On Sambos, Bitches & Artic Arabs
We all know the media is out to destroy Sarah Palin. In her own acceptance speech, Palin told the adoring crowd that she cares only what the people think, not the media. So what do ordinary Alaskans have to say about Ms. Palin?
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.
According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.
“It was kind of disgusting,” Lucille, who is part Aboriginal, said in a phone interview after admitting that she is frightened of being discovered telling folks in the “lower 48” about life near the North Pole.
Then, almost with a sigh, she added, “But that’s just Alaska.”
Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are common, everyday chatter for Palin.
Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical” swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative “f**king Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-w...
I guess it should come as no surprise that a man who would call a woman, let alone his wife, a "cu*t" in public, would select as his running mate a woman who makes Dick Nixon look like Ghandi. This kind of bigotry and racism cost George Allen his senate seat. Hopefully it will cost Palin any chance at the Vice-Presidency.
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Palin is married to one.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )I thought he was 100 percent "Naive Alaskan" or maybe you were thinking of her! :)
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| parent )makes him an Artic Arab.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Such a charming turn of phrase (insert roll eyes emoticon).
If memory serves one has to be 1/4 to actually considered for enrollment.
Though he does have honourable Yu'pik heritage.
And while, for example, Kevin Costner has an equal amount of Cherokee blood, I do not see him referred to as a Cherokee.
The same with Todd Palin. I've noticed he's lately acquired an extra 1/8th making him 1.4 on some sites on the tubes, but it is his mother who is 1/4. According to newspaper reports from AK when the Mrs. was elected Gov.
I was curious and looked him up, because I love the Yu'pik..that's the region I spend my best times in AK in. A number of the Yu'pik salmon fishermen during the Bristol Bay runs actually speak the language in their radio communications. With the occasional English word like "hamburger" thrown in. My dream retirement place would be Ugashik Bay. :)
Pedantic I know.
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| parent )....discussion was to get at whether Palin has a racial bias against Eskimos. If we're to believe that similar attitudes obtain as in the unreconstructed Old South, then one drop of Yu'pik blood would be one drop too many. It certainly wouldn't make for a marriage. Just sayin'.
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| parent )he is not. That's all.
We aren't talking about the South are we? There's a different set of racial prejudices and degress up there. A correlation to Native Americans down here is more correct.
Using Kevin Costner again. He has the same amount of Native blood as Todd Palin. Now if Costner got drunk, you wouldn't hear all the horrible racial slurs about his 1/8th Cherokee blood. Now if a full blood Cherokee went and got really drunk, all the nasty old chestnuts come out. My example some diaries back also refers to this. No white woman, or one with 1/8th native blood, in Alaska who has a drinking problem will be called an "Eskimo Princess".
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| parent )who aren't typical, since they have a fair bit of oil under their lands, and none at all with native people of the far north. That said, there's some tension between the Osage and the white people. Case in point: in Osage County, the tribe can start drilling in your front yard and there's nothing you can do about it. As a consequence, the whites just won't live in Osage County and the towns are dying. The Tallgrass Prairie reserve is tough to photograph because half the decent vistas have wellheads in the frame. To further complicate things, the Osage women I know (the women speak using a different grammar than the men, so to study the language you have to listen to women) complain their men don't work. They live off oil revenue and go down to Bartlesville and drink all day.
Are there cultural tensions between the native peoples and the whites in Alaska? I know a teeny little bit about the Court Oreilles of northern Wisconsin: the white fishermen complain that the Court Oreilles get to spearfish for walleyes in the shallows during the spawn.
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| parent )Go to western Washington and mention the "Boldt Decision"
There isn't enough time to talk about that here.
But here's a little tid-bit that doesn't have to do with Salmon.
The Makah have won a share of the hake fishery. The treaty allowed them to fish as their share according to their "traditional means". They have some great lawyers, because now they are fishing their share using large trawlers and gigantic nets. I find it amusing more than anything. because hake was not a target fishery in the traditional manner..it wasn't feasible. They are terrible to eat plain (the PNW hake have an enzyme that makes them the mushiest fish on the planet) and until technology began to advance in the past tow or three decades they weren't even a viable fishery for non-tradiotnal means..like trawlers and nets.
The Russians and Bulgarians and others used to fish for them off our shores, but they had processors right one board. And the USSR wasn't known for quality in it's seafood, for it's own people anyway.
Sorry for all the digressions..it's just I am in familiar territory here.
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| parent )basically any right granted to tribal members is resented because it's "not fair".
--I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )and I thought 1/12 was the tipping point.
BTFOTM is, I don't have any, so I'm not really up on the subject.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )before the Palins hit the national stage, his mother is 1/4. As I said, this information comes from the Anchorage papers talking about their new "first dad" so I'd think they'd have it right.
The degree seems to be inflating over the past few weeks.
One has to be 1/4 I think. It may be less, but I don't think so. Certainly the granchildren of a full blooded native are entitled to enrollment and the benefits of that enrollment.
An interesting aside, for me anyway, is the heavy Russian influence out west and Kodiak. A lot of the native Alaskans have Russian surnames and a few of the old grannies still speak Russian around Kodiak, anyway. Before the fall of the USSR there were only three Russian Orthodox seminaries in the world. One was on Kodiak Island. All the little villages have their onion dome churches. Lovely buildings.
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| parent )require 1/4 ancestry, which apparently is the most common requirement.
--I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )and jackpot is 1/16
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )"You're only an Indian if you've got a BIA card. You're only an Osage if you have oil head rights."
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| parent )is a very interesting place to visit.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Limitless. Stupidity.
It's almost as bad as watching you try to play Diplomacy.
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| parent )Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio.
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| parent )That's below the belt, vint.
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| parent )I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )... you'll need a guy in a Hawaiian shirt.
--Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio.
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| parent )from now on any Diplomacy diaries will have their pictures replaced with a Risk board.
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| parent )Connect 4 could also be funny.
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| parent )I'll be going to Chutes and Ladders, or maybe Candyland.
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| parent )....account of the tale of an anonymous waitress who dialed in a phone interview. No, wait, it's backed up by "people who know [Palin]". Thank goodness for the solid, fact-based reporting of the indie media. :^)
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)This was worth a diary at Redstate.
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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)If I were to go over and discuss it calmly with them?
I'm not banned yet. But I'm sure it could happen. I don't even know if this has merit. If someone wants to know if Palin has used a racial slur, look for "Eskimo Princess"...sounds innocent, but is loaded beyond belief. I know her husband is 1/8th Yu'pik, but I'd be interested to know what her relations with the natives she fishes around are.
And before anyone charges in here accusing me of racism for mentioning the phrase "eskimo princess", I am a registered tribal back east, more than Todd Palin. I used the phrase, because when I think of racism in Alaska, it isn't white on black as much as white on native.
I'm withholding judgment..I've been a waitress dependent on the job. Honestly, I can absolutely see this. Palin doesn't have a problem with someone being called a bitch. What she might have said in the cozy confines of her home turf, who knows.
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| parent )I've seen liberals calmly challenge conservatives there, and they've been blammed. I'm pretty dissatisfied with the new Redstate 3.0 format, the return of a former *sshole director, the echo chambery feel of the place, and the mediocrity of some of the front page posts and many of the diaries.
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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| parent )I signed up there when it first began..both Tacitus and John Cole were on board and I looked forward to engaging intelligent folks on the right. I tend to search for common ground.
I seemed like it could be a right leaning Kos (in style and function) in it's engagement with many people. Then something happened.
Not sure which editor you are talking about. But I am sorry that the site is disappointing you. Though I am glad that you see it faults.
I went over there from your link. It doesn't seem to flow as smoothly, but that's a visual and technical thing. I though the original format was attractive. More than most all other Right sites that allowed comments.
I still get the emails though!
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| parent )The comment threads at Redstate are typically lame. I'm not sure why, but my experience tells me that you liberals are a chatty bunch. ;)
--"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton
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| parent )I don't participate in Kos that much. Once I got trusted user status..no idea how and then it was gone again.
But I love to go over there when there's a pie fight (was in on the original one...I voted to keep Ginger and MaryAnn. ;) and got called a sexist male for my troubles by a guy! ) because the conversation can go in a hundred different directions. So many different kinds of people in one place talking all at once, with the occasional bloodbath and a bunch of GBCW diaries following.
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| parent )liberal that is. Even though you may find that hard to believe. Very much a small government type which is not supposed to be a liberal trait. In practice it's definitely not a conservative trait either despite what they say.
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| parent )I tend to search for common ground.
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| parent )but a "mixed" family..Catholic and Southern Baptist. Holidays were more fun than a barrel of rabid monkeys at the family gatherings.
And I'm now Episcopalian...it's practically a sacrament! ;)
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| parent )but I had no idea that "Eskimo Princess" is a racial slur. Does or did Sarah Palin use it in that fashion at some point?
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| parent )if she has. But if people wanted to find out if she was a racist, that would be the place to look.
It was something that occurred to as I typed. I should do some googling. She may well have very good relations with the Native Alaskan communities and would never say such a thing. But that laughing at the "b&@ch" crack shows me she's got no problem with casual slurs used against her enemies.
It was just an example of something that wouldn't be a racial slur down here.
I absolutely hate the term.
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| parent )LA Progressive?
Pretty weak source, wouldn't you think?
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)"Lucille" is a syphilitic alcoholic 5-time divorcee who is waitressing on a prison-release program and was paid by Move-On to leak this story, according to Rush Limbaugh.
Sigh. Who you gonna believe these days?
I move we ban the word 'c---' from the site as well.
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)declare that if I, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, son of Julia Soaemias and grandson of Julia Maesa sister of Caracalla, High Priest of El-Gabal, ruler of the wasteland and Ayatollah of Rock'nRollah, am graced by other Forvm members to be elected as consul, I... I mean moderator, I will hereby abolish the use of the C-word on the Forvm!*
*Just throwing it out there again.
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| parent )that Sarah Palin has no problem with lovely terms of endearment such as "bitch" being used to describe people she has political differences with. Granted she did not say it herself -- she merely giggled when it was said.
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| parent )Gonna quote the 'n-word' to me again? I know how you love to talk dirty. it's cuz of your mean racist relatives, I know. Do you giggle when you type it? Or just drool?
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| parent )It's starting to look like suspension season is almost upon us.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )exactly why this is a posting rule violation?
Obviously banning me is much easier than addressing the real problem of obscenity usage here.
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| parent )1- it seems that there is exactly one poster who sees a problem with obscenity usage at the Forvm, and that is you. Hence, there is no problem. At least 1% will complain about anything.
2- ROASTING POOLS.
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| parent )and I will continue to do so. Therefore back to the topic at hand do you think that Sarah's reaction to that word was appropriate?
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| parent )Our correspondence is at an end.
If you review your recent comments to me you will notice that nearly every one of them contains a dirty word masquerading as some kind of political litmus test ('what do you think about ____ use of the word '___'?") This is obviously your schtick.
In medical terms it's known as 'copralalia'...
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| parent )and your steady stream of insults doesn't really bother me much. It does not reflect well on you though. In any case I have used "dirty words" as you put it in only two posts. The first time you claimed that it was not really a valid quote -- basically calling me a liar and making accusations that I had gone back and edited two posts. You have not retracted those accusations and I would request that the moderators examine them to determine who is a liar.
The usage this time is a valid quote and a video has been posted here for all to see so you can't deny that. I think Sarah's reaction to it says something about her. What pray tell is wrong with asking your opinion of it? If you don't want to answer that's fine but your need to spew insults is puzzling.
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| parent )I would request that the moderators examine them to determine who is a liar.
to determine who's lying/mistaken, etc.
They're looking to catch the PRs that have recently occurred when they're around and hoping folks don't decide to waste their time for the glory of insulting someone over the internet.
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| parent )just to be clear though I was not asking them to determine if I had really heard the quote since they would not have any means to do so. Whether or not I edited the posts in the fashion that K claimed was what I meant. In any case I agree that insulting someone over the internet is a bit pointless.
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| parent )Indeed it does. It rules. And it rocks.
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| parent )the sourcing here is ... er ... not exactly solid.
This is the kind of thing that cost George Allen his Senate seat because it was caught on video tape, not claimed on some dude's blogger page.
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)"Charley James is an American journalist, author and essayist who lives in Toronto."
He's also a fulltime Obama blogger at my.barackobama.com who incites people to attend McCain rallies and 'drown him out'. In one of his posts, he invents a lakeside Ontario mugging by an angry 'American tourist' who punches out both him and his dog. Because he's wearing a 'Bush Lied' T-Shirt!
None of his posts, which I've just slogged through, are sane or make sense--and he's never set foot in Alaska.
Yet SpinDoctor here has seen fit to toilet-paper us with a diary that's nothing but a quote from this guy's ranting, delusional imagination...
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| parent )Charley James, an Obama surrogate. We should take bets to see how fast the Obama campaign will scrub him.
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| parent )No one cares about the VP! Dan Quayle couldn't sink Bush I. Palin's not going to do any worse than him in the debates.
We are wasting our time w. this penny-ante stuff.
McCain is claiming Obama wants to raise taxes and implying that he won't offshore drill.
Have Ds decided how to hit back other than some trivial complaints about his VP pick?
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)McCain should be the target, Palin can be dismissed with inexperience and corruption charges.
Bill Clinton, as usual, was right about what the major theme of the campaign should be - it's the economy. Democratic ads talking about exploding deficits, the government bailing out $5 trillion of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mistakes, unemployment, all tied to the failed policies of the Republican administration and McCain's enabling of their policies. That's what will win the election, not Palin.
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| parent )If Palin becomes the focal point, McCain is doomed. He's already Owes His Soul to the Company Store, now he's surrendering his message, too.
As long as the Dems can restrain themselves, hermetically seal themselves off from the smear machine, the TMZ and National Enquirer will do all the dirty work.
Palin's got a great big mouth, as does every pit bull, and whether or not it's got lipstick, big mouths say stupid things. Pit bulls aren't the brightest dogs in the world, and nobody's ever going to accuse Sarah Palin of being an Innerleckshul. Let her hang herself, given enough rope she'll do it, and quick. Then what's McCain gonna do?
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| parent )As long as the Dems can restrain themselves, hermetically seal themselves off from the smear machine, the TMZ and National Enquirer will do all the dirty work.
A whole lot of people haven't realized that the great reason for the successes that the GOP does enjoy electorally is not being dirty. It's having a candidate say happy, friendly things to reassure the fence sitters of the electorate while at the same time having folks who have enough plausible deniability spewing the worst sort of hate and lies. It's kind of the equivalent of how Arafat would give speeches in English that talked about peace and coexistence and speeches in Arabic that were all about Jew-killing.
If the American left can figure out how to manage such two-track message delivery, the Republicans are doomed for at least a generation.
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| parent )you have a few leaks.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )40 Way To Be Rich By Next Year?!?!?!?!?!!!!
I'm SO buying that issue.
--~At times like these I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates when he said...."I drank what?"
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| parent )I still think of it as a black and white newsprint tabloid. Clearly i am out of touch with American culture since I quit going to the beauty shop. (channeling my grandmother I just realised.)
And that Shannon Doherty..some things never change...sigh.
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| parent )Holy Return to Oblivion, Batman!
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| parent )Why doesn't Shannen Doherty just disappear already and leave those kids alone?!
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| parent )I'm not so sure about that.
Getting this kind of attention from US and The Enquirer only happens if you're a star.
If enough of the allegations are true, then she won't be VP or be able to run for Pres -- but I'd bet she gets her own TV talk show, and one that'd get big ratings, making her a permanent fixture in the political scene for decades.
--Steven Palmer Peterson
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| parent )from US and The Enquirer only happens if you're a star"
... or a trainwreck. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson and Britney Spears wouldn't agree with you.
On the other hand, I have no problem with her getting a talk show after she and McCain lose the election.
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| parent )Edwards is now trying to kiss and make up with all those people on his own staff who believed his lies. They're telling him "don't call back, John" and hanging up on him.
If there's fire under this Troopergate and/or the other sex scandals, she's toast. Stick a fork in Sarah, see if the moose burger is done.
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| parent )The affair, yes. End of the day, the ex-hubby fellow has sounded like enough of a piece of work that I suspect a lot of people wouldn't mind a mild abuse of power directed at him. Short of a very direct smoking gun, she walks.
Lying about an affair to the other hockey moms, though....
--The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of folly is to people the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer
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| parent )I agree with your assessment, BG: it's never the sin, it's the cover-up and the lies.
My adopted daughter was maybe seven at the time, still a doubting, fearful little creature, barely spoke English, this must have been a few months after she came up to the States. She'd never known her real Dad, and we both had some issues getting used to the arrangement, for I had never been a Dad before, either.
Well, she did something wrong and I had to do some minor course correction. I remember telling her: "If you tell me what you do wrong, before I find out about it, I will never get angry at you, remember, I'm your Dad now, and I'm supposed to be on your side."
"Really?" she asked me, incredulous. "Oh, sure" I said, "I expect everyone fails sometimes, I know I do. But I always tell people when bad things happen, especially at work, so it's never a surprise to them. Oh they won't like it, but they can't accuse me of lying about it, or covering it up, and it's much better for me, because that tells them I take responsibility for what I do."
So she unburdened herself of half a dozen minor infractions, all quite petty, just crying her eyes out. It was a tender moment. We got off to a pretty good start.
The truth will set you free, but first it puts you through the wringer.
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| parent )My feeling is that trooper-gate, if true, hurts her on VP or, especially, Presidential possibilities -- but not on being a star.
Affair though would sink her across the board. America isn't remotely even-handed about that sort of thing with women.
--Steven Palmer Peterson
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| parent )America isn't remotely even-handed about that sort of thing with women.
When's the last time we had a female political sex scandal? I can't think of any, though there were a lot of scurrilous rumors about Hillary having few lesbian trysts.
It's all too stupid for words. Americans, for all their obsession with pornography and plastic surgery and Jerry Springer, are often the most prudish and ridiculous people on the planet. Maybe the Arabs are sorta prudish, but they have Dubai for an outlet.
Speaking of Dubai, there's an amazing story breaking about the murder of a Lebanese singer, Suzan Tamim. The amazing part of this story is not the murder, but the arrest itself. Normally, as in the first link, Egyptians never prosecute their bigwigs.
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| parent )Apparently you didn't run across the article outlining the recent arrest of two Brit tourists in Dubai for having sex on the beach. And we're not talking about Muslim problems with mixed alcoholic drinks.
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| parent )on earth. Mos Eisley spaceport: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
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| parent )Edwards is a wealthy, Democrat, guy. Palin is a Republican, small-town hockey mom -- I just think there's a big audience that will simultaneously enjoy rubber-necking and tut-tut-ing at her problems and sympathizing with her complaints.
It's worked for the entire Spears clan, Hilton, and Dina Lohan.
I'm just waiting for the Sarah Palin line of Alaska chic to show up at Wal*Mart.
--Steven Palmer Peterson
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| parent )Over there by the fishing lures and cheap shotguns, you'll find Sarah Palin's outfit for the Inaugural Ball.
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| parent )The US will toy w. her like we did w. the metric system and then toss her away.
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| parent )Lord, it sure is funny watching a man who's just caved in to every Repub special interest, most especially the Christian Taliban.
Talk about being a Maverick. McCain looks a lot like Musharraf these days: talking tough, doing nothing, getting caught out in a zillion panders. Let's not even talk about the free use of Budweiser corporate aircraft, he's obviously learned nothing from his Keating 5 scandal.
Let's just put it baldly, McCain can run on his record all seven days of the week and the Dems will punish him with his every utterance. There's only one consistent aspect to the McCain / Palin campaign: the lies. Obama will lower taxes. He'll lower taxes on capital gains, he'll lower taxes for 95% of the taxable persons. Yet still this lie is repeated, over and over.
There's also the lie about Iraq to manage. Bill O'Reilly was bushwhacked into admitting the Iraqis haven't held up their end of the bargain -- have you seen the tape? Billo got hornswoggled. Obama managed the Iran issue with aplomb and style, saying he's not going to tip his hand.
Here's how Obama's going to manage these lies: he'll take them straight to the right wing pundits, doing to them what he's presently doing to O'Reilly.
As for Palin, she's already shot herself in the foot. Let Palin go out to repeat these idiotic lies, over and over, but never grant an interview. The Dems will turn to the Sabbath Gasbags and push her arguments into the wood chipper. Brrrrzzz! There goes Palin the Pawn. Now that McCain has picked her, he's stuck with her. She might as well have a set of concentric rings painted on her ass: the Dems have eviscerated her type on the mainland. She might be a hunter, but she's no soldier. destroying her is simple: lure her into an ideological kill zone and cut her to pieces with her own bumptious utterances. If Palin won't talk to the press, so be it. We will, and we'll take our arguments to the source: the right wing pundits themselves.
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