How does that old saying go: If you are young and not liberal you have no heart. If you are old(er) and not a conservative you have no brain. Is that how it is? I am too lazy to google it. Anyway, this has been on my mind lately, or at least in a thematic way. It all stems from my Facebook feed.
Like most of us on the 'Book, we friended all the people who (whom?) we did not really know in high school but now pretend we are and were good buds. And that has led to some actual interesting friendships, so good for the 'Book. But what I notice most, from a political standpoint, is that I am apparently one of only a handful of actual liberals who went to my high school (in Iowa.) My newsfeed is virtually spammed with the latest right wing outrage and talking points (the latest is some variation of "screw you France, you suck and will fail" As a surprise to me, lots of righties on my Facebook were really invested in Sarkozy. Didn't know they cared.) I pop in and comment occasionally, if I am feeling especially feisty or have some zinger to lay down, or if I see something really, really stupid that I feel needs to be corrected. But I try to leave it alone mostly, because I don't really have time to get that aggravated at people who aren't even really friends in any real sense (do people still say meatspace?)
Anyway, my point, it approaches. The question that comes to mind, after "how did my entire high school turn out to be Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter?", is did they start this way, or did they drift as the saying goes? A huge data point is that this was Iowa, generally a somewhat religious, right leaning state. But how did I turn out like did, and how did my two younger brothers turn out even further to the left than I am, considering that my dad is quite the FoxNews fan?
Drifting...
I can remember as far back as, I think, second grade during Ford/Carter and our class actually held a class vote and I was for Carter, for reasons totally unknown. In the 80's, in high school, I was anti-Reagan, as any good punk was. I thought a right to housing and food were good ideas we could learn from the Soviets (I was a bit naive, but weren't we all). At some point in my late teens I got introduced to Ayn Rand (yeah, I know...). It was intriguing and fascinating, and seemed to make some sense. I was young and single and this whole individualism thing sounded great! So I drifted rightward. For a long time, during my single days in the '90's, I considered myself a left-leaning libertarian. I voted for Harry Browne! Then I met my Norwegian wife...and since then, since moving to Norway, I have drifted ever leftward. When I first got here I considered myself one of the farthest right people here. The mainstream right party here is probably to the left of the Democrats, in reality. But these days, I vote (I am allowed to vote for local elections, but since I am not a Norwegian citizen I cannot vote in the national elections) solidly Arbeiderpartiet (workers party, the party that Breivik tried to wipe out) and even occasionally SV - Sosialistisk Venstreparti (Socialist Left). I even once voted Rød (The Commies) for two reasons: one, just to say I voted commie once and two, because the local Rød representative is awesome to have in the local council as a foil.
Obviously, moving where I did had an effect on me. Living in the type of Scandinavian socialism that exists here gives one a different point of view. And while I still maintain that free market solutions to problems should be the first choice, my list of items that I feel are not solved in that way and require government regulation or intervention is larger than it was before. I have a diary percolating in my head about just that, where I feel the free market is inadequate. But that is another diary.
And I have drifted from the point of even posting this. The point I had in mind was to spark discussion. Have you drifted? Which way? Is your Facebook feed as weird as mine, whether liberal or conservative (my Norwegian part of my Facebook feed is uniformly liberal. Shocker, I know)? Do you think we get more conservative as we get older, or are there other forces at work that pull us in different directions, like Norway has tugged on me? Where are you, where did you drift?


Such a Fabulous Diary...Thanks! My Drifting...
(#280330)....interestingly, for myself, I am drifting into a form of life and professional cowardice.
I have always been a bit of a worrier...used this to motivate myself...and since I'm not the smartest person around, somewhere above lichens but below the lower amphibians, I've always had to work harder, be more alert to my own failings, to get myself and my people to where we need to be.
And since my life involves fixing broken lives, (and I don't mean this badly, at one time or another, almost everyone is broken in some serious sense), all I have is my bravery, stepping up to the plate, for this person or that, in this situation or that cussed error....
So to lose this is....pretty much losing myself.
For a long time I've seen myself drifting towards seeing people, all people....as problems, sometimes I dread opening the door, or an email or answering the phone...I've rejected really nice women, as well as bad, as simply too much trouble to deal with.
None of this is good.
I'm working on myself...with some success.
But, maybe this is just a function of age, (67), or, worse case scenario, I am just becoming who I always was but was able to hide from.
None of life is easy...and drift is a negative word me thinks, the connotation being that one is not controlling the direction of one's life...which, however I think at a societal level is and can be true, (see your Iowa), but is different on a personal level.
Drift is the premise of your diary, but personally, it is a state of being that...I must reject as a form of simple self-survival.
n'est-ce pas?
Best Wishes, Traveller
Edit:(FWIW) the only thing that matters is how I perform in battle.
That doesn't sound so bad to me
(#280340)"I am just becoming who I always was but was able to hide from"
In fact it sounds like a form of liberation.
But if youth is wasted on the young, surely liberation is wasted on the elderly.
"surely liberation is wasted on the elderly"!?! You Consistently
(#280345)...amaze me with the wisdom of your wit...and briefly said too, with the perfectly turned phrase.
It is a damn shame you can't make a million dollars from this talent of yours. In a more just society, you surly could...or could be offered hemlock.
Depending.
Thanks.
Traveller
Ageist nt
(#280347).
I blame it all on the Internet
Sagacious
(#280350).
Its about thyme. N/T
(#280355)-
literally anything can become right or wrong if the dominant class of the moment so wills it
I'll de-myrrh from further comments nt
(#280356).
I blame it all on the Internet
Not another chive-ass pun thread... -nt-
(#280367).
M Aurelius was probably right.
errp
(#280354)(deleted.)
A man must be orthodox upon most things, or he will never even have time to preach his own heresy.
I've gotten way more centrist as I've gotten older
(#280332)compared to when I was a kid reading National Review.1 A big part of that has come from experience: I've found that America circa 1999 and Toronto are both pretty much places I'd really like to live, and so these days I'm inclined to vote for a party that's liable to get more of that.
But what's been really amazing has been that, thanks to the magid of Facebook, I've rediscovered a lot of my old friends from the Marine Corps. Back in the 1990s they were all pretty much apolitical. Now, to a man, they seem to have become not just Movement Conservatives, but full-on libertarians, convinced that gold is the only real money, that the Tenth Amendment forbids the welfare state, and that Obama is a communist. And I have no idea what caused it, although I suspect it has something to do with the fact that they're mostly evangelical protestants.
Which means that I have a very bizarre Facebook feed: old friends from high school, former Marines, medievalists, and people I know from an alternate history newsgroup. A few have permanently blocked each other after heated exchanges about torture, Libertarian Jesus, and the evils of the welfare state.
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1. Why yes, the amount of sex I was having in high school was exactly zero. What was your first clue?
Drifted somewhat "left"....
(#280333)....on social issues I see as personal in nature. F'rex, I simply cannot bring myself to care if you are into screwing males, females, toys, sheep, etc. De gustibus....
Went a bit "right" economically. There was a time when I would have said MITI was a reasonable model (and the fact that my example would have been MITI indicates both the vintage and my reasoning at the time.) Since then, not so much. Also, I determined that I know better than everybody else, so why cede yet more power to some bureacracy? :^)
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
A reasonable model for what?
(#280339)For the US economy?
For a way to foster rapid, well-focused....
(#280362)....growth of the sort statist Japan was displaying prior to the property bust. My faith in even well-trained bureaucrats has faded a bit since my youth. :^)
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
News flash: corporations have bureaucrats too.
(#280366)I'd hope after 2008 your faith in "free market solutions" has taken a hit as well. The notion that human incompetence is confined to the sphere of government is...well it's cute, is what it is.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Just drives me further right, J!
(#280383)The older I get, the clearer it becomes that the rest of you are 'tards. ;^)
(More seriously, I expect massive incompetence and cupidity as parts of the human condition. I am more concerned when they are married to a putative monopoly on force and The Law. And I become more concerned still as the likelihood that said unholy matrimony might be pointed in my direction, which is why I worry a lot more about business regs than what we're doing to Gitmo clowns.)
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
But unholy matrimony
(#280393)is the inescapable condition of human affairs.
Premise 1: Somebody *always* has a monopoly on force.
Premise 2: That somebody is *always* susceptible to incompetence and cupidity.
Premise 3: Business has never functioned & cannot function in the absence of governments.
Conclusion: Relax. Regulations & taxes aren't going anywhere: best we can hope for is to maximize their utility (to all of us, not just the well-connected).
M Aurelius was probably right.
Conclusion 2: get well-connected!
(#280395)-
literally anything can become right or wrong if the dominant class of the moment so wills it
Not if you want an innovative middle class
(#280398)capable of upping its own earnings potential & therefore creating a growth market.
M Aurelius was probably right.
The "but" is largely...
(#280434)...unnecessary. My only real beef is with the Conclusion. That is not The Way People Work, J. There is no such thing as a "neutral" policy; given human diversity of both means (both natural and acquired) and wants, it is virtually guaranteed that any policy or change in policy will help somebody and gore somebody else's ox. You can always look for Pareto improvements, but in the short-run these are thinner on the ground than you think for the same reason that, jokes about economists to the side, you don't actually usually find $20 bills lying around on the ground. It's also why politics always gravitates, indeed must gravitate, towards near 50/50 splits of opinion.
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
You say that as if the global population hadn't
(#280443)grown 700% in two centuries, driven largely by universal access to crop surpluses, medical treatments and sanitation which had been the exclusive province of the ultra-wealthy for...all of human history before that. Standardization of trade & contract enforcement played a major role in distributing that vast new wealth to all corners of the globe.
Of course utility can be maximized. We're living at the top of an epic growth curve driven by downward distribution of wealth the like of which humankind has never seen before. I'm surprised you even dispute this.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Jordan, do note the "short-run" I included above....
(#280450)....to cover precisely this argument. If your argument held water in the near term, we wouldn't be arguing about "inequality" or "the 1%". Why bother? A rising tide lifts all boats eventually (and I'm in agreement with that argument.) But in the short-run, everything looks zero-sum, is, in fact, pretty close to zero-sum. This follows by virtue of the widespread use of democratic institutions. If an instantaneous or short-run Pareto improvement is available, it is usually picked up in short order because, definitionally, nobody has an axe to grind against it. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency]It's Pareto Efficient, after all[/url]. If somebody is organizing, paying, voting bribing or otherwise acting against it, it is unlikely to be PE. That somebody has an ox which stands to be gored.
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
What's your problem with "statist Japan"?
(#280368)They have better health than you lot. And [url=http://www.mangathat.com/city-hunter/94/9001e]better comics.[/url] And Godzilla.
literally anything can become right or wrong if the dominant class of the moment so wills it
They eat a lot of fish.
(#280384)You don't need MITI for that, just available fish. [url=http://southpark-episodes-online.blogspot.com/2011/08/south-park-season-1-episode-2-weight.html]Also, running your ass around the block a few times appears to help[/url].
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
My fellow conservatives have drifted much more than me
(#280335)Maybe it's my age, but I can't help but think that Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP. That said, some of my positions have moderated.
Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.
I'd be interested to hear about the moderation
(#280337)I think I'm familiar with some of the rightward shift you've mentioned in the GOP.
I'm less familiar with any issue on which you feel you've shifted leftward.
Taxes, for one
(#280371)I was pretty much against the raising of tax rates but, for several years now, I have been in favor of letting Bush tax cuts expire for the highest brackets. With the structurally imbalanced deficit situation we have, we really should look at both sides of the ledger to close the gap.
Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.
No, it's not your age.
(#280411)Regan signed the Montreal Protocol to protect the Ozone layer. He did more than that, he put the full weight of the United States behind getting other countries to sign it, though Thatcher is the one (I've mentioned before that she was a Chemical Engineer), who originally led the effort.
The idea that modern Fox News conservatives would be willing to discuss, let alone have the US be one of the leaders of, any kind of global environmental protection treaty has become totally and bizarrely fantastic. One of the current measures of Conservative genital size is how strongly they oppose any environmental initiative whatsoever, or how quickly they would demolish the EPA if given a chance.
They talk about Reagan, but they ignore his actual record.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
Kinda like Jesus.
(#280419)Was that a cheap shot? I guess it was.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Little drifting here...I've been pretty much a center-left
(#280336)pragmatist since I was around six or seven years old. I know that sounds hard to believe, but seriously: I stopped believing in God, Santa Claus, and political ideology pretty much at the same time & at an early age. I think and have kind of always thought that there are some things only government can do well, some things it has no business doing, and some things it can do only with public collaboration; and that telling the difference is the whole trick and why we have a political class in the first place. Democracy is always a work in progress, and works best where a prosperous middle class is as large as possible.
In foreign policy I've evolved a bit more, and found myself drifting towards a kind of pro-reform realpolitik; I've come to accept, for example, the notion that military power can be necessary to secure supply lines for energy, industrial materials & the like. Yes: war for oil, as well as war for human rights. Although more like: overwhelming military superiority making actual war unnecessary. That's more a center-right position, and not one I held in college. Back then I was against a lot of our "small wars": central America, SDS, the Persian Gulf War. Nowadays I see those as somewhat Republican aberrations of a general postwar US policy as a kind of global cop. Haven't really changed my position on most of Reagan Era Republican militarism and adventures derived from it...but I cast a friendlier eye on the Persian Gulf War, for example, than I once did. Preventing basically malign, warlike regimes from getting access to large supplies of cheap energy seems like a pretty good idea.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Probably more liberal as I've aged
(#280349)I've always been socially liberal and fiscally responsible, but as time goes by I'm getting tired of waiting.
I blame it all on the Internet
Waiting...
(#280410)...for what?
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
For things to get fixed
(#280423)especially things that any honest person knows how to fix, but won't. I'm tired of waiting for the end of bigotry, I've been told it's dying out but it sure is taking its sweet ass time. I'm tired of waiting for people to realize what works and what doesn't, especially because there's ample evidence in many areas like science, economics, medicine, etc. etc. But apparently a good number of my fellow Americans want to revoke the enlightenment and go back to being ignorant and superstitious.
I blame it all on the Internet
The Enlightenment
(#280428)Like any other major cultural change, the enlightenment produced its share of losers, often powerful losers, such as the Catholic church.
Why are you surprised they would take the opportunity afforded by crisis to fight back?
Remember, the enlightenment produced its own demons. Nuclear bombs, toxic waste, and McDonalds are not the fault of the ignorant and superstitious. Those who want to set the clock back a few centuries are right about one thing, our cultural paradigm needs to shift once more. It's an awful idea to make it shift backwards, but shift it must.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
I was a Marxist in the sixth grade
(#280405)A teacher got mad at me for quoting Karl in some school project.
My biggest drift in recent years has been on gay marriage. Some years back, I engaged the audience at Daily Kos, and that led me to change my position to in favor.
I think hanging out here has led me to appreciate the right's position a little more, although the movement has probably been microscopic.
"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs
I'd have to say I started as an authoritarian...
(#280407)...pretty much blindly following the dictates of my parents until I was two or three. Potty training began to build a pretty hairy independent streak in me that is with me to this day. I learned to regard all efforts at redistribution with extreme predjudice and suspicion by eight. I was much more efficient than my brother at landing Halloween spoils. When my parents dumped out both bags on the floor, mixed the candy up and then split it down the middle I had considered armed resistance.
In truth I am a small 'r' republican. I want the localest government possible. I have always wanted that but my drift has been on how much that local/state govt could or should provide.
In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome.
A drift more towards outrage
(#280413)Than earlier in my life, when I was supposed to be outraged more.
Here's the drift I've been having. I grew up with a fair number of rednecks. I like them, albeit with some large reservations. I think they do a lot of the working in this world, and a lot of the dying in the armed forces. And I think they're right in suspecting that liberals look down on them. And if folks on the left really believe in stuff like alleviating poverty and promoting equality, it's the rednecks they should be talking to, not each other.
They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
-- General John B. Sedgwick, 1864
I've changed in more than one dimension
(#280421)With time, I have gotten a progressively greater appreciation of the nature of unintended consequences. In high school I read, "Of Mice and Men", the title of which Steinbeck took from To a Mouse. The relevant quote:
But Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
So this realization has some pretty direct consequences in terms of my ideology. First you need to understand that my family was left wing, yet anti-communist. In this universe, utopia was political freedom without capitalism. I suppose that the lack of any country with such a system made the dream all the more appealing, but I was always a nerd, from birth, so the absence of a single country like this led me to distrust the concept almost as soon as I understood it.
It was only later, by my early teens, that I understood why. Actually, there were several. First it became clear to me that you cannot have political freedom without significant economic freedom, because money is power, so if only the state has money, only the state has power. A little later, watching the computer industry develop, I came to understand that conditions change constantly in unexpected ways. Great plans by smart men will fail, early and often.
A state run economy puts its eggs in only one basket. Even without an appreciation at the time for the power of corruption, it became obvious to me that the many more chances to make mistakes that the free market offered also meant there are more chances to make successes. I came to fully grasp the free market as a key economic engine. Spending a day in East Berlin in my late teens sealed the deal.
Yet the same engineering mindset that prevented me from believing in socialist utopias also told me that the market needed regulation. A car engine, a steam boiler, or a nuclear reactor must be bounded within safe limits. We can argue about how to calibrate the limits but not about the need for their existence. I've become convinced that free market fundamentalists are just the flip side of my old left-wing relatives, focused on belief in an ideal while ignoring reality.
But economics and power isn't everything. I have grown ever more concerned about the environment, for example, and I think of it as being orthogonal to the left-right spectrum. I do know the right hates environmentalists today, but this only illustrates how brainwashed it has been by the oil companies. Conservatives by temperament should be conservationists also, but I'll let these guys make that case better than I could.
I also know that some leftists have used environmental issues to attack capitalism, but they are being intellectually dishonest. Without exception, every communist country has had a dismal environmental record, despite being entirely free from the pressures of capitalists.
It is precisely because its not really on the left-right spectrum that I am concerned about the environment. It's a minor issue to most people around the world. It's a big blind spot for the species, and a solution is not obvious to me so far. There might not be one.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
Funny, isn't it, how utopians get more "respect"
(#280427)in politics, while pragmatists tend to be reviled as soft, opportunistic, uninteresting & unreliable. Pragmatism isn't politically sexy like socialism, or big-c conservatism, single-issue (Green Party) platforms, etc. Maybe this is only in the US, or only in functioning democracies, but it seems generally true. In the political sphere, precedence is given to those who show up with pre-formed, fairly inflexible ideologies, whatever those ideologies might be. Their position on any given issue, even their methods for dealing with that issue, are pretty much guaranteed in advance, and maybe that's the advantage. It's a fairly bizarre & counterproductive way to solve problems & provide leadership in the real world. It's much more effective to set a general goal and then remain flexible about the methods, alliances, rationales, and so forth for attaining it.
People find idealism far more attractive than the realism, and I'm pretty sure that attitude is deeply unhealthy.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Your answer is embedded in your question
(#280684)"Unreliable." It has a lot to do with your appeal as an ally. (Or perhaps I should say our appeal, because I too am of your ilk.)
Somebody like M Scott Eiland is an extremely appealing ally, because you know if they are on your side they are going to swallow disagreements and stick up for the team. There are a whole bunch of Republicans like this, that don't really believe in the social conservative causes, but will give lip service to it because that keeps the alliance together. And there are Democrats like this too, union members that don't really believe in LGBT causes, but overlook those positions for the sake of Team Blue.
The whole reason for parties, in terms of political economy, is because permanent alliances give more power to individual members than ad hoc alliances do. If you take your positions in an a la carte way you diminish your value to potential allies. The flip side of that, and why centrism still has some appeal in at least one of our parties, is that your views are likelier to coincide with those of swing voters that actually decide elections.
And of course you don't have to lie to yourself. I suppose that's has a psychic upside too.
"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs
In the current scenario...
(#280692)...I don't see swing voters as pragmatic centrists. I see them as either low-information voters, politically apathetic (which I can certainly understand), or not too bright.
A pragmatic centrist today can only vote for democrats in 99 out of 100 cases. Exceptions, such as Olympia Snowe, are a dying breed. The GOP is now a radical party.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
Agreed.
(#280696)Movement conservatives today are driven entirely by ideology and everything is expendable to the goal of winning. Orwell was a pragmatic centrist. Movement conservatism is as Orwellian an ideology as anything we've seen in our lifetimes. Funny how the man's pen name became an adjective for everything he hated.
M Aurelius was probably right.
Look! Look over there! It's a couple of guys with...
(#280703)...way too high an opinion of themselves.
In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome.
Hey Now. . .
(#280704). . .how can such a brilliantly convincing approach to winning over moderates go wrong?
The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.
It does win over moderates, not conservatives
(#280705)but then conservatives have become so tied up in contradictions that it's not a very difficult thing to do.
I blame it all on the Internet
Insulting And Condescending To Them Wins Them Over?
(#280706)Yes, that would certainly explain the outcome of the 2010 election.
The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.
Don't know about you, but I'm being insulting & condescending
(#280707)to movement conservatives, whose wholesale transparent bullcrap has become incredibly annoying to most other people who pay attention to this stuff.
M Aurelius was probably right.
You Replied "Agreed" To MA's Comment
(#280710)The boring and predictable stuff about Orwell was just parsley on the main course.
The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.
He made 2 distinct statements.
(#280711)It'd be boring and predictable to point out that my comment was clearly addressed to one of them.
M Aurelius was probably right.
But you misunderstood.
(#280714)I was being condescending to one subgroup (low information voters) of swing voters, and insulting to another subgroup (the not too bright). I was sympathetic to a third group, the politically apathetic, whom I consider rather wise in not following every twist and turn of our political process.
I was neither condescending nor insulting to moderates. I simply stated the obvious, which is that absent the Olympia Snowe's of the world, they could only vote for democrats. The GOP, now run by the Tea Party, is quite explicitly killing off candidates who are even willing to talk to democrats. If you don't believe me, ask soon to be former Senator Lugar.
Purity tests are by definition the opposite of moderation. No moderate can support candidates subject to such an inflexible ideological gauntlet. Really, I merely stated what should be obvious.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
Impossible! -nt-
(#280708).
M Aurelius was probably right.
True
(#280712)And to be clear, I don't think I said otherwise. (Or if I did I expressed myself badly.)
"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs
Regression to the mean
(#280430)It seems that a lot of us have moderated our views as we've grown and I suspect that is a function of the fact that we are well informed and politically aware. Studying the political sausage making process in detail makes one realize that practical politics are required to get anything accomplished and that extremism merely leads to gridlock and inaction. It is obvious that a lot of regular folks have done just the opposite and have hardened their positions and become more extreme.
As for me, I have evolved from a "big L" Libertarian in my college days through a "small l" libertarian as a adult and have ended up somewhere in the vicinity of a civil liberties liberal. I spent most of the 90's railing against inside the beltway culture in general and DLC type centrism in particular which prevented me from voting for Clinton either time he was elected. In hindsight he was a pretty good president all in all and was successful in so far as he managed to spur the economy and balance the federal budget, something which hasn't been otherwise done in my lifetime. To be fair, best president of my lifetime is a pretty low bar though.
I don't get too wrapped up in culture war skirmishes because most of that happens at the state level and I live in a progressive blue state. One of my justifications for living in a high tax state like NJ is it keeps out the riff raff who want to enshrine Christianity in law and aren't interested in supporting the trappings of civilization via taxes. Over the years I've had friends and colleagues that have moved to places like Tennessee, North Carolina and Texas who are appalled at the culture and legislation that gets passed. I'm not terribly sympathetic, it serves them right. That's the price of living in a low tax state.
--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.
Can't say that the culture or legislation....
(#280432)....that I run into in TX are noticeably worse than those I suffered through in NJ and NY. Different, surely (more religious nuts, fewer lefty nuts, fewer public sector leeches, more connected developers.)
"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky
Your kids in private school?
(#280433)How do you feel about the TX school curricula? I've always assumed that you send them to private school, but that just means that you're not really saving any money by moving.
ETA:
It's nice when a plan comes together. :)
--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.
Not to date.
(#280438)But we're in a good system, very solid standardized scores. My wife and I have recently gotten a bit disillusioned with the brand new middleschool the older girl is in, but that's actually a function of the new setup they're trying (an import from CA, no less.)
The curricula and texts actually aren't bad. The ISDs have a fair amount of independence of action as far as how they implement things, and as I mentioned we're in a decent district. In some ways it has been more rigorous than the NY schools we knew, particularly in the lower grades. We seldom run into, say, overt religious issues.
However, this new "high-techl" concept they're guinea-pigging us with at just this one school is problematic. Few texts, no lockers, a lot of group projects & iPads and a lot of fluff in the name "preparing for the future." One year's worth of results has us ready to home-school until the older girl gets to the (traditional) HS. Even the stuff that sounds good has been implemented in such a way that it mostly sucks. It's very free-form, and my daughter (similar to me in this regard) is happy to take advantage and do whatever she likes whenever possible. Though she is getting good with web pages and is apparently working on a T-mobile app....
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You're near Dallas?
(#280439)Being in a good district is important anywhere. I use the same justfication at the local level that I do at the state. Higher real estate taxes = better schools = higher property values. While there may be some exceptions to this, they are rare. The problem with moving away from NY is that it is almost impossible to move back due to the costs and lifesystyle changes required.
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