if in fact you're willing to believe the poor dim bulb didn't write cheat notes on her hand.
But I'm guessing it has more to do with cynicism anyway. Whatever it takes, right?
Good luck with that!
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Do you have a problem with a politician writing Cliff's notes on their hand?
I still say that Palin has to be a performance artist. Her shtick has gone beyond funny. People actually believe it.
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| parent )to believe that Palin would write something like that on her hand intentionally hoping to get attacked and become more of a martyr to some and/or make it appear like she isn't part of that phony-bologna in the box thinking that pen goes on paper, not hands.
How many times can one claim they helped in the invention teh internets before they get called out by people somewhat close to them ideology?
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| parent )Those that believe in her believe in her the same way they believe in God, namely that they'll discard any evidence that calls their beliefs into question.
If she is the performance artist I think she is, that was a great move.
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| parent )Nobody took him seriously as a Republican, until he started winning elections. Bush43, same story. You could get a parsnip elected in this country with the right backers, and some people really do like parsnips in high office.
Nobody has ever once mentioned the fact that the last few months of the Bush administration featured the weirdest run-up in gasoline prices in recorded history. Things that make you go "huh". Call me a conspiracy theorist, I'll understand. But Bush43 was the Corporate President and his friends all made out like bandits. Not like bandits, as bandits. And so did all of Cheney's buddies.
As a military contractor, the Bush43 era was very good to me and my bottom line. This makes me a bit hypocritical in my complaints, I suppose. But I wasn't the only leech or tapeworm in that system. May I add in passing, two of the five systems were complete failures, and all five were political boondoggles.
There's a contingent of scholars who say Hitler was put into power because his backers thought they could control him. Those who slap their foreheads and say "Oh here he goes again, Godwin's Law!" should think twice, for it's truer than ever with this new SCOTUS ruling. Keep this tendency in mind when examining the politicians we elect, for those who needs lots of money to get elected are seldom above prostituting themselves and their positions to get elected. This has been true forever, and it afflicts all the political parties. The stupid and telegenic are eminently electable. The insightful hardly stand a chance.
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| parent )...is what puts it over. That's the kind of comedic genius you can't make up; you have to genuinely be absolutely moronic to create that kind of crazy. Simply put, no sane person would ever do that, because it's so fantastically stupid that it would be unbelievable in fiction.
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| parent )Now I'm paranoid, it seems very possible that she is waiting for the Russian invasion of Israel. Hopefully she's not donating to the Rebuild the Temple Fund.
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| parent )for the lady who thinks no one will notice if she scribbles stuff on her hand, then stares at it on CNN in order to answer simple questions like 'What are 3 things conservatives should do when we get back into power'?
But people who pt. out she's not w/in reasonable bounds of intelligence for a national leader are 'gullible'.
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| parent )were the hand notes reminders she used for a speech, or an interview? Maybe I'm the dim bulb around here, but anytime I'm presenting in front of a group or on a conference call I always try to boil down whatever it is I'm addressing to a few words on a legal pad. I find it works pretty good in case my nerves get the best of me before a group, or the conversation on the conference call moves in a specific direction for awhile and I forget to inform the group of a point I wanted to share. Both of these things have happened in the past so I find a couple simple reminders helpful.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )How many times do we have to have this conversation? We're not upset or outraged; we're amused. Sarah Palin is really, really stupid, and she keeps showing it in ways that only a really stupid person would show. She's also ignorant, uncurious, venal, and regularly cruel. She's Sarah Palin, and she's the most honest symbol of the conservative movement one could ask for.
Hey, man, vote for the movement that elevates stupid people if that's your thing. But we're not required to respect it.
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| parent )but because I do more or less the exact same thing I can't exactly snicker at jotting down talking points. Well I could, and maybe that might win me some acceptance into the tribe, but it would be dishonest.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )Sorry. That decision was made some time ago. As for Palin -- and you, apparently -- I'm guessing you didn't think to write your talking points on your hand. Also, these were apparently not talking points, but rather the areas to be covered in the fake Q & A that followed the speech. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
And just to be clear, given everything we know about Palin to date -- her answers to various questions, her statements on the issues of the day -- would you be so kind as to give us the benefit of your opinion regarding her intellectual capabilities? Frankly, I'm curious, again, given the available evidence, what kind of assessment you would make.
This should be fun.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )is her insincerity, at least that's what comes across to me. It could be she's completely sincere in everything she says, but I don't pick up on it. That's the impression I'm left with, much more so than her intellect. As to judging her intellect I don't know, not as smart as Obama or Cheney, at least as smart as Bush if not Biden.
No, I don't write talking points on my hand, but it could be because I'm not as green as Sarah Palin. I would expect Manish to if I ever catch a speech of his though.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )But it's weird. I actually think she's completely sincere in what she says -- but like the goldfish with the five second memory*, what she says and what she's sincere about are subject to change and therefore not necessarily consistent.
But, like any good actress, she believes what she says in the moment. Absolutely.
As for her intellect, I'm guessing you would be straight-up stunned by how deeply stupid she is.
*The goldfish canard has been revised, btw. Three months is apparently the memory span. And I have no idea how they measured it.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Palin doesn't think, ever, so she doesn't believe, ever. She's just saying whatever she thinks will make her audience happy.
Though, in general, as you'll note from the teabaggers in general -- there isn't really such a thing as a conservative philosophy to serve. Once you see Palin, it's hard not to see other conservative pols as her refractions through a funhouse prism.
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| parent )not possessing a unifying philosophy. It is a populist movement and like all populist movements it's just throwing bread to the masses.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )I haven't heard anything different from standard right wing libertarianish.
They hate taxes and big government, immigration and gun control, non-belligerent foreign policy and social spending.
Looks to me like the same-old dressed up in 'Constitutional tea party revolution' garb.
Is there anything else going on? If so I missed it.
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| parent )which trickles into spending, but their stances on immigration, gun control, and foreign policy are new to me. As would be where they generally come down on gay marriage, drug legalization, and other social issues.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )...at the very first convention, during his very first speech, called for a return to poll literacy tests.
I feel like I'm pretty clear on what the Tea Party Party (?) is about.
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| parent )The problem isn't "jotting down talking points."
So, remember when we had that whole "Obama = teleprompter" thing? That was really stupid, right? Because politicians run themselves ragged every day, and it's more than reasonable for them to need memory support to keep on message and articulate. Separate from that, there was never any sense that Obama didn't know the stuff. His teleprompter usage, which was kind of amusing in its ubiquity, was obviously a mnemonic.
The thing with Palin is funny because it has so many layers of stupid in it. Firstly, Palin is extremely stupid and doesn't know what she's talking about in general. So anything that feeds into that is going to be funny. Secondly, she's in front of thousands of people and national cameras. Maybe she could break out the somewhat more impressive "index card" technology? Third, she had three talking points, and the "
Budgettax cuts" line was so gloriously Conservative Stupid* that it was just hilarious.At some point, you gotta laugh rather than cry. Because the implication is that conservatism actually was this deeply based around being moronic the whole time. Of course, that's true -- McCarthy was no genius, nor was Dear Leader -- but it's something which has been impolite to discuss. So there's a lot of tribal catharsis going on in the liberal tribe. We're finally allowed to say what's been true the whole time, because it's finally so obvious that it can't be denied.
*Because budgeting is hard, but saying tax cuts? That's easy, right?
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| parent )but I do write down talking points so the memory isn't as tight as it used to be. However, I know it didn't inform me as to his qualifications or intellect.
And I do believe we are getting somewhere if there's a liberal tribe. First time I've seen that if memory recalls, but again it's a faulty tool so that might not be the case.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )BD tried this a while ago -- "You all have tribes too! That means you're a hypocrite or something!" Well, of course there are layers of liberal tribes. The difference is in how you signal membership.
Also, I'm actually far enough left culturally that I'm not a member of the liberal tribe, not really. I can pass, but my opinions are, in general, too radical.
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| parent )about being in the conservative tribe, about some things, not radical enough in others I guess.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )One bit of good news from that, I suppose, is that you can consider yourself exempt from my irritation at the qualities I perceive as emblematic of the "conservative" movement.
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| parent )it's your classifications after all.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )about being in the conservative tribe, about some things, not radical enough in others I guess.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )To me it's just another piece of the 'highly-unqualified-to-be-a-major-candidate' puzzle.
I'm sure many people might appreciate having 3 topics written on their hand when presenting in public. Most would probably use note cards and not try to sneak a peek like Palin, but whatever.
However most people don't run for vice president (and maybe president?). If you're like me you don't expect candidates for our highest offices to stare at their hand on CNN to answer slow pitches they were given in advance.
Palin stared at her hand to answer the pre-arranged question 'What are 3 things conservatives should do when they return to power?'
If she's that nervous in front of a camera that her brain shuts down to that degree, she has no business being a candidate in the 21st century on the US's top ticket.
Being able to answer very simple questions on TV is a basic skill anyone should have to represent and lead 300 million Americans.
If she's not nervous but just can't concentrate or whatever, she has no business being a candidate on the US's top ticket in any century.
That kind of covers it as far as I can tell.
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| parent )Keeping track of few talking points in case you get distracted isn't that big a deal. Keep in mind that she's got a busy schedule in front of different types of audiences, and she has a whole list of other important priorities (e.g. Bible-based governance, invade Iran, etc) that in front of a different audience might be on the top three list.
Obviously she's completely unqualified and also dangerous, but not because of this. And like Kierk said, the average person doesn't like DC slickies and this might even count in her favor.
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| parent )somehow other politicians manage to do this. Seems to be part of the basics of the job.
'Keeping track of a few talking pts.' is a bit of a euphemism for writing them on your hand, crossing one of them out, and peaking at them on CNN when getting asked pre-arranged questions.
But there's not much more to say on the matter, so I'll leave it.
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| parent )And you apply these standards to Joe Biden?
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| parent )'what are 3 things you and Obama would do in office?'
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| parent )Perhaps it would keep him from talking out of his ass.
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| parent )Using Biden's name in a sentence doesn't always guarantee that the reply itself will make sense. It's sorta like Michael Moore Is Fat jokes. Some itches require constant scratching, regardless of context.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )It sounds like something that FDR might have said in one of his famous fireside chats televised from the Oval Office in 1929 just after the stock market crash. Or at least Joe Biden would think so.
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| parent ). . .but the long list of stupid things he has said and done while vice president causes me to suspect that your standard is, ahem, self-serving and arbitrary.
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| parent )I suppose it's occurred to you that some of us don't have much invested in political party identity or political identity in general.
That helps reduce the bias when judgming a politician's intelligence.
Try it sometime.
What should be obvious: Joe Biden has gaffes, Sarah Palin doesn't know enough to fail to apply her knowledge in practice.
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| parent )That's just foolishness. No sane person thinks that Biden actually is stupid. Similarly, no sane person thinks Palin is smart. Biden is a smart guy who, like HW, sticks his foot in his mouth constantly. Palin is a stupid person who acts stupid all the time.
This isn't particularly difficult.
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| parent )But as Palin may end up as the 2012 Prez nominee who best represents Scott's political beliefs -- no matter how moronic she may be herself -- it seems logical to start the defenses early and often. Means, ends, you know the drill.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )The Eternal Conservative Victimhood Complex. It's always someone else's fault, hypocrisy, or problem.
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| parent )but it's not like she said anything coherent on any of those topics at any time.
This wasn't an index card with a list of topics she wanted to be sure to hit. This was three topics, and one of them was "
BudgetTax Cuts" I mean, good Lord. Can you find a more full encapsulation of how stupid conservatism is in this country than a woman who can't remember that she isn't supposed to mention the budget during a big deficit year, but supposed to stick to Tax Cuts? A stupid person who can't remember a stupid talking point which supports a stupid policy. It's just so . . . conservative. Palin. Conservative.- reply
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| parent )I can easily see how someone would be put off by her policy stances, but this particular episode seems a bit trivial.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )sometimes they can go off on tracts for awhile and I can't fault someone for using reminders of their main themes. Maybe it's because of my own arrogance combined with the fact that I do something similar myself, but I really fail to see how that would disqualify somebody for high office.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )How far does your arrogance go?
If you can't answer simple, prepared, questions on TV w/out staring at your hand, then you probably shouldn't go into national politics.
I don't expect to run for office and not be able to answer simple Qs I've seen in advance w/out peeking at my hand.
Ever seen that move by any other politician ever? I haven't and I'm thinking there's a reason.
This is a case where you're being so open-minded your brain's slipping out.
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| parent )I believe I meet every requirement for both offices.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )and expressing your ideas in a reasonably competent and coherent manner isn't a basic skill required for the office?
Btw, that doesn't include sneaking peeks at your hand when asked 'what are 3 things you would do if you got into office?'
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| parent )Not to be a jerk, and not to get myself excised from the liberal tribe, but have you ever considered the possibility that the fact that so many conservative leaders are complete morons isn't a coincidence?
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| parent )or just a fantastic orator playing to a base?
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| parent )Seriously.
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| parent )nut I think I got one that has the same clip - how oil got to be in the North pole even though it is cold there.
The reason I ask is it felt a little bit like manipulation to me - The question is about as dumb as you can get, and yet posed as it was and with a few seconds to answer it, the scientist is the one that comes off looking evasive/unsure/dumb. I've known a few Irish politicians to act dumb in just the right way to signal to the base back home while enraging their political foes and getting double points in the process.
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| parent )I am totally okay with the idea that the GOP leadership is either extremely stupid or simply pretends to be extremely stupid to establish a rapport with their target voters.
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| parent )how candidates have communicated with the populace has changed with the times, and social media maybe the next step in how they'll get out the message, which might even allow them to bypass the traditional outlets that are continually losing viewers and subscribers. Therefore speaking well on television isn't the end all in regards to mass communication. Even in the television era there is the Nixon example in after having done poorly in the 1960 debates he was able to take advantage of the circumstances 8 years later and become President. So I can't say I see this as a stand alone disqualifier or as a nail in the coffin in either a personal or historical sense.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )Technology is not moving politics away from video of Q and A sessions, debates, interviews, or addresses.
The last presidential debates were enormously popular.
Traditional TV networks are dying. Not youtube or cable. The net effect is that many more people are seeing Palin footage given today's technology than otehrwise would.
Nixon getting caught off-guard 50 yrs. ago re: the camera is one thing.
Today? Why, you'd have to be not so clever.
Of course your abstract historical perspective might have a point -- perhaps Palin will Tweet her way to the WH in 2016.
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| parent )enough of a segment to judge for themselves, or a snippet which displays the biases of the person acting as editor (for good or ill to the candidate)? In addition to traditional networks dying I would also add the idea of objective journalism. One knock on the new media is people can still access 'news' without running across points of view different than their own.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent )Well, you can have "objective" journalism, or you can have "balanced" journalism.
I've never really understood the conservative unhappiness with the press. A free press is a lefty idea. It's kind of like being upset with academia for being lefty. Academia itself is a lefty idea. So . . . yeah.
I don't get upset when it turns out that a bunch of bank and investment house CEO's are Repubs or Libertarians. Those aren't exactly hotbeds of egalitarianism, concern for the least among us, or empathy for people in bad situations.
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| parent )Seriously, I share your concerns, but I was under the impression that what you're describing is explicitly conservative policy.
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| parent )I long ago gave up trying to save the world. If people want to live in their silos let them, there isn't anything I can do to talk them out.
--"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta
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| parent ). . .President Burgundy?
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| parent )Is this some sort of Palin impersonation?
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| parent )I put the 'don't waste your snark' comment in the wrong spot. Do you genuinely want to make this case about Obama? And do so as someone who voted for G.W. Bush? Twice?
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )••
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )Ozzie Smith was found to have made some errors too, guess people can't rightly mock the status of any gimmick minor leaguer that couldn't field to save his life and was first just put in as promotion, but was later put in the the big show, because some fans from the rival sports team were "unfairly" mocking said dud.
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| parent )Ozzie Smith never made an error and Ricky Henderson was never caught stealing.
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| parent )You're so two thousand and late.
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| parent )I hope that everyone who was involved in the process of trying to make that woman one 72-year-old cancer survivor's heartbeat way from being Leader of the Free World endures terrible illness, hardship, and the scorn of all decent human beings.
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| parent )the more reason we have to believe they've already been punished enough.
Off-topic, just givin this a try:
Wow. That looks great.
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| parent )Do they have public suffering akin to that of Job? Have they been given the designation of sin-eaters?
No?
Then no.
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| parent )There's other fish to fry and I've decided 2010 isn't going to be me getting upset about US slime ball politicians.
I haven't even been making my usual rounds to find out who's screwing us on HCR these past several days.
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| parent )There's a long list. I'm just never, ever going to have anything resembling sympathy for them. They were trying to do a very bad thing.
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| parent )That doesn't look great. That looks...disturbing. It has been adblocked by me.
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| parent )then you should get off the internet.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )It always seems like she's trying to cheat or BS her way through an exam she hasn't studied for.
She probably had more extensive notes hidden in the restroom.
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| parent )Of just how compelling an image that is to the average American voter? Who has little more than a high school education.
Bear in mind also that by implication she gave an entire speech using only three scrawled crib-notes, instead of a full two-screen teleprompter script. It's an image designed by Carville.
We may be witnessing the second coming of Ronald Reagan, reincarnated as a showgirl. Like most objective bystanders, I'd assumed she was all washed up after she resigned from office. I'd forgotten that Reagan did the same, spending years on the lecture circuit making money and learning how to give speeches.
She's building up to a good shot at 2012, with say, Scott Brown as her VP choice. And that could be a 4-term deal. Something that I contemplate with amusement only after having had to sit through 2 years of mindless (and hyper-aggressive) Obama triumphalism.
But then Progressives specialize in really long hangovers after celebrations, don't they?
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| parent )Well done!
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )But I'm not sure you do, either. "Amusement" doesn't do justice, I think, to the evident glee with which you contemplate the figure of Sarah Palin descending from the heavens amidst the cheering of barely-educated, pitchfork-wielding plebs to visit divine retribution upon the hated Progressives - all for ruining the Democratic party with their abortions, amnesty and acid. I understand the conservative - sorry, "centrist" - Democratic case that the left wing of the party has exercised a malign influence on the party; what I don't understand is the politics of ressentiment ya'll seem to adopt as a consequence of that belief.
Who knows what 2012 will hold - a Palin Presidency would mark a new low, as far as I'm concerned, but it'd hardly be unprecedented - but color me unimpressed by revenge fantasies masquerading as prognostication.
--Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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| parent )In other words, you fail to recognize your own mirror image ;)
And you malign me, I think. The thought of Palinism triumphant is as chilling to me as...oh yes, Obamism triumphant. Hardly a revenge fantasy. In the absence of a "Tea-Bagger" or two on this site you reflexively revert to demonizing those who disagree with your peculiarly reactionary brand of leftist politics.
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| parent )... about my brand of politics, aside from the fact that I vote - when I vote - Democratic for national office. How that amounts to a "peculiarly reactionary brand of leftist politics," I confess I don't know. Though it sounds to me like you're just going for a particularly piquant juxtaposition of terms, without really much lying beneath.
We can agree to disagree about the temper of your political prognostications; but IMHO, I nailed it. ;)
And I try to avoid mirrors and cameras, generally. We weren't all blessed with movie-star good looks like catchy.
--Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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| parent )only double my amusement.
Your rush to misunderstanding is what betrays you; I wasn't "prognosticating", merely pointing out that this "talk to the hand" meme being hyped by lefty blogs only plays into Palin's, um, hands for the future. It is, in short, free PR. And it's neverending. In the case of Sullivan, it's even pyscho-sexual. There's a strong case to be made that it might well bring about the very thing it claims to fear. That certainly happened with Reagan--which was the basis of my argument.
Do please enlighten me on your politics. What do they consist of, aside from approval of Obama and disapproval of Palin? I apologize if I've, in turn, maligned you.
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| parent )Anything that makes Palin look even more obviously stupid will be good for her, long term, with her base.
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| parent )... I approve of Obama? His first-year performance has been laughably bad, and I'll admit that I underestimated his fecklessness when I preferred him to Clinton in the primary contest. But I don't regret my vote in the national election, and I'm fairly confident that the GOP will manage to nominate someone - Palin or whomever - bad enough that I'll haul my ass to the polls for him in '12. I was largely indifferent between the parties up to 2000; not a dime's worth of difference, as was said. But unless the GOP thoroughly repudiates in word and deed the legacy of Bush, or unless the Democrats embrace it even further, I'm probably a reliable Democratic vote going forward. The worth of a dime ain't inconsiderable, I've decided.
And if I'm misunderstanding you, it's hardly a rush - I almost always take the time to read your comments here, and my interpretation of the latest was made in the context of that history.
--Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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| parent )You are misunderstanding me.
If I had to commit to two "prognostications" for this country's coming decade --bearing in mind I was certain the Colts would win last night--it is for more of the same; ever-more amateurish inexperienced presidents, ever-worse joblessness and economic stagnation, coupled with our somehow managing to blunder through it all anyway.
What I will repeat, once again, is that by constantly attacking Palin--especially for things her base finds human and identifies with--the media and the lefty blogs are helping to elect her. Ignoring her would have been a far better strategy from the start. Instead, they (since apparently this does not include you) may have to live for some time to come with the cartoon they've helped create. Just as they did with Reagan. And by extension, Bush.
You are attacking me for simply pointing to an historical parallel--a recent one. I'd hate to think it's personal, since you're one of my favorite people here.
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| parent )It is also an inexact one, a lazy one, and a parallel of little value, the kind folks like Sean Hannity make when they're trying to excuse or rationalize their Palin lust.
This is not, I'd think, your excuse. So I guess it's just bad history floated in the midst of an argument.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )The people who vote for and adore Palin have nothing to do with her success; it's all the folks who would prefer to endure an amputation.
Nobody hates conservatives like conservatives.
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| parent )Why the hell else would we waste our time around here? ;^D
And, like I said, you're one of the very few people here whose comments I consider 'must-read' - they're sometimes infuriating, usually enjoyable, often from an illuminating perspective, and always written with a verve and wit that my deadened prose lacks, and which I very much
envyadmire. I don't get the knives out for just anybody, K.!But to the point: You'll find no disagreement from me that a more effective response to Palin would be - or, at this point, would've been - to ignore her. It's something I strive to do, certainly. But there's a class of people (think Camille Paglia) who defend Palin because she irks the people that these pundits find irksome; they're anti-anti-Palin. And it's those people, I admit, that irk me in turn (making me anti-anti-anti-Palin?) - it reads to me like pseudo-populism, and it stinks of bad conscience. But if you say that your comment was merely noting an historical parallel, then I relent - but I read it as something more than that, and I'd maintain that I did so not without justification.
--Bene vixit, bene qui latuit
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| parent )I understand and agree with part of your statement: the more the East Coast 1337s scoff at her stupidity, the more her rednecks will love her. But this country's been utterly divided since Bush v. Gore. Neither side is interested in listening to the other, and the GOP dumbasses found out the hard way they're losing the battle for hearts and minds. Now all they've got is Party of NO rhetoric.
These knobhead Tea Partiers are weak. They need backing from powerful corporations, who might find President Palin a bit too stupid even for their tastes. The rednecks do not like the Big Corporations any more than they like Big Gummint.
Just turn every dumbass country music song you've ever heard inside out, there's Sarah Palin. Seth Hurwitz has the situation pretty well summed up.
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| parent )I'm just callin as I see em vs. pretending to have some insight into the electorate.
I guess I do have the opinion that if she runs she will split the GOP.
David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, etc. have come out against her.
And most importantly, Bird Dog has turned on her. She cannot win w/out his support.
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| parent )The fact that I have to ask if that is really Palin's hand and an authentic picture proves quite about about her intellectual prowess.
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| parent )...how wonderful that entire story is.
Full text:
Energy
BudgetTax cutsLift American Spirits
If I were to describe the ultimate Republican candidate, it would be someone who had that written on their hand.
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| parent )Mr. Bird has not shown us a link. All I see if a picture from the Huffington post of a woman's hand with stuff written on it.
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| parent )The item here. It would've been way cooler if she had one of those forearm playbooks, like the ones NFL quarterbacks use. Either case, whether a teleprompter or notes on a hand, it's all fairly trivial and ridiculous.
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| parent )Dude, you're not going to get love asking a conservative for a cite.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/7/834684/-HandPrompter-Hilarity:-Read-The-Words-on-Palins-Hand
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| parent )if you're gonna push people's buttons.
The mods have day jobs (I think).
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| parent )Interesting. Well, I suppose you have a point; how else could we expect conservative participation?
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| parent )Still making sh*t up. Sad and pathetic.
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| parent )Thanks.
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| parent )Not explicitly directed at the commenter, and the profanity is masked.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )but "still making" is explicitly directed at a commenter, and this "masked profanity" business is Palinesque.
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| parent )...when you have a record of making sh*t up.
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| parent )I hadn't realized BD was working so hard to compliment me. Accepted graciously, big guy.
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| parent )and I don't agree with SNK that there was, there isn't now.
Comment, not commenter, please.
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| parent )grading BD on a curve with respect to PRVs? because he has a yellow card here:
http://theforvm.org/diary/bird-dog/civilian-case-failedalmost#comment-206202
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| parent )Personal attacks are personal attacks even if you think they're true.
--“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco
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| parent )Desi has a record of making sh*t up, as shown...
here and
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That isn't a personal attack on Des, it's a direct criticism of what he has said.
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| parent )or folder, or something. Because if you generated that one without access to a good search function, I am genuinely sorry to make you waste your time caring this much about some guy on the internet.
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| parent )1) Please don't accuse commenters of "making sh*t up"; point out any factual inaccuracies you find. That's what "comment not commenter" means;
2) your first link doesn't demonstrate Desidiosus' acumen for fabrication. It's his recollection of the blog discussion a couple of years ago in response to your own recollection of the blog discussion a couple of years ago (I haven't the time nor the inclination to click all the others.);
3) I've asked the other two mods to look at this thread in light of the Yellow mmghosh handed out the other day. In the meanwhile, and unless SNK and mmghosh disagree, I'm just gonna go ahead and make it Three Days.
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| parent )If the issue with 1) above is the thinly veiled profanity, that's one thing. However, if "making (fill in the general word to describe the allegedly manufactured statement) up" is to be considered actionable under the posting rules, several other commenters here will be looking at a major revision of their schtick on pain of suspension. Of course, if that's the intention, I will be glad to point out other examples of said construction as I spot them.
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| parent )A Palin voter blowing his top and accusing another poster of "making sh*t up", when all the poster did was to provide a cite that you couldn't seem to manage.
Exactly what "sh*t" was he making up? Is this another bald-faced lie told by yet another frustrated, Palin supporter? Hmmmm. Sad and pathetic? I'll say.
--Me: We! -- Ali
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| parent )Desi said, "you're not going to get love asking a conservative for a cite."
I've never had a problem with a liberal asking me for a cite. In fact, I did provide a cite in reply to stinerman. Therefore, Desi was busted yet again of making sh*t up.
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| parent )I appreciate the link. Thanks, Mr. Bird.
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| parent )"you're not going to get love asking a conservative for a cite"
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| parent )Not only was he beaten to the punch by a lefty, but BD had to cite a liberal site.
I didn't realize I was being controversial. If you ask for a cite, you will get one of three things:
1) Incomprehension for the request,
2) A citation which clearly proves the conservative poster to be completely in the wrong, or
3) A link to an obviously mendacious website.
I suppose we can include (1A), which is "a link to a liberal website after a liberal has already taken care of it for you."
That's because conservatives and liberals, as cultures, have vastly different ideas of what constitutes "facts," "arguments," and "support." As BD shows above with regard to the PRs, all of these things mean "something we do until a conservative gets angry."
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| parent )Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks
'Course not. Google would never collaborate with the information-gathering apparatus of a totalitarian regime. Perish the thought!
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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)They're leaving a lot of money on the table in China. I'm glad they are.
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| parent )Those wicked owd Chinese h8x0rz didn't exactly go into Google, but into the PATRIOT Act pipe up to Spook Central. A bit of funny bidness with Wireshark, looking at Spook Central's DNS lookup and boy howdy it was all over but the crying once they poisoned the cache.
What nobody's saying, but is perfectly obvious to anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of BIND how this came about, is the role of Spook Central in all this. This has nothing to do with Google and everything to do with how the bozos at Spook Central implemented the tattle-tale pipe.
This isn't Google asking for anything. This is a bunch of embarrassed spooks now trying to pull up their zippers.
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| parent )I love that guy:
Dude's gonna be Democratic Enemy Number One in 2012. Utah Phillips once said that the long memory is the most radical idea in America. These days, a long memory is about four or five years.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )As a wise man once said,
http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ayxsl/amazing_video_of_a_white_blood_cell_literally/
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)I looked this up.
The phenomenon of white blood cells chasing bacteria is called 'chemotaxis', and the phenomenon of surrounding and killing a bacterium is called 'phagocytosis'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotaxis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phagocytosis
The mechanisms for blood cell ambulation apparently aren't well-understood. But they're sensitive to the chemicals given off by bacteria and move towards higher-concentrated areas. That's chemotaxis.
When they make contact with the bacterium, they surround it by creating a 'phagosome' - which involves breaking apart a compartment in the cell membrane that stores H20 or other stuff, then fusing that together again around the bacterium.
Finally a white blood cell juices the bacterium with some digestive enzymes and then the little sucker is broken down and neutralized. That's 'phagocytosis'.
It's a funny thought that there's millions of em racin around right now huntin down those little bacteria bastards. Digest away, fearless amoeba hunters!
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| parent ). . . has he closed the debate on whether the Teabagger Movement is about rolling back the Civil Rights Movement, or is there any discussion left?
Because, um, calling for a poll test in the very first speech on the very first day . . . pretty much sets the tone, right?
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)....Nixon going to China?
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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| parent )Don't know about the analogy, but I really liked the video.
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| parent )http://nymag.com/news/media/63663/
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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| parent )Sounds like you'd fit right in, BG. Just show up with the hat you've got on in your sig.
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| parent )If only I had such a magnificent hat! I'm reminded of a scene from "Far And Away".
But anyway, I'm hurt. I'm not even in the top half of Forvm-creepy.
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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| parent )I'm creepy enough to have known what the Dayton Swim Club was before I saw the Youtube video.
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| parent )Ok, they both get into "identical" rocket ships. They both take off at the "same time." They both accelerate for the same amount of time. They both reach the same end speed.
--But can one them accelerate at a faster pace to start out and reach closer to "full speed" sooner?
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| parent )Relativity is awesome, by the way.
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| parent )....can the rate of acceleration differ?
Yes, of course. As a matter of fact, you can even speak meaningfully about the rate of change of acceleration (or the third derivative of speed.)
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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| parent )Isn't it possible that the person trailing could have accelerated quicker to start out, and traveled at a higher speed effectively the entire way and gotten near top speed sooner.
Would that not make the person that started out behind, get more of the effects from traveling closer to the speed of light for longer?
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| parent )the time dilation effects get so exaggerated in the range of 95%+ of lightspeed that the exact path would have to be evaluated to get the correct answer. I would say that it's possible as an educated guess.
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| parent )of what happens when you go to grad school, learn a bunch of science, and then stop:
http://thepoorman.net/2010/02/03/this-is-why-i-dont-do-physics/
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| parent )It's not fun as a profession if you're not good at it.
That flossing thing about suddenly realizing that things have to be exactly what they are . . . that one's brutal.
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| parent )Already, people are resorting to cannibalism.
--They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
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| parent )I thought eating one's own had been SOP in Washington for decades.
---“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
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| parent )on those people.
--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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| parent )where solar fusion doesn't work either?
--"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
–Voltaire
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| parent )One of my favorite Twain stories: Senators are trapped in a railroad car during a snowstorm and vote to see who gets eaten first.
""On the first ballot--there was a tie, half the members favoring one candidate on account of his youth, and half favoring the other on account of his superior size. The President gave the casting vote for the latter, Mr. Messick. This decision created considerable dissatisfaction among the friends of Mr. Ferguson, the defeated candidate, and there was some talk of demanding a new ballot; but in the midst of it a motion to adjourn was carried, and the meeting broke up at once."
http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1288/
--They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864
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| parent )As a Republic of Rome player, I applaud Senator Shelby's move here. Votes and procedural tics are currency to be bartered and a hold on ALL of the President's nominees will force cloture votes for each and every one. If he does not relent, this means Senator Shelby has just given every Senator who manages to get him or herself close to the 60 vote divide a couple more chips to play with.
Well done, Senator!
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| parent )generally can't wait to bring out the knives, so Hannibal owns us pretty much every time.
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| parent )Shelby did it because he wants more pork. A retarded thing to do.
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| parent )Is that your opinion?
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| parent )since you used a more "pussy" word to discuss it.
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| parent )Hank bypassed questions and went straight to dumbass assertions.
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| parent )er, um, we seem to be moving towards an unnecessarily anatomical discussion of comments.
Desi, BD, please.
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| parent )just not obstructionist "enough."
This is almost enough fun to obscure how horrible the whole business is.
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| parent )or change the rules of the Senate, are "pussies."
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| parent )according to the Chairman of the Fatwa Committee at al-Azhar University in Cairo (cite). My wife is a prolific unrepentant sinner in that department.
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)according to the esteemed Chairman's ideological counterparts.
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| parent )Because there is no difference whatsoever between religious edicts and consumer complaints.
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| parent )but one can, of course, find comparable religious edicts in other traditions.
I thought the "open" part was a nice bet-hedging acknowledgment that homosexuality in the military isn't exactly a new thing.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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