Taking a Driver's Education Course On Line...is a Pain...Open Thread


... I like people, so a classroom anywhere would be better. But, so much of the world is taking place on line, I decided to get rid of that Calif Highway Patrol speeding ticket with...ta-da...an on-line course.

First, I'm a fast reader.

Second, I'm a lawyer.

Third, I really don't like reading pages and pages of stuff off a monitor.

It doesn't matter, you have to wait 67 minutes before taking the test for that section and...you really can't completely wander away because there is only a 23 minute window to answer the questions or, the damned thing resets itself. There are, Heaven forbid, seven of these sections!

Okay, but the question of, "If all the water in Lake Tahoe were spread out over all of California, how deep would it be?" seemed a bit unfair for a Driver's Education Test....


They put that question in to make sure you read the material...but, the answers between  9 inches and one foot...I couldn't remember. I'm told that in real classes now, High School (?) and Colleges (?) that one can't open a new window or browser while doing an assignment or taking a test...(how do they ensure this?)


I feel so out of touch with the world of education if what I am told is true....not only how do they block you leaving, but do people at any level of education take tests on line, or with their computer? What happened to a pen and paper, or, at least a number 2 pencil and a test sheet of multiple choice? What is the world coming to?


Yes, yes, I know...I did cheat, I Googled the Lake Tahoe question in a new window...the correct answer is...."Lake Tahoe would cover the State of California to a depth of 14 inches." So none of the choices offered were correct, but one foot was closest. This answer would not have affected my score or passing this damned Driver's Education course...but pride would not let me get any question wrong.


How egregious was this bad behavior of mine?


Truly, I sense that this was malium in se, and not just malium prohibitum.


I know that I know and this is what has me worried.


What's on your mind?


Best Wishes, Traveller



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More love for Neo-Nazis!


In yet another sign of a stunning cultural shift that could well mark the end of the Godwin era, Orlando Fox affiliate WDUM is the latest to make nazi with skinhead cadres patrolling Sanford, Florida. The National Socialist Movement members claim they're only there to make sure the streets are safe for the melanin-challenged. Fox calls them "a civil rights group."

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

By Jennifer Bisram

FOX 35 News


Florida members of the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement tells FOX35 they are patrolling the streets of Sanford [sic].


The white rights organization says several Sanford citizens have called on them fearing their safety [sic].

The white supremacist organization venerates the National Socialist government of wartime Germany, and devotes most of its time these days toward lobbying efforts to have all US immigrants of the swarthier persuasion deported.




"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Myfoxorlando.com has taken


Myfoxorlando.com has taken the page down.  That is some seriously messed up stuff right there.

I wonder if the Fox Newz Kids


Would have had the same take on things if the Black Panthers had decided to patrol Tulsa before the two shooters targeting blacks were caught. Somehow, I think not...

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

I started following idleworm


when his excellent iraq war game came out.




For  7 years he's been working on this. A gargantuan effort:



What Do You Get When You Cross Ozzie Guillen. . .

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. . .with Marge Schott? Answer: Someone capable of offending *all* of South Florida with a few really badly chosen words.

He'll learn, or he'll be gone. It may already be too late for him to manage the former.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

Guillen is quoted as saying

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[quote]Guillen is quoted as saying “I love Fidel Castro.”

According to the TIME story, Guillen then amended his comment somewhat: “After a second of reflection, the most unfiltered figure in baseball, if not sports, wants a do-over. ‘I respect Fidel Castro,’ says Guillen, a Venezuela native who also says he respects Hugo Chavez. ‘You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that mother—— is still here.’ ”



What's next, Ozzie Guillen becomes manager of the Atlanta Braves and says he "loves Herod the Great, I respect Herod"?

Apparently, He's Said Something Similar Before

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Men's Journal in 2008. Which means that regardless of what Ozzie's ultimate fate is, whoever signed off on his vetting needs to be fired and otherwise thrown to the wolves for not taking Ozzie aside and saying, "You know how you said that thing about Castro back in 2008? DON'T EVER F***ING DO THAT AGAIN, YOU F***ING IDIOT!!!" It would have been language that Ozzie understood.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

When I read the headlines


I thought - how come I'm the only one who seems to know that Ozzie Guillen is a Castro fan?

I Really Don't Get it, All this Anit-Ozzie Talk Seems Unamerican



...to me.


Why shouldn't Mr. Guillen be able to have a positive opinion on Mr. Castro and Cuba? Ozzie is Venezuelan himself, and many people across Latin America see Cuba in a positive light, more so than greedy, rapacious United States.


This is just Political Correctness from the Hard Right insisting on conformity to their stupid cherished beliefs.


I am coming to believe that not many Americans believe in Free Speech or Freedom of Conscience.


This is a very unhappy and unhealthy trend in American Culture.


America heal thyself...first.


Then maybe we have something to talk about.



It's No Different Than If. . .

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. . .the newest manager of the Yankees pulled a Marge Schott and started waxing poetic about You Know Who--or if the manager of the San Francisco Giants started gushing about how wonderful Fred Phelps and his spawn are. It's not a First Amendment issue--it's a "don't alienate a substantial portion of your fan base by saying nice things about someone they view as The Devil." It doesn't even have to be a political figure or controversy--a Red Sox manager would have the life expectancy of a condom in Madonna's nightstand if he decided to utter this sentence: "My two favorite baseball memories when I was growing up were Bucky Dent's home run in 1978 and the ball going between Bill Buckner's legs in 1986." Uttering that sentence would not be remotely immoral or illegal--it *would* be cause for instant defenestration of the manager by the Red Sox ownership, and only a fool would criticize them for it.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

I am very surprised Trav

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that you took the online course instead of going to a classroom and passing up an opportunity to meet some fast women.

I blame it all on the Internet

Well, Exactly! I'm More Disappointed Than You...


...I had to do this two years ago and did meet a very nice woman...who managed recycling for a large waste company....I looked forward to going to class, just to wander down the street and buy a coffee at break with her.


But you know, I've learned something also...I've always said that the importance of class was not necessarily what you learned, but after the lecture, talking outside with friends and other people in the class...you learned how to learn.


The information in on-line courses I suspect is superb....but, I'm not sure you're learning how to learn.


I sincerely hope that the future of education is not on-line.


As an experience...it sucks.


Best Wishes, Traveller

Teachers are expensive and

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can be obstreperous. IMO, the "popularity" of online education is driven by the need to be economical.

That said, I do like [url=http://www.khanacademy.org] Khan academy.[/url]

freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

Well, Yes, the Kahn Academy Has Proven Worth...But!!!!




...again, yes, Teachers are expensive....but the human education of humans is a price worth paying...nay, I submit, a price that must be paid.


To have human beings.


(presumably human beings of some humanistic value to other human beings...this being a priori an intrinsic good)


I've just watched far too late into the night and early morning...A Universe from Nothing by Lawerence Krauss, so I'm a little out there. Stop and start the video over and over again, trying to grasp the....(insert noun of your choosing)




Best Wishes, Traveller