.....trying to get through the too small door suddenly & so conveniently provided by the CIA...of all people, of all organizations, to be trusted, this is where The People, the people that matter, now bow and praise the “Truth,” being presented and dressed all so pretty by the handlers learned in deception at the Central Intelligence Agency in these strangely ongoing attacks on the movie, ZeroDark30. People that hate the CIA suddenly find them to be center of truth and learning and light. One has to laugh.
People everywhere are writing, "It is established beyond doubt that torture doesn’t work, I know this, I write this, I certify this to be true, that no information gleaned by torture aided in the finding of UBL."
Balderdash, Poppycock. They haven’t a clue, they in absolute truth haven’t an idea if Torture is effective or not. Their perfect certitude notwithstanding, they cannot claim that the thousands of terrible tortures carried out in their name did not lead to the killing, the cold murder if you will, of UBL.
They have no personal knowledge, they could not testify in a Court of Law on the Issue, they couldn’t say a word...because they don’t know. Yet, like fools all a` howling at the dark night, they need to insist that their barking is somehow, like magic, nevertheless true.
All this lying, and lying is what it is, about ZeroDark30 has forced me to ask the easy yet real question....Does Torture work?
Of course it does. We look at our own frail flesh and we say and we know that we would give up whatever information we might have...true or not. Senator McCain himself signed a confession under torture that he was a War Criminal and murderer and killed innocent women and children. Let us look at this a moment, extracted through torture to be sure, but equally sure and certain is that Senator John McCain killed innocent women and children on his bombing runs over North Viet Nam.
Let us have a little truth here. He blew them to smithereens, their little arms ripped off, their bodied hurled through the air, their weeping mothers also killed or, if not, left trying to find the body parts of their children through the rubble his bombings left behind. This is the truth of Senator McCain, this is what he signed a confession to. It was true and he should tremble indeed if there is a just God in heaven.
I think we all know in our bones that torture is effective. As the character Dan says in the movie, “Everyone breaks, it’s biology.” This is simply true. I’m not even sure why there is any argument about it. If you get the right person, you will get the right information. Also, more broadly, Torture was effective for Hitler, and allowed Stalin complete control over the vastness of Soviet Russia; just the fear of it granted him security in far away Moscow. Now, today, North Korea is ruled by the fear of torture.
All of the above being said however, it is most important to note that torture is not a good way to gain anything. The movie shows deeply the soul deadening effects on various characters that carry out this terrible activity. There are very good and compelling arguments that Torture is Wrong, that it is not worth the toll it has exacted on the United States. And these arguments are true also.
But we did lots and lots of torturing. We had and probably still have rendention sites; we allow and ask other governments to conduct our interrogations for us. We did and still probable still do this.
That we now deny, loudly, that we found any useful information through Enhanced Interrogation Techniques is...probably good for our society. I am heartened that there is this tsunami of denial and it is a positive sign of a society trying to change a revengeful course that has been overall a destructive thing.
But people saying they know this or that...are simply wrong. They don’t know. They have opinions, they wager their arguments...but they do not Know.
You have to be there to know.
Thank God, none of us were. (Which is not to say our Representatives weren't there....ahhh)
Best Wishes, Traveller