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Kennedy is SCOTUS's 'super median'

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At least compared to every other justice appointed since 1953:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PFRWv6GaC00/SkosbeIhqsI/AAAAAAAAAAk/B6Qi7n4_TBQ/s1600-h/Graph.png

When median Justices are ideologically remote from their nearest colleagues, they will emerge as super medians. They will find themselves on the winning side of cases, breaking ties throughout the term, and authoring opinions in key cases. But when medians are ideologically proximate to their closest colleagues, they will be far less dominant.

http://epstein.law.northwestern.edu/research/SuperMedians.html

box office totals adjusted for inflation

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I'm unsure when i last saw this list, but here's the top 20:

Gone With the Wind
Star Wars
The Sound of Music
E.T.
The Ten Commandments
Titanic
Jaws
Doctor Zhivago
The Exorcist
Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
101 Dalmations
The Empire Strikes Back
Ben-Hur
Return of the Jedi
The Sting
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jurassic Park
The Graduate
The Phantom Menace
Fantasia

Comments: the Exorcist is required re-watching for everyone who participated in the jindal discussion -- me, Jordan, Scott, BD, and Blue. Edit: and hobbesist, too.

Fantasia and The Graduate are very good movies.

The Exorcist, Doctor Zhivago, and Jaws are pretty good movies.

The Phantom Menace and Titanic are the only two stinkers on the list as far as I know (I haven't seen Gone With that old Wind or Ben-Hur.)

This list is comforting compared to highest box office grossings that aren't adjusted for inflation. Those lists have way suckier movies on em.

Doctor Zhivago?

(#173305)

I liked it, but I would have guessed it was too slow and drawn out for most people (same thing for Lawrence of Arabia) to be in the top 20.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

I Remember Reading An Interview With Omar Sharif. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .from the late 1980s (when LoA was re-released in widescreen theaters--Steve Peterson and I went with some of our friends to a showing in Universal City and were duly impressed), and at one point he was commenting on how remarkable it was that it was made at the time--never mind how impossible it would be to get it made today. The movie, among other things, was four hours long, had no women in it, and had no (at the time) major stars. Not to mention the filming conditions weren't exactly ideal. And yet, it became a hit and a classic. Sometimes, unexpected things happen.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I'm guessing

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the studios had deeper pockets back then to take such a gamble.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

Memo To Harley

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M Scott Eiland's picture

If Jeter is telling the truth, that entire umpiring crew needs to be fired immediately for incompetence--and Selig should join them in oblivion if the firing takes longer than a week. There's been a lot of bad ball and strike calls this year, but ignorance of the rules to that extent should be grounds for immediate termination--and the fact that the others didn't step in to reverse the idiot at third should get them fired, too.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Ouch

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Rob Neyer's reaction says it all: "Ump Makes Up Rule."

For what it's worth, the reaction of the crew chief suggests that the other umps didn't get close enough to the argument to hear what Jeter had heard (and what Girardi said to get tossed), and Hirschbeck's comment about Jeter's reaction was remarkable:

"In my 27 years in the big leagues, Jeter might be the classiest person I've ever been around in uniform," Hirschbeck said. "If that was what he was told, that would make (Jeter's) actions seem appropriate. I would think that would aggravate him."

Still, as the crew chief he (and the others) probably should have shown more interest in Jeter's rather unusual reaction. I'll amend my comments to say that Foster should be fired and the others reprimanded for not investigating an obvious problem.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I didn't follow the link...

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Zelig's picture

...but I'm sure I saw the play in question, a replay, sans sound. That one ump's comment re: the ball arriving first is insane. I loathe all Yankees, but Jeter was robbed. That was a brilliant slide. Pure poetic baserunning.

Me: We! -- Ali

Oddly Enough. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .Jeter was apparently criticized for trying to steal third with no out--a move which is mildly antipercentage but not worth second-guessing a player of Jeter's track record for.*

*--if there had been two out, I'd have been more inclined to criticize him, as there's little benefit to taking that extra base when the runner can't score on an out.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Agreed.

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Zelig's picture

The rules of stealing are sort of meant to be broken, especially if you're a great baserunner and saw something, like the pitcher/catcher getting just a little lazy, which might give him a 6 inch edge. Of course he'd never try such a thing with 2 out. Unless, of course, the pitcher or catcher gave him a much larger edge.

If Lasorda managed that game, he'd be backslapping Jeter, not second-guessing him.

Me: We! -- Ali

The Dominator In Twilight

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Phillies reps watch Pedro Martinez work out in the Dominican Republic.

Pitching is scarce these days, and the Phillies could use an edge in the East to hold off the Marlins, Braves, and Mets. If Pedro is looking good and his salary demands are not extortionate, the Phillies would probably be wise to snap him up before someone else does.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

A Jew's got to do what a Jew's got to do

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can I get an Amen-

Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation -- what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

No amen!

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If you like the outcome of threatening Iran or greenlighting an airstirke, that's one thing.

But the reasoning is specious. We subsidize Israel and have interests in the region. They should participate in the US's overall policy or we should cut em loose.

They'll Cut *Us* Loose. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .if it comes down to that or letting the crazy people destroy them--and they might be less picky about how much of a mess they make in the process if making us happy is no longer an issue. Watching The One act like a fool regarding Honduras--not to mention seeing Honduras gleefully extend their middle digit at OAS and indirectly at Pennsylvania Avenue--certainly isn't going to make it more likely that Israel will play ball: Honduras doesn't have a powerful lobby in DC, after all.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Israel cutting *us* loose?

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We're supposed to be seriously worried about that?

Depends On What You Mean By "Worry"

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M Scott Eiland's picture

If you think that it's a good idea to have an Israel that's both:

--genuinely fearful for its survival in the relatively short run, and;

--completely unconstrained by the need to keep the US happy

then I suspect you're in a small minority in that position. In any event, if Obama pushes a genuinely anti-Israel course, he's going to take a swift kick to the nads from a good portion of his own party in Congress, along with the Republicans.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Yes he will

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take a kick in the nads, so to speak.

Which supports my pt. The US has never tried to exercise leverage over Israel to an extent that would warrant Israel's cutting ties.

The leverage mostly goes the other way via e.g. AIPAC.

You're worrying about a far out hypo.

We subsidize other countries in the region besides Israel

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and those other countries don't have the history of participating in the US's overall policy as much Israel does, so I would think we should cut them loose before we do Israel.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

Like Egypt?

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Are we supposed to believe the US would support Egypt's 'sovereign' decision to attack whatever country in the region it determined was in its interest?

Please. We get what we pay for with subsidizing Egypt. We should expect the same for Israel.

Depends on the country

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I could see us continuing to support Egypt if they decided to attack some countries over others.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

But that's just my pt.

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It's not up to sovereign Egypt to decide which countries.

That's what I was taking issue with with Biden's quote.

So, no amen!

Have to disagree

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it is up to Egypt, with the possibility of losing our subsidies being one of many factors in their decision.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

It's up to Egypt in some sense of course

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The military follows the president's orders.

But we don't support their 'sovereign' right to do what they determine is in their own interest.

We pay them to consider ours.

A pretty simple point that Egypt's post-79 behavior bears out.

True

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but I find consideration to be a bit different than coerced participation in our goals and programs.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

Riots

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in China. Massed police look pretty threatening.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/05/china-uighur-riots-xianjing

Travel Tips?????

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So a pal of mine just finished eight years on a TV show, and he's decided the best way to celebrate unemployment is to rent a villa on Lake Como for two weeks. And even better, invite me and the family to join him. (His wife is an old friend, his daughter is one of Tess's best friends.)

Mooch Vacation!!

Any suggestions? I'll be in Milan for two days. Then, god help me, driving to Como. So far The Lovely Deanna has identified some outlet shopping opportunities -- including the deleriously excessive outlet mall called Foxtown in Switzerland. Which has its own casino!

Heh.

There's also a bar in Bellagio based on Dante's inferno. The upper story is, well, you know, full of cherubs and a skylight. The basement room is all black light and papier-mache demons. Not sure how they dress up purgatory. Maybe they make you wait an extra long time for a table.

Heh.

Any suggestions would be welcome. Suggestions involving wine or cheese or ham accrue bonus points.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Dress like Perry Como.

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Zelig's picture

Houndstooth blazer and a dark blue printed silk ascot. Cigarettes a must. A pair of sunglasses, like in Scott's avatar, would work. Buy a couple of packs of fake cigarettes from a prop house before you leave and stuff a few into a Virginia Slims pack. You will be good to go.

Me: We! -- Ali

Do you do this just to excite envy

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and hatred in your direction? What is this - 2 months after extended ham-tasting in Spain? Why should we even care?

Here's something I did around the Lakes. Don't bother to buy wine in wineshops. Go to the vineyards, if you know someone who owns or runs one (I did). If they like you they'll show you the good stuff, they keep 'em in 10 litre plastic jerrycans in their attics. The guy I knew didn't really keep tabs on which was what vintage, so it was a little bit of taste and choose - but that's an activity, too.

You might be just in time to catch the end of the cherry season, off the trees. Which is an event in itself. The kids will love it.

As for hams, you're not too far from Parma. Also try the uncooked ham - crudo.

Rent an Innocenti and park on the sidewalk.

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or better yet, drive it right into a cafe, order a Punt e Mes and then tootle off the way you came in, letting that 0.06 horsepower per kilo have its full head. Then bring it back in your luggage and drive through Compton in it.

Wait, I found a better car for you to pick up at the airport:

Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

Going to Switzerland to see an outlet store seems pretty sad

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to me. I guess you're limited as to how far into Switzerland you can travel but consider visiting Gruyere, Lucern, Chateau de Chillion or Zermat or something rather than an outlet store.

Sad?

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I got plenty of cross-cultural worldliness out of my visit to the Yokohama El Torito. Consider: an American chain restaurant serving up its vision of authentic Mexican cuisine to fans of the Yokohama BayStars. Fajitas ... with chopsticks!

El Torito in Beverly Hills...

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Zelig's picture

...is a great place to eat. I know my comidas mexicanas and I recommend this El Torito, and this one only, to anybody who visits LA and wants a great meal.

Me: We! -- Ali

Now You're Talking

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i think there's room for a good restaurant review book on this subject. La Perla is my favorite joint in Paris. A bizarre Mexican restaurant that is just right, given the context. Then there's the creme fraiche in the enchiladas...

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Paging Harley, HankP and moderators

(#173182)

Why don't you do that? Set up a permanent restaurant review on the Forvm FP (or sidebar).

Indexed by country and city and *Top Picks*. We can all add our 2p seriatim. Include the *worst* ones, too.

Who knows, after 2 years it could be a *Very Important International Resource*.

I think it will have to wait

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until I move the site to a new host, I have just about every add-on turned off to preserve RAM (which has the side effect of making the site faster). There are plenty of features I'd like to implement but we're right on the edge of working properly right now.

I blame it all on the Internet

It could just start out as a diary...

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Zelig's picture

...that is manually moved by the mods to keep it on the fp. MM could come up with a format that we would adhere to that could easily be converted to a list at some later date.

Workable?

Me: We! -- Ali

There are basically two ways to do it

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if you remember, we used to have categories listed at the top of the front page (War, Foreign Policy, Culture, etc.) They got lost during the last version upgrade, and the current theme was designed for v4 (we're on v5 and planning to move to v6) so I didn't want to spend a lot of time fixing it. When we move to a new host and upgrade, the new version of the site supports categories. We'll just add one for Reviews and with proper tagging we'll be able to sort by geographical location, type, reviewer, etc.

The other option would be to set up a separate page listing reviews, the problem is that I'd have to manually update it every time a review is posted to provide a link to the review.

The bottom line is that I really don't want to mess with anything systemic right now, we're so restricted on the RAM we have to use that even minor changes could push us over the limit.

I blame it all on the Internet

It's your call.

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Zelig's picture

Perhaps you just hate restaurants.

;-}

Me: We! -- Ali

OK

(#173296)

I created a new category for diaries called "Restaurant Reviews", when you create a diary you can pick that out of the list of topics. If you'd like, you can also enter keywords like "Chicago", "Thai" or one through five stars "***" in the keywords field (don't use the double quotes, though). You guys can start writing them now, after we move and upgrade I'll be able to put in a simple block so you can search through the reviews.

I blame it all on the Internet

OK, then. When is this to happen? -nt-

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I'm researching hosts now

(#173295)

we have to move before the current year expires at our current host in October, so I'll probably move it in August.

I blame it all on the Internet

That would be fun.

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Zelig's picture

I can think of three upscale restaurants that poisoned me. In fact, perhaps the two best meals I've ever eaten have ended up on the street or in the toilet.

Me: We! -- Ali

I'm quite prepared to run the list.

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If HP could tell me how to set it up.

I'm going out to Thailand in Sept, hopefully - I know that several forvmites have been there. It would be fun to know which ones came up to expectations.

Also, it would be one place where one didn't have to argue over liberal v conservative issues.

Well then I would despise it on principle.

(#173275)

This is primarily a US political website. It's all we know and love.

yep

(#173297)

it feels awkward to bring other subjects into this place.

So you don't want to hear about where...

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Zelig's picture

...I got poisoned? What a spoilsport.

Me: We! -- Ali

Heh

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Did I mention they have a casino?

I've seen most of the sights I need to see. Frankly, I'm happier in a cafe with a view. And anyway, everybody knows the only reason you go to Switzerland is to buy a cuckoo clock. Geesh.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Yeah, I've seen a lot of sights too.

(#172959)

I can pretty much guarantee that the cafe you'll find in Lucern will please you and the childer more than anything Foxymall has to offer, but vive la difference!

And That's Exactly WHere I'll Be

(#172961)

While others shop.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

My advice? Get a really good camera

(#172907)

and some old guy who knows Lombardy well, have him take you about to see the real Lombardy. It's paradise.

I vote we have a new vote.

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I have no problem with the people selected in this round, but have doubts on the accuracy of the tally.

The site has been acting weird on me for at least since we went back in time, which is weird all by itself. I get kicked out and need to log in again about every 3-4 times I visit, for no apparent reason. Sometimes entire diaries with comments show up after I do so that I could not see before.

Have the election again after some of the recent kinks have been ironed out.

And I want the last election redone as well.

(#172966)

This time without Hank being allowed to run a grass-roots, C.R.E.E.P.-funded campaign aimed solely at my ouster. He even wrote a Canuck Letter to grease the skids.

Politicians spend our money like a pimp with only a week to live.  CJ Boxx

The Guardian Council

(#172930)

Rejects your sore-loser moping and considers the irregularities to be insufficiently problematic to deny our glorious troika from their hard-earned victory.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

But apropos of weird stuff happening on the site...

(#172931)

Has anyone noticed that we've lost most of the posts for 2009? Are we going to get them back ever?

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Please tell me where you are seeing this

(#172975)

I'm not seeing anything missing.

I blame it all on the Internet

recent diaries list

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TXG1112's picture

If you look at the recent diaries list the diary after the "Election for the New Troika" is "More about water wars" dated 12/2/08.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

I'm not seeing it

(#172983)

I see all diaries listed as usual. Could you guys and anyone else having this problem let me know the following:

- What browser are you using? Have you tried clearing the cache for the browser?

- Have you noticed any date related issues with any other sites? Any missing stuff anywhere else?

- Are you using any script blocking or user blocking software? Any internet security related software other than Windows firewall?

First I have to see if I can detect a pattern before I can start working on a fix.

I blame it all on the Internet

IE 8

(#172992)
M Scott Eiland's picture

What is this cache thing you speak of? :-P

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Try it now, guys

(#173004)

I reproduced the problem and I think I managed to fix it. Let me know.

I blame it all on the Internet

woot!

(#173038)
TXG1112's picture

You da man!

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

Diaries are back now, thanks, Hank!

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You da man, Hank. Works perfectly now.

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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 GTB5

Working for me now. Thanks. -nt-

(#173008)

OK

(#172993)

I'll try looking at the database structure tonight when everyone's off. The data is all there, I just have to figure out why it showing up for some and not for others. I'll start with clearing the Drupal cache, terminating all persistent login sessions and rebuilding several key tables in the database.

I blame it all on the Internet

FF 3.5

(#172990)

adblock, ubuntu 9.04, no firewall.

Nowhere else but here.

pertinent info

(#172987)
TXG1112's picture

Firefox 3.0.8 with adblock - error occurs with adblock both enabled and disabled.

Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.11 error also occurs. I never use this browser for surfing so its not a cache issue.

Mozilla 1.7.13 - same issue.

System is running Win XP SP3. Seems to happen whether I'm logged in or not, and I haven't noticed any odd happenings with other sites. No security software other than a firewall.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

Firefox 3.0.8 at home, Safari for Mac

(#172986)

at work. No unusual blockers running. Just cleared the cache, and still missing all diaries/comments from early December til late last week. (All the Iranian diaries, etc.)

Safari Mac here

(#172994)

and yes, the site's messed up for me.

I'm still seeing it too, Hank.

(#172978)

Or not seeing it. 5-6 months' worth of diaries are gone, far as my work & home browsers are concerned. I got nothing from Manish's December 2 diary on water wars in China

http://theforvm.org/diary/mmghosh/more-about-water-wars

all the way up to your June 28 election vote diary

http://theforvm.org/election-new-troika

All interim diaries & comments have pulled a Sarah. That goes for both the Recent Diaries list, and the "older" front pages list. A number of people in Bernard's diary

http://theforvm.org/diary/bernard-guerrero/newsflash-forvm-hit-coup-film-11

seemed to notice the same effect, and you can see Harley, Zelig, Jay C, Vinteuil & User necroposting sarcastic jokes about Zombie Michael Jackson in Manish's old diary.

Anyhow for the record I'm missing diaries and comments from at least 12/5/08 up until last week. If it's too much trouble getting them back, there's no need to go crazy I'd think. Not that I have anything to hide. :)

"Necroposting"

(#172991)

First time seen it used.

Old Usenet term, still in use

(#173019)

on discussion forums, not so much on blogs.

Yea!!! Woo Hoo!!!

(#172984)
Zelig's picture

I *Knew* somebody could explain it.

Me: We! -- Ali

I agree

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TXG1112's picture

I didn't vote at all due to the irregularities with both the voting process and the site in general. I would like to see a new vote as well, but if there is no consensus for this I don't have a problem with the latest slate.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

I'll be Damned, I Guess we Did Have an Election....

(#172868)

...I was curious but afraid to ask...lol

Today, we have new mods listed...

Congratulations to Bernard, Marcus Aurelius and Sulla.

All hail the brand spanking new Triumvirate!

The term triumvirate (from Latin, "of three men") is commonly used to describe a political regime dominated by three powerful individuals. The arrangement can be formal or informal, and though the three are usually equal on paper, in reality this is rarely the case.

Let the internecine warfare begin!

Best Wishes, Traveller

Not That I Object To That Panel. . .

(#172869)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .but Hank just got back today--did he see our discussion about the problems with the voting mechanism and note the consensus that it would be best to restart the vote when he got back? This group of three is fine with me, but others might feel differently, based on the disruption of the voting process.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

That wasn't our impression of the consensus

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--'our' meaning MA, Sulla, BG, myself & Wags--but we might be wrong about that. For the record, Sulla was in favor of a revote; Wags & I were against; and the other two were indifferent. The then-current-troika had come to the conclusion that the voting confusion likely wasn't severe enough to substantially affect the outcome. Hank, for his part, just put our decision into effect; he stayed out of the deliberations, such as they were.

If there's real concern about the fairness, I say we leave BG, MA & Sulla in as interim mods, and do a re-vote in the next week or so. I happen to think that's altogether unnecessary, though.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Agreed. However, one thing that's different...

(#172878)
Zelig's picture

...about this election compared with other elections with extreme voting irregularities, is that I can detect no ulterior motives anywhere.

Should we have a new vote? I have no strong feelings either way.

Me: We! -- Ali

To spur this along a little

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if this election holds, there are 2 (and perhaps more) time outs I'd advocate for in this diary. If that bothers any of you now is the time to ask for a do over.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

Hunh?

(#172901)

I'm not sure McKinney can be given a time out as she is not, as I understand it, a Forvm commenter.

Did I mention how much I love the Tigers?

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

That makes one of us

(#172904)

I've blown out both knees hopping on and off that band wagon this year. Going down to Comerica tonight though, they're giving away floppy hats.

"We should not tie the hands of law enforcement in the effort to bring these terrorists to justice"- Leon E. Panetta

"Aliens" Rule

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M Scott Eiland's picture

We need to ban Cyndy from orbit--it's the only way to be sure.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

You Can Never Ban Her

(#172908)

You can only hope to contain her.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Gee. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .a guy maybe wins a kind of weird election, and he gets all cryptic on us. ]:-)

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

As I told the other former troika members in private.....

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Bernard Guerrero's picture

....I'm pretty neutral on it. There wasn't much of an outcry in favor of a re-vote, but I certainly wouldn't stand in the way if one develops.

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

Federer wins #15

(#172809)

Whatever. I'm sick of that guy.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Just incredible to watch

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I'm gonna tell my 16 month old son he watched it (in the background, while playing, but still) when he's old enough to care. That fifth set was amazing, you really got the feeling they could have held serve until it got dark.

Roddick played almost perfectly; no doubt he wants the 6-5 point in the first tiebreak back, but then Federer made some errors to get broken twice too. Really, though, just a handful of bad shots between them in such a long match. That they continued to play at a very high level through 30(!) games of the fifth set shows just how physically and mentally tough they both were.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

I don't know about holding until it got dark

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... Roddick was definitely flagging, I think, serving at 13-14 and 12-13. (Also--new roof! With lights! They can go on all night!) Whereas he'd been holding at love or 15 for the most part (for the whole match, really--there were, what, two or three games that went to deuce on Roddick's serve before the 5th set?), suddenly Federer was getting into his service games a bit. He wasn't doing whatever he was doing before to keep Federer from reading his serves (which was what, by the way?!), or at least not as well. That's not a knock against Roddick, mind you--how anybody serves the way he does for any length of time at all, to say nothing of doing so for a decade without a shoulder injury--but the last few games looked more like the Federer match-ups from years past.

But yes, completely commendable & admirable performances from both men. And I'll give Federer this--his public persona may chap my ass to no end, but he's helped to give us three classic finals at Wimbledon for the past three years. That's a better legacy--and one he should be more proud of--than any trophy count.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Oh. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .and Andy Roddick will never have to justify his career to anyone ever, ever again--not unless the questioner wants to be mocked into a sobbing fit by anyone who happens to be nearby. On rare occasions, a sporting event turns into a duel that captures the imagination of millions and exalts its participants in a way that endures for as long as there are those who know and love the history of the sport. The 2009 Wimbledon Mens Singles Final was such an event.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

It was a great performance by Roddick.

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I confess, I expected it end up with Federer winning in three or four--maybe two tight tiebreaks, with Roddick taking one of them. I wasn't giving Roddick, or all the work he's put into his game since going out in the 2nd round of Wimbledon last year, enough credit. He served phenomenally well, sure--and for whatever reason, today Federer couldn't read it as well as he has in the past--but, for long stretches of the match, he was playing just as well from the baseline as Federer was. That was very unexpected.

Look, the man squeezed out every last ounce of game he had out there--he left absolutely nothing on the court. That it still wasn't enough to get a title that, I suspect, would've meant more to Roddick than any five of Federer's put together mean to him, just plain sucks. I'm gutted for the man, and I'll be rooting hard for him at the USO--or the AO, or (esp.) Wimbledon. I think I won't be the only one.

But I will say that this match reminded me why I'm glad they slowed down the grass from its speed in the 1990s--in all 73 games + 2 tiebreaks in that match, I don't think there were more than two small handfuls of 10+ shot rallies. While this was an epic match, I don't think it rises to the level of the Borg-McEnroe or Nadal-Federer classics.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Guess Who Else Won Today

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M Scott Eiland's picture

"Greedy Host" wins his third tournament of the year.

Of course, it's not a major--so Federer is back in the catbird seat until Tiger wins another one of those.*

*--the video in the link noted that this was the sixth time that Tiger won a tournament on the same day that Federer won a major. Of course, this has more to do with sheer volume of wins by Tiger (and major wins by Federer) than any cosmic coincidence.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

An interesting post about the US flag:

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http://www.metafilter.com/83015/Wayne-Whipples-Peace-Flag

On June 14, 1777, the Continental Congress passed its Flag Resolution which described the flag only in general terms. "Resolved that the flag of the United States be 13 stripes alternate red and white, that the union be 13 stars white in a blue field representing a new constellation." Nothing in the resolution dictated how the stars and stripes were to be arranged, resulting in some interesting designs.

Evolution gradually losing public support.

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So says a well-crafted internet website. So, if this is true, western tradition seems to be moving away, slowly, from its Enlightenment roots. Which may not be a bad development for us, as it will be interesting to see which way the debate moves in the next 20 years.

Of the BRIC countries, Russia has a strong tradition of atheism, derived from the legacy of the Soviet Union. I would put China and ourselves, philosophically, on the side of evolution because of the consonance with Hindu, Buddhist and Confucian views. I have no idea how strong Brazil's RC tradition is, but I hear a bit about evangelism, group exorcisms etc there, so it may not be too different from the general trend in the west. What is also interesting is the close connection between free marketeers and evangelicals. I've linked to this series before.

Anthropomorphizing, or daemonomorphizing evil

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is fairly common in many places. We "educated" people give these things names from the DSM-IV, but it wasn't so long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.

No educated person of faith (in my acquaintance, yes that is a logical fallacy) believes the troubled mind is the direct result of some evil spirit. But how much more capable are we as "educated" people to cure depression or schizophrenia or catatonia? We can treat the symptoms, but we're a long way from certified cures. And though psychiatry makes great advances, the Placebo Effect is still with us.

There's a part of everyone that wishes life were as simple as Religion would make it. Faith, well, faith accepts what cannot be seen. Therefore, the faithful doubt where the merely religious are self-assured.

Schizophrenia and depression are treated by drugs

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pretty well, AFAIK.

Treatment of mental illness has seen an enormous change from the days before chemotherapy. While I would be the first to agree that not all problems have been solved, I have seen some dramatic results in my own circle of friends and family - yes, even with the much-maligned ECT. And while anecdote is not statistics, I'm sure there's literature to back this up.

Having said all that, the very poorest (here certainly, and in Brazil too, perhaps) have little option apart from religion and quackery, especially if State-based healthcare doesn't come into the equation. So enlightenment, science etc have to be backed up by State involvement in health care and social care if they are to impact upon the poorest - who otherwise become prey to religiosity. I'm surprised the more mainstream faith-based health charities, in the majority by far, (i.e. those involved with real healthcare) don't fight more against this sort of religious quackery.

That last line of your comment rings very true.

Breaking....Steve McNair Shot and Killed...

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Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed, a source has confirmed to ESPN.com.

McNair, 36, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the head in downtown Nashville, police spokesperson Don Aaron said. A female victim was also found dead. Aaron said the woman has not been identified, pending notification of next of kin.

The incident happened near 2nd South & Lea Ave in Nashville.

**********

I know Nashville a little, I wonder what the real story is?

Still, only 36 years old...too damned young.

I'm curious if it's a suicide or a crime of double homicide?

traveller

My bet is

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that it was over the woman.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Actually, And Interestingly, This Wasn't Over the Woman....

(#172852)

...rather, it was over McNair himself, probably between the woman and his wife, (who was not there, except in spirit...ahhhh...yes).

There is a rule that I wanted to use in the title, but thought it better down here:

Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are.

I'm sure and certain that he was sitting there laughing...when she pulled the trigger.

Best Wishes, Traveller

Boom

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M Scott Eiland's picture

The inevitable happens with two out in the top of the first inning.

A Padre fan caught the ball, and was asked by the FOX guy in the stands why he didn't throw it back, and got the "well, duh" answer: "Because it's worth a lot of money!"

American capitalism is alive and well in San Diego on the Fourth of July, and thank God for it.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Probably get you a severe beating

(#172738)

at minimum, in Lahore or New Delhi or St Johns, Antigua?

GDP by itself, is a poor measure of sophistication or class.

"Something I think most liberals don't understand is exactly how stupid many conservative leaders are." - Matt Yglesias

Laws of Cricket, 5 (The ball)

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That sounds

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vaguely obscene, as the old rugby joke would have it.

Even Worse. . .

(#172742)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .it would apparently result in a outburst of petulant whining here in the United States.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I Am Prepared to Say I Was Wrong on Manny & A-Rod...

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....I still don't like the Juice or anybody taking it.

I consider this to be a viable and honorable position.

But, it does look like things will go well for these lads.

Traveller

Take Your Chavez Fan Club And Shove It

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Honduras withdraws from OAS.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Dodger Notes From the Drinkery

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Zelig's picture

No dedicated sports bars in my neighborhood. Well, that's a lie. There is one, but they're not too fun at all, and cater to rich dillweeds.

So I go to the "real bar" after Manny had been to the plate twice. 0 for 1 with a walk.

"They'll walk him all night", said Trav, (not you, Trav, but a buddy of mine half our age who's an extreme Dodger fan, and a bit of a drunk.) Score: 5-Zip.

"What's with the red hats, guy?", I yelled. The Dodgers were wearing red caps. WTF???

"Don't know. Maybe it's a 4th of July thing. It sucks. Looks like Angels caps", he snarled, grimacing.

"I know, it's because Manny's back and he's on the rag", I offered, innocently.

Travis cocks his fist, and threatens to remove my jaw. All in fun, of course. After all, Manny's got girl hair, and he got caught using girl drugs, so..........

Bartender buys me my second pint.

Padres hit a homer. Clean shot. I go outside to taunt. Travis doesn't like watching Dodger defense, only offense. He'd rather smoke and drink when the enemy is at the plate. "Kurosawa's done for", I offered, purposely mis-pronouncing Kuroda's name.

"We got more, just wait." Travis knows he's being needled, but considering the source, he chuckles, corrects me, then insults me good and proper.

Next thing I know, some Padre launches another one, got it all, and only a fine leaping catch by Juan Pierre saves a certain homer. Replay reveals that Pierre simply loped over a few yards and made an easy catch. Third pint. What do you expect? I'm a lightweight, drinkee-wise.

I'm chatting up the bartender and drift away from the game a bit. After all, she bought me a pint, and she's a fine lass, except for the extra poundage and the tattoos. But what the heck. She's got a Dodger tee shirt, and has a rather fetching sway when she walks. Dodgers up 6-3. The 7th inning just takes forever. She offers me "Yeager-Bomb". I gracefully decline. I'm a lightweight and I've gotta bicycle home. No cabs for Zelig. (Yea, I know what that drink is, I just don't care to explain.)

I look up. Ninth inning. Padres up. "Who is that horse", I gasp as the Dodger closer lets one fly. "Broxton", Steve the bar-back replies. He's drying a glass and can't take his eyes off the screen. Broxton unleashes another. Holy crap. I slap my head. 101 mph fastball, right down the pipe. Game over. A few more pitches, and the game was really was over.

Dodgers win 6-3.

Anybody needing any accuracy regarding this pretty good baseball game should google it. All I got are impressions. Go Dodgers.

Me: We! -- Ali

The Answer Man To The Rescue

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M Scott Eiland's picture

--the red caps are part of the Dodgers road uniform now (batting helmets are still blue). I don't like them either;

--Manny went 0 for 3 with a walk before Pierre came in to replace him, but looked comfortable at the plate. Having him there takes the pressure off the other guys in the lineup (Orlando Hudson's in a nasty slump right now after going great for most of the season, and it's nice to have the luxury of letting him work his way out of it without nervousness);

--Broxton is a horse and throws ridiculously hard, particularly if he's had a day or two of rest. You may not have heard Vin Scully say it, but the pitch that struck out the first Padre batter in the ninth (and which did not show up on the TV radar indicator) clocked in at 103 MPH. Vin, of course, has been around since before the Eisenhower Administration and saw Koufax in his prime, but I thought I detected a note of awe in his voice when he repeated the number.

The Padres look overmatched, but they're tough in this park, particularly against the Dodgers. Best bet for the three game series at this point is the Dodgers winning two out of three and having to work for it.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

*smiles*

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I couldn't have called the result of this three game series more accurately if I'd had a time machine and a crystal ball.

Memo to Harley: if Joe blows a post-season game the way he almost blew today's game by being utterly unprepared for Broxton not having it (and leaving him in long enough to provoke him into throwing a 102 MPH fastball after already having thrown more than 30 pitches), he's going to be unemployed in short order. Seriously.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Muchas gracias.

(#172679)
Zelig's picture

Couldn't hear the audio at the drinkery. And nobody knew the answer to the hat question, though Dodger caps were in abundance. I wore my 49er cap, to show support. 103 mph fastball. Wow...and...Cheers!

Me: We! -- Ali

Re Women With Tats....I Shot these Yeserday...

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Persian/Egyptian...please also see pictures and comments under images:

http://www.pbase.com/cslr_challenge/image/114560064

http://www.pbase.com/cslr_challenge/image/114573159

http://www.pbase.com/cslr_challenge/image/114561102

and some money shot for Mr. BG;

http://www.pbase.com/cslr_challenge/image/114334476

That was a great write-up by you, Zelig...a fun read.

Thanks

Traveller

re: girl tattoos

(#172683)
Zelig's picture

I've got many stories, but no pix I'm allowed to publish.

Here's the most outrageous one:

40-something experimental filmmaker. That's the tip-off. Spends half her time here, other half elsewhere. Has an octopus tat. El Pulpo Gigantico. When normally clothed, we see tentacles gripping all 4 limbs, down past the knees, down past the the elbows and to the wrists. When less clothed we see the body, complete with sharp beak, a glaring eye, and with the other tentacles wrapped around her torso and occupied elsewhere. This is the most stunning yet repulsive tattoo I ever hope to see. The complete work required many sessions and thousands of dollars.

The gal in your pictures sure looks cute. I prefer picture #1.

Me: We! -- Ali

thx. just wanted to show that there's...

(#172681)
Zelig's picture

...more than one way to watch a baseball game.

Me: We! -- Ali

I Don't Mean to Say Anything....but it Has Been Twlight Zone...

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...weird for the Republican party for a while now.

I voted for Bush 1, (I must have lost my mind), but even for me...it just seems odd how terrible things are for Republicans.

Like Karma coming home in a vicious way or something.

Twilight Zone I tell you.

We have somehow stepped into an alternate reality.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.

Traveller

The Return

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Manny walks in first trip to the plate--Dodgers score five runs before the seats get warm.

It's the pine for you, Mr. Pierre.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Off to the drinkery.

(#172645)
Zelig's picture

Thank you Scott.

Later.

Me: We! -- Ali

*smiles*

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Cubans get outsmarted by another baseball prospect.

If he's 21, he may end up as a left-handed version of Stephen Strasburg. If he's 26, he's still going to make a pile of money.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

He Throws 100MPH

(#172714)

I can hear the Yankee wallets opening already. New York Yankees, that is.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

The Other Owners Are Probably Arranging. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .to ship Scott Boras out to meet the guy just to increase the budgetary pain for the Yankees when the inevitable happens.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I need some mail service

(#172617)

that will allow me to send emails to more than 300 recipients at a time. Ideally, to be managed from the Mail app in Mac OSX. Any suggestions?

Gmail tops out at 100. I created a hosted website with Cablevision but they only go up to 250.

This place is my vacation.

you should run a mail server for your website

(#172628)

Thanks

(#172633)

How hard is it to set up?

And will it get rid of any email recipient limits?

This place is my vacation.

it depends

(#172658)

You said you have your own website -- do you have your own domain name? If you have your own domain, you should have your own email -- either through an email host like Gmail for Domains (aka Google Apps) or through your own server with mail software like Exim.

Google Apps:
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html

Exim can be installed on OS X either by hand:
http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/FAQ_20.html

or through MacPorts, which is a package management system for OS X:
http://www.macports.org/

Sorry for pointing you to darwinports.com before, that's actually a fraudulent site:
http://trac.macports.org/wiki/DarwinPorts

The other piece that you need -- and what you were asking about -- is a mailing list. You would set up a list with an address in your domain (yourgroup@yourdomain.org), then set yourself as the only person allowed to send mail to it, and add your recipients as members of the list, after which they would all receive any messages you send to that address. Mailing list software typically does not include the limits that you're running into.

The most common mailing list manager is called GNU Mailman:
http://list.org/
aka
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html

Looks like Mailman runs on OS X:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030523

Mailman can be configured to work with almost any mail server, including exim:
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

Does Cablevision host just web pages for you, or do they give you a machine where you can run any service you like? If they give you a machine, you could run exim and mailman there instead of on your mac.

If you go the Google route, they also have mailing lists as a free service, I think you can add as many addresses to lists you create there as you like, and it's all configurable from their easy to use web interface.

wow thanks username

(#172686)

that will be useful for me too.

How do I bookmark this precise post?
Oh OK, I worked out how to, thanks.

2004 just called

(#172592)

--and it wants its Wimbledon Men's Singles final back. Andy Roddick broke British hearts everywhere by beating Andy Murray, 6-4, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6, to advance to the finals.

While Roddick has been playing some great tennis this year--a SF at the Aussie, his best ever result at the French (R16), and now his first major final in I-honestly-don't-know-how-long (2005 Wimbledon?)--let's not kind ourselves. All the necessary "Any given Sunday"/recognition of epistemic limits/stranger-things-have-happened qualifications notwithstanding, I think we're looking at Federer's 15th. Taking this one to four sets would qualify as a good result for (the other) A-Rod, and even that may be too much to ask.

The Rolex commercials are going to be unbearable.

Bene vixit, bene qui latuit

Nice Try, Plaschke

(#172567)
M Scott Eiland's picture

Your crack assassination team arrived at Petco Park one day too soon.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

"Petco Park"

(#172587)

hah, baseball keeps getting manlier and manlier.

This is just another reason...

(#172612)
Zelig's picture

...I have trouble following pro sports. Sportscasters have been fired for complaining about having to pronounce the local stadium's new name.

I'm sure we could come with some real doozies, but I'm kinda fond of Purina Arena, which just popped into my head.

Me: We! -- Ali

It's Not That Different From The Old Days

(#172618)
M Scott Eiland's picture

Baseball stadiums usually used to be named after the owner of the team at the time--now they name them after a sponsor who helps to pay the bills. Anything that reduces the demand for public funds to build ballparks is OK with me, though I'd suggest that owners insert an ironclad bailout clause for cases where corporate misconduct makes the name a liability (cough cough Enron Field cough cough).

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I'm thinking...

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Zelig's picture

...of Candlestick Park, and the other names assigned to it after this trend became popular, and the sportscasters that ran into difficulties. Then there was the Fabulous Forum, which got changed to the Great Western Forum, long before Staples. To my way of thinking, Candlestick good, Wrigley Field bad, Sportsman's Park good, Petco Park suck. Thankfully Dodger Stadium, or it's former name Chavez Ravine, never succumbed, although I'll always bear a little hatred towards them, deep in my heart.

When Dodger Stadium opened, when, in 1960 or so, they had no drinking fountains. Zero. Some alert city council member noticed this, became outraged, and pushed thru legislation not allowing them to open until they did the right thing. It cost O'Malley plenty, and the surface mounted plumbing is still there today.

I actually have a big problem with most privately owned sports teams. I like the Green Bay model.

Me: We! -- Ali

Is That True About Dodger Stadium and O'Malley?

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...if I learn nothing else here at the Forvm, for all the hours spent, you comment makes it all worthwhile.

Thanks, Zelig.

Traveller

Here's Another "Walter O'Mallery Was A P***k" Story

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M Scott Eiland's picture

When Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the Angels (then known as the Los Angeles Angels) used it when the Dodgers were on the road (which is why Dodger Stadium is still sometimes called "Chavez Ravine"--it gave the Angels and their fans something to call the ballpark that didn't give them another reminder of their subservient status there). O'Malley imposed rather harsh conditions for the arrangement--the Angels had to split the maintenance costs for Dodger Stadium right down the middle with the Dodgers, in spite of the obvious fact that the Dodgers had much larger crowds attending their games and were accounting for the lion's share of the costs. Legend has it that the Angels' GM saw a bill one day that caused him to leap to his feet and storm into Dodger GM Buzzie Bavasi's office, where he slammed the bill onto Buzzie's desk and bellowed, "You're billing us for half the cost for cleaning windows in the executive offices? WE DON'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS IN OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICES!!!"

Quite a piece of work, that Mr. O'Malley.*

*--and Buzzie was a rotten SOB, too.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I never heard of any dirt on Bavasi before.

(#172692)
Zelig's picture

I always considered him sort of a good guy, one of a handful who actively helped integrate baseball, so that black men could play along with white men.

Two truly despicable Dodgers, in my book:

Al Campanis, who revealed himself to be a nasty, ignorant racist on Ted Koppel's Nightline. And...

Tommy Lasorda, although a brilliant manager and field tactician, took a hot, steaming crap on his own son.

Campanis is an easy Google. The deeply disturbing Lasorda affair, not so easy.

Edit: Wikipedia now tells the truth. Lasorda is still in denial. His son is still dead.

2nd Edit: From Wikipedia:

In 1991, Lasorda's son Tommy Lasorda, Jr. (commonly known to friends and family as "Spunky") died of complications related to AIDS. Lasorda was estranged from his son at the time of his death, and refuses to acknowledge his son's homosexuality and the nature of his illness. According to sportswriter Bill Plaschke, when asked about the cause of death Lasorda insists that it was cancer.

(sorry for the Bill Plaschke reference. It seems like he got this one right. Jim Hill tried to break the story on TV, but untimately wimped out.)

Me: We! -- Ali

I wonder why Palin resigned.

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I sure couldn't understand much of her statement. It didn't make a whole lotta sense. Is she an idiot or something?

What do you think her family was thinking?

Is this an outside-the-box prelude to 2012?

Why couldn't her kid -- the one in slippers -- keep still for 7 minutes while on National TV? She looked to be around 8 yrs. old. That's old enough not to stare at the ground, shuffle and make noise while mommy is speaking to the media.

How could Palin ever take a job in the media? She can barely talk with a script. Does anyone else notice this?

I wonder if Todd...

... vagrant enough for ya, Trav.?

Gotta be dirt of some kind.

(#172568)
Bernard Guerrero's picture

Doesn't feel like a big-bucks contract. If somebody just handed me a couple of million to spout off on TV, I'd be high-fiving my wife and barely containing myself from giving the camera the finger and yelling "How do ya like me now, beeyyaaatches?!"

-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009

thats strange....

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Bernard Guerrero wrote:
I'd be high-fiving my wife and barely containing myself from giving the camera the finger and yelling "How do ya like me now, beeyyaaatches?!"

i kinda figured this is sorta how you spend your leisure time already.

;)

Member of the Forvm Five

It's all

(#172559)

the media's fault. And David Letterman.