The Way it Was, Open Thread With Images

I wanted to give some breathing room for Catchy's thread because we need an open thread.

 

And I think I'm going to go on a Picture Collection tear:

 

 

 

 

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Compare and contrast, a 1,000 word essay will be due on Monday morning...:>}

Best Wishes, Traveller

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The island that never was

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Bird Dog's picture

Sandy Island, that is. Can't blame global warming on its "disappearance".

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Uh, oh.....

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Jay C's picture

... from the linked article:

 

it also appears on the “Satellite” view as well, although instead of specific photo images of the island, there is simply a black splotch, something that usually appears over areas Google has been asked to censor by a particular government.

 

 

So maybe this place does exist, after all!! Or perhaps it's this one....

When he's right, he's right

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Bird Dog's picture

Newt Gingrich, September 2007:

I think Republican consultants are mostly very stupid. I think they have no education. I think they have no sense of history. ... If I throw away African Americans, and then I throw away Latinos, and then I throw away suburban women, and then I throw away people under 40, and then I throw away everything north of Philadelphia -- there's a morning where Republicans can't get to a majority.

That morning would be November 7, 2012.

 

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Re Gingrich/Prescient to be Sure, But Fox News...

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...I have had occasion over the past few days to watch Fox News and it...really is a different world.

 

Seriously.

 

They even play long clips of Rush Limbaugh as though it was hard news....and everyone just talks to each other about how horrible Mr.  Obama is...not that anyone offers any alternatives to what would be a more successful foreign policy...but Obama is....ta da!...Statan incarnate!

 

It really is weird to watch.

 

I think I understand better some of my (real) conflict with friends that are conservative, nothing wrong with that, but also watch Fox News...and there is a lot wrong with that.

 

It is almost exactly like the Old South insisting that they would beat the Industrial North in any war. It was delusional in 1861...it is delusional now.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that the North would win in 1861

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mmghosh's picture

underdogs have won against the odds, especially defending on home ground.  Invasions can be hard if the general population is hostile.  From what I've read - Internet and James McPherson - there were quite a few errors made by the Southern politicians and their generals.

Booooo! Hissssss! Booooooo!

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That actually was a crappy article. 

'Other solutions involve Washington getting involved in home life. Fewer children in the United States grow up with both biological parents than in any other affluent country for which data are available.' emphasis mine

Sweet holy jeebus, did I read that right?  I did.  I read it 14 times, each time popping a different combination of alcohol and medicine cabinet contents in the hope of getting on the same wavelength as this dude.  None of them worked.  I gave up and continued reading but proceeded with the intent to seek amusement.  There was plenty.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

My take on this

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TXG1112's picture

I know why you're having apoplexy and agree with you that getting the Federal government involved in home life is not the answer. To me differences in early development between poor and well off children accounts for much of the differences in inequality of opportunity.

Furthermore, a generation ago, most preschool-aged children stayed at home with their mothers. Now, many are enrolled in some sort of child care. But the quality of their experiences varies. Affluent parents can send their children to nationally recognized education-oriented preschools. Poorer parents might have little choice but to leave their children with a neighborhood babysitter who plops them in front of the television. Research by the economist James Heckman and others finds that much of the gap in cognitive and noncognitive skills between children from poor homes and those from affluent homes is already present by the time they enter kindergarten.

So there is a nasty feedback loop at work. Poorer families can't provide the environment necessary for children to achieve success. To make inroads in this problem will require breaking this cycle somehow, either by providing more support for single mothers in the form of childcare or support so they don't have to work as hard and can spend more time raising their children.

 

Any discussion of whether people deserve support in this fashion (not that I'm accusing you of this) is worthless. Ultimately, providing people with the opportunity and tools to become successful productive citizens benefits all taxpayers.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

TXG, You are wrong.

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I'm not really disagreeing, it's just that the phrase has a pleasant ring to it, sort of like 'Darth, you are right.' does.

The trick to breaking cycles is getting after root causes.  I don't think providing child care, or any of the other remedies does that.  We know getting after root causes is hard and really can't be done as a program so we default to getting after symptoms.  Here's the rub.  Come up with a plan that treats all the 'symptoms' of being poor.  Now come up with a plan that subsidizes all the decisions and choices that the poor make that help keep them poor.  The two plans will look a lot alike.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Darth, you're right!

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TXG1112's picture

I don't mean that either, but figured it would get your attention. This question comes down to the old saw:

 

Q: Why are they poor? A: Because they're stupid.

Q: Why are they stupid? A: Because they're poor.

 

My point is that poor and stupid is self replicating. If you treat the symptoms of this generation being poor, then the next one won't be as it is the fallout from being poor that prevents people from gaining the skills that keep one from being poor. Once kids get to school it is too late. The studies show that providing childcare and other subsidies does work. Comparisons with Europe shows that states that provide these services have much better outcomes. I think people need to get over this notion of who deserves what and "subsidizing poor lifestyle choices" because the alternative is to allow the status quo to continue and get worse. I support policies like this because I believe it will cost me less in the long run. I'm not in the business of punishing people for being poor and making stupid choices, thinking of it as an investment in saving society from itself.

--- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

Tranzilled by Gizoogle

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I be not straight-up disagreeing, itz just dat tha phrase has a pleasant rang ta it, sort of like 'Darth, yo a$$ is mutha%$&in right know what I be sayin, biatch'?.

Da trick ta breakin cyclez is gettin afta root causes.  I don't think providin a lil pimp care, and any of tha other remedies do dat s^&t.  Our thugged-out a$$es know gettin afta root causes is hard n' straight-up can't be done as a program so our crazy-a$$ a$$es default ta gettin afta symptoms.  Herez tha rub.  Come up wit a plan dat treatz all tha 'symptoms' of bein poor.  Now come up wit a plan dat subsidizes all tha decisions n' choices dat tha poor make dat help keep em poor.  Da two plans will look a sh%^load alike.

 

http://www.gizoogle.net/textilizer.php

Dude, you claimed to have a girlfriend

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but posting stuff like this calls that rumor into question :)

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Wait a minute

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HankP's picture

you say the only way to fix things is to get at root causes, but you were just complaining about government getting into areas that it doesn't belong in - like root causes involving family. That doesn't lead to much scope for fixing anything. You'd either have to be OK with more intrusive government, or accept the way they do things now which doesn't "fix" issues but at least alleviates the worst results of them.

 

 

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Wait two minutes

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And don't even think about entering this conversation until you too say 'Darth, you're right'. Anyway, yeah problem solving begins with accurately defining the problem.  In the case of breaking cycles you have to find the root cause, otherwise the cycle doesn't break.  Doing that is in no way an endorsement of government intervention.

I'm actually fairly open minded about this and I'm not saying govt shouldn't help, I'm saying let's be really friggin careful about the help govt provides.  There's something really telling that many of the metrics associated with poverty were on the upswing after the Great Society and on the decline after '90s welfare reform.  Violent crime and out of wedlock births being virtually iconic.  I'm not claiming anything greater than correlation but that correlation should be accounted for before we begin a new round of federal programs.  Not because so-and-so deserves or doesn't deserve a hand out/up, but because those programs may very well have the opposite of the intended effect.

I'm not looking for a fight on this.  I'm just asking for progressives to account for trends that buck their intuition.  TXG scare quoted my phrase about subsidizing poor choices, the problem is that what you generally subsidize you can expect to see more of and I'm not sure that's the direction we should be headed.

 

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Bad choices will always be made

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HankP's picture

while I'm pretty sure everyone here is on the above average side of the IQ bell curve (except you and me), the fact is that there are 300 million people in the US and there are a lot of people even under the small tail end of that curve on the below average side. So yeah, you'll never get 100% utility of the money you spend on programs. But that's not the point, wasting a few percent of what we spend is insignificant compared to the number of people who are helped. And while I realize the Army is a model of efficiency, in the private sector quite a bit more money is wasted on just about every major project that's attempted.

 

Also, not all the correlations follow the pattern you laid out. Senior poverty, for example, plummeted after the Great Society changes in the mid 60s.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Hank, I'm not listening until I hear

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'Darth, you're right.'  I think it ought to be a posting rule.

100% utility?  That'd be nice but when we're not keeping the percentage of improvement to the right of zero we're pretty far away from being critical of lofty goals.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

The way it was is still a sad reality for the ROW.

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mmghosh's picture

Especially for women.

Now, there appears to be a new development in controlling the movements of its female population: the Kingdom has reportedly introduced an electronic tracking system alerting male guardians when a woman has left the country.

 

Reports emerged of the system last week when Manal al-Sherif, a women’s rights campaigner who has urged women to defy the driving ban, was alerted by a husband who received a message from the immigration authorities advising him that his wife had left the international airport in Riyadh.

Look at the bright side, Manish

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The only reason guys would need this system is if they're planning to let the women out of the house unsupervised.

What Does ROW Mean? Sorry, Haven't a Clue...nt

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Traveller

Rest Of the World

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There's no bright side to this.

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mmghosh's picture

It is depressing.  I have quite some friends and family in the ME.

The Deafening Choking Sound You Just Heard. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .was coming from a certain Seattle Seahawks defense visiting in Miami.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Thanks Scott

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HankP's picture

first I watch OSU's offense and special teams screw up on Saturday, then I get to listen to the Seahawks defense screw up earlier today. Then I learn that the Seahawks two starting cornerbacks, probably the best starting CBs in the league both violated the NFL's substance abuse policy and will be out for 4 games. Great football weekend.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Oy

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M Scott Eiland's picture

That defense is going to get *worse* for the next month?

*Scott wanders off to make four weeks of obvious choices for one game a week*

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Double choking

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Bird Dog's picture

I watched the Huskies give up 18 in the final quarter to the Cougs. They were up 28-10 and lost 31-28. Bad weekend for Seattle football.

The Seahawks D is good but not that good. They should've beat Detroit but their defense didn't hold in the 4th quarter. The Miami QB had lots of time to throw. It'd be nice if Russell Wilson had half that amount of time in the pocket.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Software Patents

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Here's a video my company did with Alex Tabarrok of Marginal Revolution.

 

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Looks great!

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It does a good job of laying out why intellectual property protection for software is particularly ridiculous. 

 

I thought many software innovations were covered under copyright as opposed to patents, though.

Thanks

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That may be the case, I don't know.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Software copyright vs. patents

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So software is protected under copyright, but then there's the question of whether it should also be given the stronger protections associated with a patent:

 

From wiki:

 

Protection by patent protection and copyright constitute two different means of legal protection which may cover the same subject-matter, such as computer programs, since each of these two means of protection serves its own purpose.[39] Software is protected as works of literature under the Berne Convention. This allows the creator to prevent another entity from copying the program and there is generally no need to register code in order for it to be copyrighted.

Patents, on the other hand, give their owners the right to prevent others from using a claimed invention, even if it was independently developed and there was no copying involved. In fact, one of the most recent EPO decisions[40] clarifies the distinction, stating that software is patentable, because it is basically only a technical method executed on a computer, which is to be distinguished from the program itself for executing the method, the program being merely an expression of the method, and thus being copyrighted.

Patents cover the underlying methodologies embodied in a given piece of software, or the function that the software is intended to serve, independent of the particular language or code that the software is written in. Copyright prevents the direct copying of some or all of a particular version of a given piece of software, but do not prevent other authors from writing their own embodiments of the underlying methodologies. Copyright can also be used to prevent a given set of data from being copied while still allowing the author to keep the contents of said set of data a trade secret.

Awesome, classy work. -nt-

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M Aurelius was probably right.

Wags, showed this to my engineering ethics class today

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We've been talking about the pros and cons of the US IP system and this came in handy and was well-received.

Great, thanks

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The innovation costs to imitation cost distinction was what was new and valuable to me when I first read it.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Same here

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Also, I made sure to linger on the Idea Rocket logo at the end.

Voter Suppression Watch: Gov. Crist & Chairman Greer

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say Florida's "voter ID" law's primary purpose was to disenfranchise Democrat voters.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

 

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Chairman Jim Greer is under indictment on campaign finance charges, and the new GOP head in Florida warns us to ignore anything the man now says. Fair enough: Greer's statements are backed by a number of other Florida sources. Like Charlie Crist.

Crist said party leaders approached him during his 2007-2011 gubernatorial term about changing early voting, in an effort to suppress Democrat turnout. Crist is now at odds with the GOP, since abandoning the party to run for U.S. Senate as an independent in 2010. He is rumored to be planning another run for governor, as a Democrat.

 

Crist said in a telephone interview this month that he did not recall conversations about early voting specifically targeting black voters “but it looked to me like that was what was being suggested. And I didn’t want them to go there at all.”

It's funny because the new law, Florida HB 1355, was sold to the public as a way to save money (elections are expensive!) and to help combat the scourge of in-person voter fraud.

“The people that worked in Tallahassee felt that early voting was bad, ” Crist said. “And I heard about it after I signed the executive order expanding it. I heard from Republicans around the state who were bold enough to share it with me that, ‘You just gave the election to Barack Obama.’”

 

It wasn’t until Gov. Rick Scott took office in January 2011 that the idea went anywhere. It passed the legislature that session and Scott signed it into law.

 

“I assume they decided, ‘It’s 2011, Crist is gone, let’s give it a shot,’” Crist said. “And that’s exactly what they did. And it is exactly what it turned out to be.”

Good thing this story has gone away.

M Aurelius was probably right.

JFTR

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brutusettu's picture

Crazy Uncles won't care, they're too vested even before this big lie was a glimmer the in the eyes of Greer et al.  The miniscule examples of *voter fraud*, mostly of James O'Keefing, that's enough to keep the fires burning in perpetuity.    

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Marvin Miller: 1917-2012

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M Scott Eiland's picture

He was unquestionably (by far) the most influential non-athlete in organized sports in the twentieth century, for better (mostly) or worse.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Skyfall Review [no spoilers]

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We saw the latest James Bond film on Saturday, and if you're thinking about going to see it, let me warn you: it's significantly overrated. 

 

Actually back up a moment: it's significantly overrated on Rotten Tomatoes, which is currently giving the film a 92% rating among critics. Metacritic gives it a much more reasonable 81%, and I'd say the Metacritics users' score is closest of all, at around 76%.

 

This movie is a gentleman's C among Bond pictures. Yes, Daniel Craig is a great Bond. Yes, the locations are (mostly) exotic and exciting, the chase sequences are intense (especially the opener in Istanbul's Grand Bazaar).

 

But a truly great story needs a great villain, and Javier Bardem ain't it. A great story also needs to be coherent, and Skyfall falls short on that score as well. It comes as no surprise that the screenwriter originally attached to the picture, Peter Morgan, left when Sam Mendes was brought on board, and after MGM's bankruptcy. There seems to be some kind of bad blood between Mendes and Morgan. In any case, the final picture has a real meatloaf quality to me: lots of hodgepodge ingredients with very little logical suet to bind them all together.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Agreed. Jonathan Pryce as Rupert Murdoch

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mmghosh's picture

is my No 1 Bond supervillain - and the tongue-in-cheek wasn't so far in, either.

Come on Jordan!!!! You're among friends

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with a few shady folks like Catchy thrown in.  Do you suggest seeing it?  I think the last time I gave out a film review it was for 'The American'.  I don't recall what my exact review was except that it was negative.  Something to the tune of were someone to suggest seeing it I suggested you punch them hard enough to immobilize them to give you time to get a bat to beat them while your wife loaded the gun to shoot them to keep them on the ground long enough to pull the car around and run them over.  For anyone who was unclear on my opinion at that point, well....I suggest they go see 'The American'.

So I gather your hair wasn't blown back so we have to go to the Cuddly scale of so-so movies. 

1 star = enjoy the pop-corn

2 stars = the person talking on the cell phone behind you is actually more interesting then the movie your watching

3 stars = The movie?  Well the trailers were excellent.

4 stars = yeah, it's good enough to be worth sitting next to the fat woman

5 stars = it's good enough that the attractive woman who got up to use the can four times was actually a bit annoying.

The scale is a work in progress but I'll figure it out one of these days.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Best Snarky Movie Criticism Evar Give on Les Miserables...Thusly

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The pop opera and its participants won applause and a few ovations from audiences who woke up that morning dreaming a dream and had no problem giving themselves over to material that demanded they feel something, anything, for the people and their struggles and for young girls who really, really like cute, socially conscious rich boys who don't notice them until they're dying and then, sure, now you hold me and caress me, but where were you when I was alive?

 

Well written, well thought out!

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

I've never watched it.

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The earnestness title was always enough to keep me away.

Darth, you're right.

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We need guidance.

 

I mean, I've seen it, but I'd like someone infinitely more fashionable and "hip" to tell me if it was the right thing to do.

 

I brought my wife (or maybe she brought me? Is that hipper?). Should I have gone with colleagues instead? The local vegan collective? We don't have a vegan collective, so should I start, sorry, "curate" one? I think I coyuld make it either artinisal or bespoke, but not both. Is it enough?

 

Anyway, I quite liked it. Lots of pretty stupid bits (well below the running level of average James Bond Movie Stupidness), lots of continuity errors (I assume, since I spotted one and I never spot those), some great action, more or less no gadgets, more or less no Bond style hotties and I would haev shot whoever was responsible for doing the soundtrack. I love the new theme tune, but to have such a national treasure to work with as the twonky deng-de deng deng, deng deng deng etc(11 years of theory of music, folks, right there staring back at you) and to never ever manage to apply it correctly should be a crime in civilised countries.

 

Anyway. Doo-do, do doo, do doo do and all that!

 

Oh yes, and it's a much better movie than the last one.

I guess it's like this Nyoos,

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I could look at the movie 'Braveheart' and fault it to death.  The historical inaccuracies were too numerous to count, but setting those aside the editing needed work too.  The first battle scene has Gibson with a different weapon each time he's in frame.  There's so much wrong that it's not funny.  But it was entertaining, the acting was good and I'd suggest that the movie was well worth the price of admission.  Without that last sentence it would look like I was giving the flick a thumbs down but the truth is I thought the movie was spectacular.

Same same with the Star Wars movies.  Good God the acting was horrible and there are tons of inconsistencies.  The 'if they could do that then why didn't they do this?' sorts of questions abound.  I mean if one could make a lightsaber with a 3 foot 'blade' that has no mass then wouldn't the prudent jedi make two lightsabers, a 3 footer for social occasions and a 25 footer to get at those hard to reach places? But at the end of the day I'd still suggest seeing the movies if for nothing more than the special effects and action scenes.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

It's worth seeing, I just wanted to warn people, [spoilers]

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that the reviews, especially aggregated on Rotten Tomatoes, are way overblown.

 

Go in expecting a middle-of-the-road Bond picture, with plenty of entertaining action scenes, exotic locales, absurdly attractive women who appear with key information at each turn of Bond's investigation, and you'll have a pretty good time.

 

But also expect the plot & premise to come apart like a cheap suit the first time you a) try to remember how some detail fit into the overall story or b) someone asks you to summarize what the film's 'about.'

 

[SPOILERY SECTION BELOW]

 

It's about how James Bond and MI6 are antiquated, old-fashioned, obsolete and completely unable to cope with modern supercriminals. No wait! It's a foundation story about the beginning of the Bond franchise. No wait, it's a strangely intimate revenge story with Bond caught in the middle between a sacrificed agent and an unrepentant M...it's about loyalty and how one can remain loyal to an agency that uses people like, well, like James Bond uses attractive women. 

 

What about Javier Bardem, what's his deal? Well, he's a former star field agent like Bond, once the apple of M's eye. Ok, so why's he a cyberterrorist? Why would someone with badass Bond-like operational skills become a geeky hacker type person? No explanation. Why would he acquire these amazing skills if all he wants to do is kill M? After all, old-fashioned field operatives are plenty capable of whacking people without world-class cyberhacking skills. No explanation. Answer: because we have two different, incompatible storylines vying for control of the film. One storyline is about MI6 falling behind in cybertech. The other storyline is about Bond's Ahab-like predecessor, bent on revenge -- blowback, in other words. It's possible these two storylines could have been massaged into a single movie, but unfortunately they weren't and what we're left with instead is a chunk of cinematic meatloaf that crumbles on forkfall.

 

Dropped storylines.

  • Javier Bardem's gay! He makes a pass at Bond. Bond graciously declines. Never mentioned again. 
  • Stolen NOC list. The movie opens in Istanbul with Bond and Moneypenny trying to retrieve a solid-state hard drive containing the encrypted names & cover IDs of every single NATO agent working within terror organizations worldwide. Later, the thieves partly decrypt the drive and release 5 names onto the internet. Some spies are killed. This entire storyline is dropped by the end of Act 2, never to be heard from again.
  • Magic Bullet. Patrice, the hard drive stealer, shoots Bond once in the shoulder during the initial chase scene. Months later (!), Bond extracts the bullet fragments and finds that they're DU rounds. Neverminding the wisdom of using highly traceable munitions, it's important to remember that Moneypenny *also* shoots Bond, while aiming for Patrice. Bond falls into the water, then spends 3 months recuperating on some Aegean island. But where's the second bullethole? When we next find him, he's got a nasty scar on his right shoulder...where Patrice shot him. Did Moneypenny shoot him through the same bullet hole? 
  • Temporary Alcoholism. After blowing that operation, Bond spends months shacking up with some Greek floozy, boozing away the hours Bond-style (drinking games with scorpions). Is he...mad at M for getting him shot? Mad at Moneypenny? Is this how he always unwinds from an operation, or just the blown ones? Bond's drinking problem disappears as if it never happened at the beginning of Act 2.
  • Unbelievably Lucky Badguy. Silva's (Javier Bardem) entire plan, in every last detail, relies on highly improbable, totally unpredictable chains of coincidence in order to come off without a hitch:

1) Patrice has to die at the hands of MI6
2) With his Macao casino chip in his coat for Bond to find
3) Assume Bond will find the chip and decide to follow that long-shot, desperate lead to Macao
4) Assume Bond won't get killed by the body guards & komodo dragons in the casino
5) Assume Bond will have shower sex with the casino boss and convince her to betray Javier (yes, she gets killed the moment her betrayal serves its purpose)
6) Assume Bond will bring a full MI6 black ops team to arrest Javier
7) Assume that, once in custody, super scientific genius Q will go ahead and hook his virus-rigged laptop directly into the MI6 mainframe
9) All of this to get Silva into MI6 custody exactly when M is testifying before the PM and Parliament. Question: why not simply slip into Parliament and shoot her? It's a public building, albeit high security...but why break out of MI6 only to break in to a Parliamentary hearing? Is there a symbolic message here I'm not picking up on, or is the bad guy making his own job 10x harder than it needs to be for no discernible reason?

In short, the film works like a second rate magic trick. You buy it in the moment (it's really well made), but the minute you leave the theater and start playing things back over in your head or talking with your hipster friends, you realize the entire plot only works in one direction. Everything that happens seems sorta plausible in a James Bond-y kinda way while you're watching. But take a look back and ask yourself how on earth the main villain could have possibly planned it all out in advance, and the entire premise falls apart like a five year old's cover story.

M Aurelius was probably right.

It's really the same problem

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that one sees in The Dark Knight. But in TDK, you can suspect disbelief as to the Joker being able to plan out everything he knew Batman would do because, well, it's based on a comic book and comic book logic applies. But with Skyfall, it's asking us to think of it as at least being plausible.

 

Perhaps it's better to just assume that James Bond movies run on comic book logic and go from there.

The Way it Was, The Way it is Now

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The Way It Was, The Way it is Now

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The Way It Is Now

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Non-followers of the "'God' of Abraham" risk a year in jail

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brutusettu's picture

In Kentucky, a homeland security law requires the state’s citizens to acknowledge the security provided by the Almighty God--or risk 12 months in prison.... Tom Riner, a Baptist minister and the long-time Democratic state representative, sponsored the law... He has often been at the center of unconstitutional and expensive controversies throughout his 26 years in office. In the last ten years, for example, the state has spent more than $160,000 in string of losing court cases...

 

Ohio is only grateful to Almighty God; "Preamble We, the people of the State of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and promote our common welfare, do establish this Constitution."

 

 

 

 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

I'm wondering if this is a pull of the leg.

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I'm just taking a non-lawyerly stab at this and wondering if it's possible that the law can't be broken, thus not enforced.  Per the article 'The law requires that plaques celebrating the power of the Almighty God be installed outside the state Homeland Security building...'.  There doesn't seem to be a KY state homeland security building, there's an office but it appears to be in an office center.  W/o the building there's no applicability for the law.  I'll defer to the lawyers here but the way it looks right now, it's actually impossible for someone to break the law, so I don't know how one attains standing to challenge the thing even though it appears unconstitutional.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I think a mix of your take and my 1st take is closer

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The statute further requires the state Office of Homeland Security (OHS) to “publicize the findings of the General Assembly stressing the dependence on Almighty God” by including the quote above in agency training and educational materials and on a plaque at Kentucky’s Emergency Operations Center. Anyone who violates the statute is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail

The law applies to bureaucrats and tries to get the state of  Kentucky in the business of broad based Christian proselytizing.   

There is a building that the agency is housed in, the plaque business would apply to that building.  But no one has gone to jail for non-compliance.

 

 

The statute is far more enforceable than some statute that stress that; "Since there are no more ice giants, the GA of Kentucky has been dependent on Thor and his mighty hammer.  And requiring the agency to celebrate Thor every 3rd Thursday in months starting on an even date."

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Meanwhile, In An *Actual* Budding Theocracy. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .a US citizen is sentenced to death in absentia for naughty video making.

Cut the c*******ers off without a cent. Now.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

WSJ has a log-in wall

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Blasphemy laws aren't good, but it's not like they dropped 2,000 pound guided bombs on civilian housing </snark>.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

Brilliant Idea

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Lose whatever influence and access is provided by that money, to spite a symbolic sentence that will result in the death, or incarceration, of nobody.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

That too (people are people)

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.....I'm not sure how the $ would work though, other than "writing off" certain liabilities. 

 

 

---still too bad that blasphemy laws designed "to keep the peace" aren't just appeasing mobs.

 

 

 a 21-year-old woman was arrested on Sunday over comments she made on her Facebook account criticizing the shutdown of the city of Mumbai following the death of politician Bal Thackeray.

 

A friend who had "liked" the comment was also arrested.

 

 

Thackeray, one of the most divisive figures in Indian politics, was blamed for inciting tensions between Hindus and Muslims and was revered by his followers.
News of his death saw businesses shutting and taxis staying off the roads amid fears of violence by supporters of the right-wing Shiv Sena party he founded.

 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

The Way it Was, Election Edition

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As my '12 election memory fades, I expect the three main things I'll be left with are: 

 

3. Jimmy Carter's grandson taping Romney talking to wealthy donors about the useless 47%.

2. Widespread conservative belief that all/most of the polls were likely biased against them.

 

What may stand out more than anything tho, was:

 

1. Bill Clinton at the DNC -- breakin-it-down, brilliant ad-libs, and charismatic like no other.

 

That to me was the most remarkable event of the entire election.

One more election memory....

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Clint Eastwood's "debate" with that empty chair at the RNC.

Especially as the chair is generally agreed to have won.....

You've Got to Love Brazil, But this is Cruel, Cruel Humor...

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from a Brazilian TV show...it gets better as it goes along in my opinion.

 

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

I could watch that all day

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Every one was hilarious. 

That Was Then, This Is McCain! (Benghazi edition)

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Wherein Jon Stewart asks an important but overlooked question about John McCain's obsession with scuttling Susan Rice's Sec'y State nomination before it even happens: is there any way to tell whether maybe McCain's outrage might be a wee bit selective? Or even, say, partisan? Maybe if there were some way to compare McCain now with McCain in the past, in a similar situation, kind of like an experimental control.

If only we had a direct comparison to make here, sort of a one-to-one. Like if there were another high-ranking government official, passing what they knew at the time was misleading intelligence to the American public. On a Sunday news show. Also in line to become Secretary of State, and, and was African American, and a woman, and let's say her name was also Rice. Wouldn't that be something?

 

 

M Aurelius was probably right.

Speaking Of Long-Running Entertainment Institutions. . .

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. . .happy 85th birthday, big guy. :-)

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The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Vin Scully's ONLY 85??

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I remember him broadcasting Dodgers games since I was a kid in LA. I always assumed he got his radio training from Signor Marconi himself back when radios were powered by steam, and the Dodgers were facing Old Hoss Radbourn.....

Not Quite That Far

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M Scott Eiland's picture

But he's been around for quite a lot of things. To put a finer point on it--he called Dodger games during Jackie Robinson's fourth season in MLB, and before either Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle reached the majors. When he started with the Dodgers there were no major league teams west of St. Louis (where Bill Veeck would not hire Eddie Gaedel for his notorious plate appearance until the next year).

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Also. . .

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. . .something that I don't seem to remember reading before that I just saw in the wiki: if history had gone slightly differently, Vin Scully might have left the Dodgers in 1970 and taken the play by play position in the original Monday Night Football team (he later called a number of NFL games between 1975 and 1982 for CBS). Assuming he could have held the job for all or most of the time from then until now, it is amusing to think that Scully might be less legendary now if he had been on MNF for the last four decades than he has actually become working for the Dodgers all that time.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Monster Line On Black Friday In New York. . .

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. . .in front of a 99 cent store:

Funny, and a bit touching--the store owner was obviously grateful for the extra business and attention, even if it was meant as a joke.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

+1

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brutusettu's picture

n/t

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

And Yet, Better Than "Apple" Or "Anfernee"

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Miss Hashtag Jamison has arrived in this world with a storm of publicity and received what may well someday be a slam-dunk affirmative defense for matricide/patricide. Or she may just channel the justifiable rage into becoming the first female undisputed welterweight boxing champion of the world. Time will tell.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That's not eventhe strangest name I've heard this week

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It won't even raise an eyebrow in ten years.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

The real agenda in the push against Rice at State

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Isn't McCain's animus from Rice trashing him in the 2008 election. It's this. Republicans want Kerry at State because they think Brown will pick up his seat. They're probably right.

 

Less smart is their strategy in the Grand Bargain negotiations. They should listen to Tom Cole and just pass the tax cuts extensions for all but the rich... once the greatest point of leverage for Dems is gone, once you take away their killer political bludgeon, then the Reps have a greater chance to get what they want in the long game.

 

Of course, you have to wonder whether Republicans really want what they want if they're not willing to say what they want. Odds are better than even that what we get out of this is another small-bore, kick the can down the road agreement.

 

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Brown to Replace Kerry

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That's making some sense of this.

Kerry Could Stop That Strategy In Its Tracks

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"With thanks to those who believe I would be a good fit for the position of Secretary of State, I am stating today that I intend to continue to serve my important role as a member of a majority Democratic United States Senate--I wish good fortune to whoever President Obama selects for that important position and will fight for the nominee when the matter comes up for consideration in the Senate."

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Except he's dying for state (nt)

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,,,

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Which Is His Problem Entirely

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Is that all we've got? Rice or Kerry? Seriously?

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

The concept of Internation Justice

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a weak and sickly baby on delivery, was dealt a final blow yesterday.

 

It was obvious to all that there would always be certain countries above the ICC and ICTY, however it's apparent willingness to go after all sides in the former Yugoslavia lent it an air of legitimacy and it was laying a standard of behaviour against which military action could be deemed legitimate or not.

 

The acquittal of Haradinaj was innevitable once the prosecutors failed to produce any serious quantity of evidence against him. The few english language news stories covering the verdict would evave one wondering at a prosecution that seems to have forgotten to build a case before their trial. The widespread intimidation and deaths of witness to the trial and the declaration by ivestigators that they had no support from the UN or Kosovo government for their investigation go unmentioned.

 

Earlier in the year Croation military leaders Gotovina and Marka~ were aqcuitted of the crimes in the expulsion of 200,000 Serbs from Kriena in their 1995 offensive against the enclave. The appeal court rules 3 to 2 for the acquittal. The Judgement itself is here and reading the dissenting judges opinions makes it clear what a stich up this was. From the introduction to the opinion of judge Agius we can see that this was no spat over a minor technicality:

 

 

For the reasons set out below, I respectfully but strongly disagree with almost all of the
conclusions reached by the Majority in this Appeal Judgement. Furthermore, I wish to register my
disagreement with the approach taken by the Majority throughout the Appeal Judgement, and to
distance myself from that approach.

Again, the press coverage, such as it is, carries the story of a miscarriage of justice corrected. No mention of the dissent or the controversial nature of the judgement.

 

Barely mentioned by the dissenting judges, the most serious implication of this judgement is that it undermines the standards of behaviour used to try and convict numerous actors, mostly Serb, across the Balkans and which were to serve as a foundation for the new International Justice.

 

Of course, we do not go to the Balkans to find angels, and the Serbs were no such thing. But who can now blame them for reaching the conclusion that the ICTY is a court for convicting Serbs and Serbs only.

 

yep, an interesting post from nyoos

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"Not Using Fossil Fuels is an Insult to God"

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Earlier this month, the Religious Right's favorite climate change-denying "expert," Calvin Beisner of the Cornwall Alliance, appeared on American Family Radio where he declared that believing in climate change "is an insult to God."  Yesterday, when he joined Bryan Fischer on "Focal Point" for yet another discussion about the "myth" of global warming, both he and Fischer declared that failure to use coal, oil, and natural gas is an insulting rejection of the gifts that God has given to us - gifts which, incidentally, He buried deep in the earth because He delights in our search for and discovery of them:

 

I would guess those sentiments aren't exactly very uncommon.

 

-Plus I'm leaning on the idea that Fischer is almost certainly a con-man regardless. 

 

 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

I Suspect That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .Dancing With The Stars just spotted its next athletic contestant:

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That's fun

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She's ridiculously positive.

 

I like how she knows The Dougie.

If You Want to See Michelle Jenneke, Watch Her Win a Race

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..here on Vemo:

 

http://vimeo.com/45784191

 

Hot.

 

Ahem.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

 

 

That One Had Already Been Posted Here. . .

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. . .as it is the one that made her famous. She's not just a pretty face by any means.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

The Way it Was - employees used to have pensions

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