We Need an Open Thread, Thread (Was Sex)

...Would the United States Please get over it's obsession with sex? What is with this rash of resignations for merely human failings, though I am not sure they are failings at all.

 

Today, David Petraeus:

 

"After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair.

"Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. This afternoon, the president graciously accepted my resignation."

 

Maybe Mr. Petraeus's duty to the American people was to continue to run the CIA well. These resignations of embarrassment seem to me to be ego-driven in the sense that personal embarrassment is more central than their duty to country.

 

The same is true for Elliot Spitzer. And that Republican guy hanging out in public bathrooms...I don't care. Do your job.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

 

Further comment on the truth of contemporary American mores:

 

Ahem...So true!...lol

 

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Maybe...

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aireachail's picture

just maybe...

 

if you couldn't keep your extramarital affair a secret, you weren't particularly suited to running the frackin' CIA!

 

That said, it's a really sad and unfortunate end to a spectacular career.

Maybe

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mmghosh's picture

this wasn't the first or only infraction?  I agree with Traveller's general points.  But the USA used to be fairly liberal, in general, on these issues - what about Marilyn Monroe, JFK etc?

I wouldn't say that having different sexual standards for the

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powerful exactly liberal...

Well, There Goes the Incoming Head of Lockheed...(more sex)

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US defence company Lockheed Martin says its incoming president and chief executive officer has resigned over a relationship with a subordinate.

Christopher Kubasik resigned after an internal ethics investigation confirmed the "close personal relationship", the company said in a statement.

 

Just sayin`

 

Traveller

 

It's Professor MacKinnon's World. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .we just live in it.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I Had to google Her...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharine_MacKinnon

 

I will think on this. Off hand though, I might suggest that, as is often the case, both sides have some merit.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

Hey, both sides had merit until

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the application of principles meany crossing WJC. Then all of a sudden feminists didn't really promote this inequality of.hierarchy stuff so much.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Yeah. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .the whole "inequality of power" argument was very popular until the logic of applying it to the (Democratic) President of the United States in relation to an intern caused a few fuses to blow out in the liberal feminist attack machine. At least that's what I'd infer from the silence from it during those months.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Darth and Scott, I Don't Understand Your Objection to Clinton

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...there is a world of difference between unwanted sexual advancements where disparity of power is a factor...but wanted sexual involvement by women are women exercising their free sexual will.

 

Which they got in Spades.

 

Is this your objection...I don't even see hypocrisy between these two distinctions.

 

Traveller

You're Forgetting That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .the reason that the sex questions were allowed in the deposition in the first place is that consensual relationships where an imbalance of power existed (boss/employee) were deemed relevant for discovery in cases alleging sexual harrassment when the law was written (by Democrats). In other words, Bubba was hoisted by the petard granted to MacKinnon and her acolytes with the thought that it would be used to make the lives of business executives miserable, not "progressive" politicians.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Trav, I agree there's a world of difference

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It's the feminists who blur the distinction.  There is a fair point on their part; can consent be freely given when the disparity of power is great enough that coercion may be implied?  The military's answer is 'no', thus the fraternization rules.  The rest of society is left figuring out that question in their own way.  But I know, and you know, and you know I know you know, that had it been Bush diddling a lowly intern the feminists would have been quite a bit more vocal than they were about WJC.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

That Story Came Out Later, After He Died

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M Scott Eiland's picture

If it had come out during the campaign--or during a hypothetical second term--JFK would have been toast. Fortunately for him, he had the cooperation of a loyal staff and a compliant media (who also neglected to report things such as LBJ unzipping his fly and asking earnestly, "Biggest one you ever saw, right?")

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Within American society at large, yes.

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But this is a West Point officer who spent 37 years in uniform, 11 of which were as a General Officer. During his career there were certain to have been a good number of soldiers under his command who were disciplined for adultery, perhaps separated from the service for it.

 

I'm sure he's doing what he'd expect others to do, and no doubt feels a lot of shame about it. The fact that it happened while he headed the CIA just makes it worse for him, I'm sure. I'd be more shocked if someone with his background admitted to it and tried to keep his position.

 

 

The Inmates Take Control Of The Asylum

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Jerry Brown is now the puny jockey tugging feebly at the reins of a runaway horse.

California Republicans have been virtually irrelevant for fifteen years--if there are any competent ones left, the next few years should give them plenty of material to use to build up their party's following in the Golden State, assuming they don't just flee to Nevada and/or Arizona.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Yes, because nothing does more damage to a state

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than shoring up its universities and schools.  What horrors will be next?

Of Course Maybe Gov Brown Will do his Job if Necessary...

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...and wield a Veto pen where necessary.

 

Mr. Brown is urging lawmakers to demonstrate frugality and the "prudence of Joseph." As he said the other day, "we've got to make sure over the next few years that we pay our bills, we invest in the right programs, but we don't go on any spending binges." 

 

We don't know this yet, but it is possible that as the Democratic Party is now the party of Intelligent Foreign Policy, we will also become the party of good, responsible, local governance.

 

We will see.

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

I noticed that the WSJ piece you linked to, Scott

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Jay C's picture

didn't have a byline: do you think it because it was considered an "editorial" piece, or because the writers were too embarrassed to attach their names to such a simpleminded screed?

 

You do have half a point, though: Jerry Brown has indeed been given the responsibility for the "reins" of a fairly, ummm... spirited horse: but where that steed is set to run, and how fast/far is yet to be determined (and trotting across the finish line well in the lead is NOT a given, by any means); and it isn't quite the halfwitted dichotomy (AFAICT, "taxes vs. prosperity" with a dash of union-bashing as seasoning) the WSJ seems to think it is.

 

You ever wonder just WHY it is that "California Republicans have been virtually irrelevant for fifteen years"? I'm sure there are numerous explanations, but I favor the simplest one: while the State of California in the year 2012 has something like ninth-or-tenth-largest economy by GDP in the world (and a population larger than all but 33 nations), the California GOP has clung to an economic (to say nothing of the social) model of politics more suited to the California of 1928 than the present day.  And it has finally come back to bite them in the @ss, and reduce them to an impotent crank-fringe in Sacramento, besides. Oh, and indulging in ideological purity purges every few years hasn't helped.

 

 

Stern letter sent to Issa

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Bird Dog's picture

No, not this Issa.

This Issa.

Saudi judges who enforce sharia (Islamic law) have condemned what they see as "the stench of Western ideas" in sweeping legal reforms pushed by King Abdullah, underscoring friction between government modernizers and religious hardliners.

 

In a letter to Justice Minister Mohammed al-Issa seen by Reuters, eight judges complained about foreign trainers who shave their beards contrary to purist Islam, the minister's meetings with diplomats of "infidel" states and plans to let women practice as lawyers.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Interestingly, the name 'Issa' is the Arabic form of 'Jesus.'

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More commonly transliterated as 'Isa' however. I learned this from watching Homeland.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_(name)

M Aurelius was probably right.

Sorry Trav

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HankP's picture

the potential for blackmail is just too high. And the problem is not so much the embarrassment of the press reporting on it, but your (soon to be ex) wife getting half of everything the couple owns. I don't think most Americans fault him for having an affair, they fault him for having the affair while holding such a sensitive and public position. Not a "I'm shocked that a middle aged man is having an affair" so much as "what kind of idiot thinks he can get away with that while he's heading the CIA?".

I blame it all on the Internet

I Don't Think he thought he could get Away with it....

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...life can be capricious. He had a weak moment...with who would be interesting to know...and then he was on the roller coaster...real life being lived by real people.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for that.

 

(I've moved my other comment here)

 

Easy, I'm Getting Old, Life is Hard, I Deserve Love...

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...there is nothing terribly complex here in human terms.

 

Who is to say his choice was a bad one?

 

Didn't that South Carolina Governor marry his Argentine princess?

 

The only problem is America's reaction to people being human.

 

Best wishes, Traveller

 

Tom Ricks on Petraeus

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Bird Dog's picture

Here.

I suspect that someone in the military with an axe to grind ratted out David Petraeus for having an extramarital affair. I am told that President Obama tried to talk Petraeus out of resigning, but Petraeus took the samurai route and insisted that he had done a dishonorable thing and now had to try to balance it by doing the honorable thing and stepping down as CIA director.

 

But why? Petraeus is retired from the military. If the affair happened back when he was on active duty, it is part of the past. And there is nothing illegal about civilians having affairs.

So the surprise to me is that Obama let him go. But the administration's loss may be Princeton's gain.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Interesting...Thanks...sounds about right...nt

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Traveller

Ricks is wrong

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HankP's picture

he's not a civilian, he's still subject to the UCMJ as a retired officer.

I blame it all on the Internet

Memo To The House Intelligence Committee

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Send a new subpeona to the horny so and so and drag his private citizen @$$ in for testimony--he's still a US citizen with possibly relevant information to an ongoing Congressional investigation. Don't let the Cover Up Artist In Chief sneak another one by you.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

There's some grassy knolls around too I hear MSE

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<NT>

You Have An Objection To Him Testifying?

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Do tell.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Whitey tape

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birth certificate, fast and furious, BLS job numbers but hey do carry on.

Oh and I forgot FEMA concentration camps

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and the death panels. I'm sure there are more and someone will come along to fill us in on them all.

Posting Rules -nt-

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M Scott Eiland's picture

.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Nope not even close

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<nt>

Ummmm no

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HankP's picture

listing Republican conspiracy theories does not a PRV make.

I blame it all on the Internet

Implicitly Attributing Them To Me Might

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Nobody forced Floater to insert the "MSE" in the first comment title.  Or to add the "do carry on" in the second.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Using someone elses handle is not a PRV

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in that context as I'm sure you know, particularly since you've used mine in the past. Now if I had said MSE is a conspiracy nut you might have a point but that's not what I said.

 

It's true I do think Benghazi is another one of a long string of crazy conspiracy theories cooked up by Republicans. You may disagree but neither of us is committing a PRV by doing so.

Floater's right

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Bird Dog's picture

Not a PRV, just an incredibly lame and dumb analogy that getting a CIA director who resigned in disgrace, and who put forth prior incredulous testimony, to testify is just like birthers etc.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

You must have missed the part

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in MSE's original comment about the Cover Up Artist in Chief. Here let me recap for you.

 

Don't let the Cover Up Artist In Chief sneak another one by you.

 

So Obama engineered Petraeus's affair with Broadwell in order to cover up something nefarious about Benghazi? Okaaaaaaay.

Strange question

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Bird Dog's picture

Scott was questioning the timing of the resignation, which was perfect for Obama. The scandal wasn't made public until three days before, although it was known by officials well beforehand, and there is the added bonus that Petraeus won't testify before Congress concerning his prior misleading testimony. It was a cover-up two-fer, exquisitely timed.

Government is merely a servant – merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

I can see the fever on the right has yet to break

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All the accounts I have seen say that Obama was only informed on election night which is hardly well beforehand.

 

Now there may have been other officials who knew before that but since no timeline has been released yet we really don't know yet how much beforehand. But MSE's original post implied that Obama was responsible for a cover up which is not supported by any information whatsoever. As for testifying to Congress all they have to do is issue a subpoena which I'm sure they will.

That's really the best strategy

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Hire subordinates smart enough to know when to cover-up/finesse things without bringing you into the loop.

You know who did know in

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You know who did know in October?  Eric Cantor.

 

House majority leader Eric Cantor talked to an FBI official in late October about former CIA Director David Petraeus' involvement in an affair, a spokesman for the congressman told CNN Sunday.
Doug Heye said Cantor had a conversation with the whistleblower about the affair and the national security concerns involved in the matter.
The New York Times reported Saturday that on October 31, Cantor's chief of staff phoned the FBI to inform the agency about the call between the congressman and the FBI official. The Times reported Cantor learned of the whistleblower through Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Washington.
A spokeswoman for Reichert told CNN Sunday that the Times article was accurate but that the congressman had no further comment on his involvement in the case.

 

Weird.  Wonder if this was an attempt at an October surprise by a GOP housemember which was blocked by Cantor/FBI.

Was Eric Cantor Saving this to Blackmail Petraeus at some Point?

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.....hummm, a valuable thing to have in your pocket.

 

This  investigation may turn up some interesting things....Someone in the FBI in cahoots with the  Cantor an Reichert, Holder, while Clapper and President Obama kept in the dark  until election  eve?

 

Hummmm

 

Smoke those bad apples!

 

Traveller

Once

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Michelle's whitey tape comes out Obama is history. Also lets see his college transcripts. 

Considering Benghazi is the very last card those clowns have

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left to play? I'm betting we'll see a round of subpoenas here shortly.

M Aurelius was probably right.

Wow. Petraeus did have to resign

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HankP's picture

he apparently had an affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell, and I'm hearing that it was discovered when the FBI was investigating if his computer and/or account had been compromised.

I blame it all on the Internet

Penis giveth, penis taketh

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Penis giveth, penis taketh away

Give a whole new interpretation

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aireachail's picture

to her choice of the book's title.

 

 

"All In" -nt-

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aireachail's picture

.

Oh no.

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mmghosh's picture

Here's hoping that the commentariat here will respectfully eschew punnery about open access to data.

That Would Have Been Even Better. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .if the biographer had been Jennifer Tilly. (-:[

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

It's an in-depth, full-throated 'tell all'

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"Patraeus Broadwell nailed it" says her publisher.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Are you saying

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HankP's picture

she served under him with distinction?

 

Seriously, though, don't generals get whacked pretty bad for this kind of stuff?

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I hear she only gave him

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three out of four stars.

M Aurelius was probably right.

I think it depends on what 'this stuff' is

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The range goes from simple adultery to I think the real hell raiser being any form of using rank, authority or office to coerce or use some form of quid pro quo on the spouse of a subordinate.  "whacking" can go from 'forced' retirement to jail time. 

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Right

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HankP's picture

but being in an incredibly high profile position would, I think, have something to do with it.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

This is awful

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but the first thing I had to do was a google search for a pic to see what he thought was worth screwing up his life for.

I'd hit that

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nt

It is better to get what you want than it is to be right. -me

Shorter Floater

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HankP's picture

"I am a man".

I blame it all on the Internet

Saw A Clip Of Her With Jon Stewart

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Nice muscle tone on the arms--she obviously takes good care of herself. Maybe she whacked him with a vase before trying to steal stuff from his computer.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Yep

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not bad at all. She's a West Pointer too which makes her actions even stupider than his. He could lose his job but she had to know that trying to mess with the computer of the CIA director is something that could land her in prison.

Did you google the other party? -nt-

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.

M Aurelius was probably right.

This Really is a Tragedy....

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...and she's a smart woman:

 

The biography said she is a West Point graduate and a research associate at Harvard University's Center for Public Leadership and a doctoral candidate in the Department of War Studies at King's College London.

 

Her life is probably ruined also.

 

Let them love....lol

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

That might have, ahem, been my first reaction

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as well.

On Second Viewing, FTR, Of Course He Had to Resign...

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...truly, a monumental lapse of judgment, ( he might have gotten away with this except for an obsessive pursuit of her after the inevitable  break up...ah, men! This is what has turned me against Mr. David Petraeus...this is what was stupid)

 

Also let us not forget that Russian honey, Anna Chapman....deep cover.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Chapman

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

Today in Voter Suppression!

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Big one I missed yesterday: 524,633 uncounted ballots in AZ.

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Can you guess what group of voters seem to be disproportionately affected by the "irregularities" at the polls?

On Thursday, Secretary of State Ken Bennett revealed the magnitude of the situation: 631,274 votes remained uncounted, he said, more than in any presidential election in memory and enough to anger voting- and immigrant-rights advocates, who have called on the Justice Department to investigate. (By Friday, there were 524,633 uncounted ballots. There are 3.1 million registered voters in the state.)

 

 

The advocates, who have been staging nearly continuous protests outside the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center, where most of the votes are being tallied, have raised accusations of disenfranchisement, saying the same Latino voters they worked so diligently to register may have been disproportionately affected. Based on accounts they have been collecting since before the polls closed, among the 115,000 voters who cast provisional ballots in Maricopa County on Tuesday were many first-time minority voters who signed up to get their ballots by mail, but never did.

 

“We’re concerned that some of the barriers we’re seeing fell heavily on Latino and African-American voters,” said Monica Sandschafer, acting coordinator for One Arizona, a coalition of nonprofit groups working to increase voter participation among working families.

Activists say that they believe, based on what they have heard from people in the field, that provisional ballots tended to be used most often in Hispanic and black neighborhoods. But that cannot be verified until all the ballots are counted, and officials in each of Arizona’s 15 counties have until next Friday to do that.

 

Matt Roberts, a spokesman for Mr. Bennett, said that all valid votes would be counted. Advocates and elected officials are worried, though, that voters who had to cast conditional provisional ballots because they forgot to bring identification to the polls, as state law requires, may not know they have to present their ID at the county elections office by Wednesday for their vote to count.

Deborah Curtis, a poll observer at Xavier College Preparatory in Central Phoenix attending the same protest, said she saw a black voter being told she could drop off her early ballot only in her neighborhood precinct, although early ballots can be left at any polling place.

 

 

“I wondered how many other people were told the same thing,” Ms. Curtis said.

M Aurelius was probably right.

The Obama attack on free speech begins -- where's my diary?

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The recent one about Romney buying into right-wing propaganda seems to have disappeared. 

 

It's admittedly odd that the Obama censorship regime would focus its malevolent attentions there, but the facts speak for themselves. It is time for us to fight!

 

Edit: found it, apparently the enemies of freedom only disappeared it from the diaries list on the right. 

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

"I'm not authorized to access this page"

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is what I get when clicking on your link.

 

I stand with my brother brendan against this appalling government censorship. 

It's the spam filters

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HankP's picture

they're doing a great job flagging spam and keeping it off the site, but they occasionally flag legitimate content as spam. Your diary has been restored.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Thanks

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Not sure what that says about my writing tho =/

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

I too missed the references

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HankP's picture

to viagra, horny housewives and making thousands of dollars from home.

 

My guess is it had something to do with the 5 links in a row.

I blame it all on the Internet

So it appears that Scott Broadwell

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knew that the director of the CIA was boning his wife at least as far back as last summer. After all the jokes about embedding and deep cover or done, it's got to be really, really awful for him and Holly Petraeus to have all of this dragged in front of the entire planet.

More significant than gender, and as significant as race

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Religion.

 

Evangelicals and mormons went nearly 80% for Romney (and he actually did better with evangelicals than mormons!)

Syria at war: graphic images [NSFW]

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Very disturbing, tragic, brutal & heartrending images out of Syria [NSFW]. I'll post 3 of the less graphic, but more powerful, images of the set.

 

Aleppo

 

Minbej

 

Rawan Malek, 4, refugee camp near Atmeh

M Aurelius was probably right.

Thanks for this.  When war

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Thanks for this.  When war overload and fatigue have set in, it takes visceral imagery to refocus the mind.

The Belicose and War-Wanters Need to Spend an Hour Searching

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...the details of these pictures.

 

I was going to post an image of some recently dead American soldiers in Afghanistan and ask the "Benghazi Crowd," why they don't care about these dead Americans?

 

But I decided, I suppose, it was in bad taste.

 

However this does apply to Benghazi...it is easy to rashly blunder into a war, damned hard to get out. Which is why we need a steady, patient hand at moments of crisis.

 

I don't think anyone in Syria ever imagined how terrible this would end up. Everyone is optimistic when things start...a year down the road, God things are terrible.

 

Best to refrain from this bitter cup if possible.

 

Be Good, Traveller

 

 

That Young Lady. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .will be a force of nature, if she's allowed to grow up. One hopes that she will be a *positive* force of nature.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That V for Victory

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is also a fork in the road of her young life. Two different futures diverging in the form of two tiny fingers. In one future, the horrors she's seen light a fire of courage and determination that leads her and her country to overcome its differences, to move past violence, to seek peace in genuine justice and reconciliation. She just wants her home back, as do all Syrians. In that future, she's the emblem of a new Syria that renounces violence and seeks to build a lasting peace, where children are never driven from shattered homes and randomly executions into the desert.

 

In the other future, she becomes one with the violence and fear that have gripped her and her family. The memory of her home and childhood - the entire notion of peace - discarded as a foolish illusion, she lets herself be consumed by hate. That future sees the birth of a new Palestine in Syria, shattered, desperate and bent on revenge. It might be Rawan's Palestine, but then again it might be someone else's. The permanent tent cities might become her home, or maybe they become the new homeland of the Alawites as she and her generation turn their eyes on Israel and other hated oppressors. 

 

Both of those futures seem as clear as day to me, equally possible outcomes of her defiant little gesture.

M Aurelius was probably right.

More dribs and drabs from the

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More dribs and drabs from the Romney campaign operation, this time from Redstate.

 

Title :Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job

 

The result of all of these false numbers and inaccurate ground reports is simple: Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming on election day and his false sense of confidence directly translated into how the campaign operated in the closing weeks. In the words of one source, it was a con job. As David Mamet famously said, “If you’re in the con game and you don’t know who the mark is … you’re the mark.” Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming.

 

From the comments:

I donated to the Romney campaign. Not much, but it was what a could afford. I think it came out to about $300. That's grocery money to feed my family. That's gas money to get my kids to school and for me to get to work. And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans? Words can't describe how angry this makes me. And this "good man" allowed this to go on right under his nose. Mitt Romney owes me and a lot of other Americans a huge apology.

Yeesh, I don't blame them for being pissed.  Looks like lots of "consultants" thought of the campaign as their personal ATM and were willing to spin their paid opinion to get them more cash.  There is a lesson here in market failure the Randians should take note of.

 

Whoa, more gnashing of teeth

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Whoa, more gnashing of teeth in comments

 

We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press - Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. 

 

No kidding.  Can I just devote the whole weekend to schadenfreude?  Oh, and sports b/c I have to watch my fantasy football team lose in dramatic fashion.  Again. 

Of course, had Romney won,

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Of course, had Romney won, his consultants would be hailed as geniuses...

Oh, I Don't Know

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M Scott Eiland's picture

They could have acted like Democats and unceremoniously kicked out the guy who masterminded a tidal wave victory that few anticipated until it was almost upon them.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Speaking Of Which. . .

(#295873)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .have the Democats decided whether to re-up Debbie the D****it? That would really drive home the DNC commitment to excellence, if Dean got a pink slip after 2006 and Debbie got two more years for. . .being Debbie the D****it.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Yes, they could have

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Yes, they could have continued to replay events from 6 years ago in their heads, chuckling softly to themselves.  They could also ponder my poor dog's empty scrotum.  Not sure it either would be relevant or helpful but they certainly could do those things.

Dude

(#295879)
M Scott Eiland's picture

You're making your poor dog walk around without giving him fake plastic testicles? That's just. . .mean. :-P

 

And 2006 was only six years ago, darn it--I'm not ready to be 48 yet.

 

Edit:  Ah, you caught the typo.  Thank you.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Math, she is a b.  And no

(#295882)

Math, she is a b.  And no plastic testicles for my dog.  I've got enough trouble maintaining my status as the man of the house.

It's not about excellence, it's about corporate centrism

(#295878)

Dean was too far left and too populist so he had to go.

 

His chief rival at the DNC, Rahm Emmanuel, was promoted and has been attempting to crush unions and governing like a moderate Republican in Chicago. (Pranky or nilsey can feel free to correct me if they're reading and assuming they still live there)

Heh

(#295870)
stinerman's picture

$300 dollars to wealthy charlatans?  I'm sorry to have to break it to you, dude, but if Romney would have won it would have went to the same place.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

That is true.  I have

(#295881)

That is true.  I have sympathy for those poor schmucks, though.  Nobody likes to see their money wasted, especially when it is used to make rich scumbags even richer.  That's why I'm a bit surprised by the anger at the right wing spin-machine.  Opportunistic con artists have been fleecing conservatives for decades now but I guess it takes an unexpected loss, accurately blamed on the scumbags, to force some reflection.

Voter Suppression Day 4!

(#295858)

A few more hits today on the story that just won't go away (plus a few left over from yesterday):

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/10/1159920/-This-week-in-the-War-o...

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=43961

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/nov/09/principi-calls-long-waits-po...

http://fairfaxnews.com/2012/11/voter-suppression-in-fairfax-bulova-calls...

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/11/09/the-2nd-richest-county-in-the-count...

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/a-perfect-new-missio...

http://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2012/11/voter-id-if-you-give-pe...

http://www.americanlawyer.com/digestTAL.jsp?id=1202577538177&slreturn=20...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinion/martin-black-vote/index.html

http://www.michronicleonline.com/index.php/local/breaking-news/8510-how-...

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/11/10/riorancho/election-chief-shoul...

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/11/10/riorancho/election-draws-criti...

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Voter-ID-laws-why-we-should-care-4...

http://www.journaltribune.com/articles/2012/11/10/columnist/doc509dc3e1b...

http://lubbockonline.com/editorial-columnists/2012-11-10/hightower-2012-...

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/11/09/florida-senator-calls-out-colleague...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/09/conservative-campaign-manager-at...

http://www.article-3.com/poll-watching-in-florida-910020

http://www.kvnonews.com/2012/11/phipps-emails-show-coordination-over-pol...

M Aurelius was probably right.

Sorry Dudes

(#295860)

I just can't buy that Petraeus is resigning over an affair.

 

First off, what the heck is the FBI doing investigating the computer of a CIA director?

 

There are tons of affairs in Washington. It comes out when somebody powerful wants it to come out. This is a takedown.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

The Details Aren't The Usual

(#295861)
M Scott Eiland's picture

No one (except the usual insanely paranoid idiots) thought that Monica Lewinsky might have been using her, ahem, sessions with Bubba to steal classified information and funnel it to the Mossad (or even to her diary). A CIA chief who lets his gonads endanger national security is too stupid to live, much less continue to serve. The only question is when did the White House know about it, since leaving someone with such obvious bad judgment in such a a crucial position would be likewise inexcusably bad judgment, and transparently to keep a vulnerable, easily manipulated figure in the position until such time as it was no longer convenient. Why oh why would they want to do that?

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

What?

(#295864)

The broad is American and a top West Point type. Hardly the kind of person one would think is working for anybody.  It's not like he picked somebody with a shady past, a young woman with no particular credentials, or a foreigner.

I don't see a problem with his judgment at this point, unless he shared top secret documents or something. Just a general with a stale marriage who met an attractive and intelligent woman with a military background. Clinton's judgement was terrible. Lewinsky is neither attractive nor knowledgeable. Broadwell? Shows Petraeus has taste.

This affair must have been known by Petraeus's inner circle from the start. Any other story is logistically not credible. I doubt the White House knew. Why would they?

And, again, since when does the FBI get to check out a CIA director's computer? The FBI does not have clearance to freely obtain CIA information. If anything, this should have been an internal CIA investigation.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

She's His Biographer

(#295874)
M Scott Eiland's picture

She had an excuse to be spending large amounts of time alone in close proximity to him.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

And he's a general and CIA director

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He would have aides, secretaries, staff, drivers, a security detail. These are the kind of people who know these things, and know to keep quiet at these levels. But they knew, for sure, and he knew they knew.

 

Come on Scott, if you are an adult, one look at her and you'd consider it plausible. If you knew his schedule with any detail, you'd be able to add 2 + 2.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

If You Mean Plausible In That She's Hot. . .

(#295892)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .then sure--I commented to that effect earlier, more or less. She's also apparently a bit nuts, which I hear increases the appeal from some guys' POV. But if they limited their encounters to situations where they were supposed to be in close proximity and alone, then not as many people might have known as would otherwise be the case.

*blinks* Why am I arguing *against* the conspiracy angle, again? I need food--my brain is obviously playing tricks on me.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Cause we will argue about anything...

(#295911)

One of these days you play democrat and I republican, just for fun.

 

Let me know if you are interested, we can do a diary on that. Call it "Trading Places".

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

I Might Take You Up On That

(#295912)
M Scott Eiland's picture

Maybe after the Super Bowl, in that slow period before spring training for MLB starts in earnest.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

What a beautiful idea. It's like when the Beatles

(#295925)

trade instruments!

M Aurelius was probably right.

In ...

(#295934)

her defense, I see she was "fitness champion" at West Point-so the menacing emails might be a result of good ol' "roid-rage". How's that for scuttlebooty?

 

Oh, wait ... she's also an ironman triathlete. That might just settle it. I wonder if she has an M-dot tattoo ...

 

 

Ooops! Forgot the link:

 

A little background on the M-dot. It's a little biased but, hey, it's Saturday ...

I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine

Love the comments in that link

(#295935)
HankP's picture

"You think I'm an a$$hole? Let me tell you what an a$$hole I am, my friend."

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I'll guess the WH kept a lid on it til after the election

(#295869)

Not too surprising for a scandal really.

Agreed, this doesn't pass the smell test.

(#295872)

The Washington I know doesn't drum senior appointees out of office for having an affair, unless there's more than meets the eye (or Republicans in Congress are witch-hunting).

M Aurelius was probably right.

The FBI investigates crimes

(#295891)
HankP's picture

the CIA doesn't. The FBI was investigating because they had some sort of information regarding an attempt to break into or use Petraeus' email account. That's when his relationship was discovered. Also, the standard is different for retired generals, they're not civilians and are subject to the UCMJ which specifically bans adultery.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I get that...

(#295897)

...but the computer of a CIA director could contain CIA documents or CIA information. I'm surprised that the FBI would have been allowed to touch it, even if it is a personal machine.

 

I am further surprised that this information would be released to become a public scandal. All that accomplishes is to make blackmail in future cases more likely. This scarlet letter approach is stupid, hypocrisy, and counterproductive.

 

The correct national security approach here is to go French. He had an affair? So big deal. Fugged about it.

 

The UCMJ requires the affair to be harmful to the services or to the functioning of the unit, by the way, for it to constitute a crime.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

NY Times fills in some details

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/us/fbi-said-to-have-stumbled-into-news...

 

Sounds like Broadwell was sending nasty emails to a third party. The FBI investigated those and then discovered the link to Petraeus.

Hank, I'm not sure he is subject to UCMJ here

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I can't imagine a set-up where the military has any authority over an official in a completely different department or agency, especially while he's serving as that agency's head.  This could place the CIA director under the jurisdiction of SEC DEF rather than DNI.  I can't quote any applicable law but I've got to believe somebody has thought of this.

Also, I really do need a lawyer to answer this one, but as I'm reading who UCMJ applies to, I am curious if it's limited to violated articles while on active duty.   That is, I violate article 111 while on active duty, three years later the crime is discovered but I have since retired (not the best example, but work with it).  I'm confident UCMJ applies, in fact I've seen it happen (for murder, not DUI).  However, I'm unsure if UCMJ applies if I got a DUI a few years after I retired.

 

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

He retired in the summer of 2011 right?

(#295908)

So it sounds like the affair was probably ongoing while he was still on active duty.

Yeah...

(#295913)

...that was kind of sinking in as I read about her stays in Afghanistan.

 

They ran together six minute miles apparently. Picture it: pheromones flying, exotic landscape, a man of power, a competitive woman. A combat environment. Three months of this. It doesn't get any better. Hollywood stuff, man.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Obviously I'm not a JAG

(#295928)
HankP's picture

but my understanding is that if you're retired and eligible for pay of any kind, you're subject to the UCMJ. Now, since he's retired I don't think he's subject to the chain of command as far as giving or receiving orders, but the personal conduct rules still apply.

 

Maybe you could mosey over to your local friendly JAG and ask him?

 

I blame it all on the Internet

And so it begins...

(#295894)

The environmental backstabbing by the Obama admin didn't take long to get restarted...

 

Coming up soon, Keystone XL.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for the guy this time.

(#295899)
brutusettu's picture

(insert obvious comment about his "war on teh coal" here)

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

I can't vouch for Brutus

(#295902)
stinerman's picture

But I actually didn't vote for the guy.  Somehow I voted for Jill Stein and Romney didn't win because of it.

 

I have a clean conscience and voted for who I thought was best.  Some folks around here...well they have to deal with knowing they helped elect that.

 

The real question is what Obama will do with respect to weed legalization in WA and CO.  Methinks he's going to come down pretty hard.  Anyone care to wager?

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Neither did I.

(#295915)

And this is why.

 

I stated my position months ago. I went silent on it during the elections because I did not feel like aiding Romney, who really is worse. But I never did change my mind, though, JFTR.

 

I don't know about the weed thing. What would be the point of coming down hard on it?

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

We'll see

(#295916)
stinerman's picture

If they don't enforce it they're a bunch of pot-smoking pinko hippies.  And everyone knows how much the Democratic Party hates hippies.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

I'm not entirely clear on the thinking of DEA / DOJ enforcement,

(#295926)

but there is clearly a feeling in official Washington that federal laws can't be simply ignored or abrogated by the states. It may go something like "if we selectively enforce this law, why don't we selectively enforce other laws?" 

M Aurelius was probably right.

Granted

(#295927)
stinerman's picture

Obama can use prosecutorial discretion to put weed enforcement on low priority.  I have a feeling he won't.

 

And then, of course, I think the commerce clause only allows Congress to regulate interstate commerce rather than all commerce and things only tangentially related to commerce.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Here's the key

(#295931)
HankP's picture

if there's any hint of marijuana crossing state lines, the Feds will come down like a ton of bricks. I'd like nothing more than to fire up a legal blunt, but I think these laws are mostly symbolic at this point.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

That maybe but in the interim you are not going to have

(#295958)

State resources wasted on this issue. Many suburban parents are not going to have to hire lawyers for there kids being kids. Society might seem more credible when talking about harmful drugs.... We can start addressing addiction issues as a public health issue.

 

Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to intense skeptical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and yo

I should have been clearer

(#295974)
HankP's picture

as far as people actually buying marijuana at a store, I think this law is mostly symbolic. As far as having immediate good effects on the situation, we're already seeing that happening.

I blame it all on the Internet

Trending On Yahoo

(#295978)
M Scott Eiland's picture

"Marijuana Tourism."

Joy. Much better than touring all those dusty national parks, historical monuments, and whatnot.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Take it from one who knows

(#295979)
HankP's picture

touring national parks w/ pot is awesome.

 

BTW, how is "marijuana tourism" any worse than "wine tourism" in Napa and Yamhill or "scotch tourism" in Scotland?

 

EDIT: And you missed the biggest problem, just like we now have scotch snobs and wine snobs, we'll soon have pot snobs. "Sorry, this strain of Northern Lights is too synthetic tasting. I'm not getting a good sense of terroir  like I do with the Captain Trips strain I tasted last week."

I blame it all on the Internet

One thing makes marijuana tourism worse

(#295981)

White guys with dreadlocks, or even worse, white women with dreadlocks.  I think studies show that they are the only group of people more disliked than gingers.  Jesus, gingers with dreadlocks.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

You don't live in wine country, I do

(#295983)
HankP's picture

I'll take dreadlocked hippies playing hacky-sack over popped collar douchebags any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I'm no stranger to wineries.

(#296050)

And while pretentious f**ksticks with their pretty little beemers can be annoying they simply don't compare to White Guy with Dreadlocks.   I can respect, and somewhat agree with, your opinion that yuppies are tools but they don't compare to the fact *FACT DAMMIT* that white guys with dreadlocks are a disease.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I'm reminded you have a military background

(#296053)

Happy Veterans Day, Darth.

Thanks Catchy.

(#296056)

Technically I am a veteran.  I always forget that though.  Thanks to all the other veterans here.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

that means thanks to aireachail and Andrew too

(#296057)

BlaiseP if he's reading. If I've forgot someone, my apologies, and best wishes.

And thanks as well

(#296077)
Jay C's picture

..to Ken White (wherever he may be - I'd like to think he's still lurking once in an eon to see how the old place is faring).

For "Ash-tab-ula's" sake

(#295901)
brutusettu's picture

Time magazine thinks Sandusky county is home to Cedar Point that is in Sandusky, Ohio, which is in Erie county.

They probably think Upper Sandusky is north of both.

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

WTF

(#295903)
stinerman's picture

A link, good sir!

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

non-dead tree source (left

(#295909)
brutusettu's picture

non-dead tree source (left hand side)

 

 

I must have missed the roller coaster collection in Fremont, it must be what's underneath the home stands, that's what's shaking it, not those kids and their House of Pain.

 

 

That mistake by Time was almost as bad as Joe Klein trying to state that Iran just doesnt know how to react  *diplomatically* like other nation states that only just assassinate scientist with bombs in public places.

 

"I’m to believe that North Korea is so dangerously unhinged that they would attack without warning – yet so meek and easily cowed that they will sit quietly and not retaliate when we start bombing them."

Major Kong

That's hilarious

(#295917)
stinerman's picture

Although they do get it right that Sandusky County is a "swing county".  I was keeping an eye on that and Huron (and Seneca for that matter).  Huron the latter two very nearly went for Obama in 2008.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Texas A & M 20, Alabama 0, Still First Quarter!

(#295906)

 

...I hate to root for a Texas School, but against the Tide and Nick Saban, I'll make an exception!

 

Best Wishes, Traveller

Meanwhile. . .

(#295907)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .USC is struggling against Arizona State (14-14 going into halftime, Barkley has thrown 2 picks). LA may see some more bloodletting in the head coach department before long, and if anyone deserves to be unemployed, it's Lane Kiffin.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

I'm With You on Mr. Kiffin! To The Door With Him, Pat...nt

(#295910)

Traveller

Ouch

(#295929)
M Scott Eiland's picture

That defender who jumped and cost the Tide their last chance is a freshman--he'll be Saban's favorite chewtoy for a *long* time.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

This suggests 2016 is the perfect time for a progressive prez

(#295914)

candidate, right? 

 

In short: Democrats have an inherent demographic advantage among women, minorities, and professionals that'll take Republicans at least another election to adjust to, perhaps longer.

 

Minorities and women aren't uniquely favorable to Obama, they're more unfavorably disposed toward the GOP.

 

So pandering toward the center is less important than ever in 2016, and a progressive is reasonable to support for the general election.

I don't think this matters

(#295918)
stinerman's picture

The GOP really locked up the House with their gerrymanders in swing states.  Bear in mind this was the compromise map:

 

[the grey district up north was won by an unopposed Democrat; the one down south was won by an unopposed Republican (John Boehner)***]

 

The one the Ohio Republicans drew before that was even more lopsided.

 

Time for a diary from me on why our institutions are what is standing in the way of progressive change.

 

***That won't happen again.  I'll friggin run if Boehner is unopposed in 2014.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

No Mercy

(#295921)
M Scott Eiland's picture

Two years ago, Cal repeatedly faked injuries in their game against Oregon in an attempt to illegitimately slow the Duck offense down. On at least one occasion it was insultingly obvious to all observers:

I hope that Chip Kelly leaves the starters in longer than usual tonight, just to provide the appropriate degree of retribution for this despicable conduct--and it wouldn't be out of line to have legendary groin puncher Nick Batum of the Portland Trail Blazers on the sidelines in order to "discipline" any Cal players who pull similar stunts in this year's game.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

It should be a suspension

(#295922)
stinerman's picture

At the time, it might not have been obvious to an official, but after reviewing the evidence if it's that obvious, the player should be suspended for the next game.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

The Player And The Head Coach

(#295924)
M Scott Eiland's picture

That kid looked at the sidelines before he went down--he was following orders. His boss should share in his punishment.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Law of unintended consequences

(#295930)
HankP's picture

you'll just get better actors.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

That's Fine

(#295932)
M Scott Eiland's picture

That will at least reduce the incidences, and they can still get caught.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Encountered Randomly

(#295936)
M Scott Eiland's picture

"I wasn't eating--just hanging out. Honest!"

Photobucket

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Amazing

(#295937)
stinerman's picture

What an excellent picture!  What's the story behind it?

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

It Was On Facebook

(#295971)
M Scott Eiland's picture

Apparently it's from a book about baby animals. It just reminded me of that bulldog puppy picture I posted a while back.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Shame on me then

(#295998)
stinerman's picture

I sent the picture to the wife (who is out of town) and said that "a guy I know took it in his garden".  Heh.  Not so much.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

I hate those little f(*kers

(#296061)
HankP's picture

and if you had a garden you would too. I rejoice every time the cat kills another one.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

But I Don't. . .

(#296062)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .so I'm free to go "Awww!" over the baby ones, and to be horrified when the pet ones decide to sexually assault guinea pigs. I won't begrudge your cat his or her dinner, though--I'm a cat fan, too.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Wha wha wha

(#296064)
HankP's picture

"sexually assault guinea pigs"? WTF?

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Not In The Wild (I Think)

(#296066)
M Scott Eiland's picture

But if you ever have one (or more) of each as pets, for god's sake don't put them in a cage together. Not cool. I'm glad it wasn't *my* aftermath to deal with the one time I saw it happen.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

good tumblr

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Nice Links Manish...as always, Thanks...nt

(#295994)

Traveller

The Seahawks are just destroying the Jets

(#295997)
HankP's picture

and the pool is very close this week.

I blame it all on the Internet

Am I The Only Person With Faith in Pete?...nt

(#295999)

Traveller

Everyone Took The Seahawks This Week. . .

(#296000)
M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .so as far as that subset of "trusting Pete" goes, then no--they trusted the Seahawks to beat the pathetic Jets. The Seahawks haven't done anything particularly exciting this year, if you exclude the win resulting from the horrific replacement ref call against the Packers.

Sanchez had another horrid day. Tebow came in for a few plays and did nothing particularly exciting. Ryan is toast after this season, if not sooner.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That's not really true

(#296002)
HankP's picture

while their offense isn't anything special outside of Marshawn Lynch, they have a top 5 defense.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

I Didn't Say They Were Terrible

(#296004)
M Scott Eiland's picture

I just said they hadn't done anything particularly exciting. They're about a .500 team and might win the division if the Niners don't play well the rest of the year.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Say What You Want, But Mr. Carroll Has Made the Seahawks

(#296005)

...respectable again.

 

The Seahawks have never been an NFL powerhouse, but Pete is building and building well.

 

Best Wishes,  Traveller

That's not really true either

(#296013)
HankP's picture

they've never been considered a top 5 team, but they've been in the playoffs 6 out of the past 10 seasons. They were plenty respected in the mid to late 00s.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Ambivalence

(#296026)
M Scott Eiland's picture

If USC beats Notre Dame in two weeks, it will foil the attempt of the Notre Dame fanboy computers and Jeff f***ing Sagarin to shoehorn the Irish (who barely managed to beat *Pitt* in spite of Pitt's epic late game choking last week) into the BCS title game. Unfortunately, if that happens (and USC beats UCLA next week) it will mean that Lane "The Grifter" Kiffin will probably keep his job, and that would be just wrong. Very sad.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Disagree

(#296116)
stinerman's picture

If you run the table, and you're a FBS school, you deserve to play for the national championship.  I don't care if you're in the Sunbelt or the SEC.

 

Do I think Oregon and K-State are better than ND?  Yes.  Does that matter?  No.  If we go by who is the best on paper, then we might as well just have Oregon and Alabama play each other right now.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

Except That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .it is still possible that *three* teams might pull that off, and Oregon and Kansas State were never in the position of losing to *Pitt* if a gimme-range field goal hadn't been botched. ND had to go overtime two other times to win, IIRC--and it is utterly insane that the computers are ranking them first right now. You don't have to grant points for "blowing out an opponent in garbage time" in order to justifiably penalize "came close to losing to a vastly inferior team which had to choke in the end to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Maybe it's a Big Ten thing

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stinerman's picture

I got really tired over most of the aughts of people telling me that Ohio State was overrated because they didn't put up 40+ points per game.  The odd thing is that now they do and I've come to believing they're overrated (they're 6th or so in the AP poll and I don't think they could beat half the teams in the top 25 -- if I had to bet, I'd bet Wisconsin and Michigan will beat them).

 

If I was king of the world and had to live without a playoff for the FBS teams, all of the undefeated teams would be ranked over all of the one loss teams, who would be ranked over all of the two loss teams.  That's right, I'd have Rutgers ranked over LSU.

 

I think you're right that if all 3 run the table, ND would be the odd man out.  That's fair based on strength of schedule considerations.  I don't think its fair to say ND almost lost to Pitt, therefore they can go F themselves.

The Constitution does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society from every bad act that might befall it. -- Clarence Thomas

I'm Not Objecting To Them Being Third

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M Scott Eiland's picture

I'm objecting to them being *first* in the computer part of the rankings in spite of the Pitt game and the two other close calls. Now, if you want to point out that if they weren't, Alabama might be ahead of them now and *that* would be wrong, I won't argue--the Tide should have taken a bigger hit for losing, certainly. As long as a team signs up for a schedule with some real opponents, I agree the one loss teams should be in line behind the undefeateds--but until the four game playoff system starts there's going to be an odd man out with three undefeated teams--and the computer part of the rankings are subverting the proper order there. The human voters clearly weren't impressed with the Pitt game and spanked the Fighting Irish accordingly.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

Push

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M Scott Eiland's picture

One hopes that the Niners are suitably humiliated by barely managing a tie in a game where they were at home and favored by 11-1/2 points.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

This one's interesting

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Republicans considering going after the gay vote in a Foxnews.com op ed.

They certainly should go after he gay vote

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Though the linked article is incorrect, 97% of Ohio voters are gay :)  Seriously, this is an issue where limited government Republicans have let social conservative Republicans have their way.  The limited govt types need to take some ground back.  It's not just the 'gay vote' either, it's also peeling off some of the young vote.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

I'd think Republicans would have more luck with Latinos

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Evangelicals are the largest voting bloc for Republicans and they're morally opposed to gay marriage but not to immigration reform.

I'm not sure

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HankP's picture

if the lines separating positions is that clear, but certainly without the socons the GOP would be SOL for all national elected positions for several cycles at least.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

It's Expensive And Kids Can Do More Without Driving These Days

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M Scott Eiland's picture

You can do a lot of fun stuff for what a car costs, assuming that you're paying for it yourself at least partly and have to choose.

The universe may well have been created without a point--that doesn't imply that we can't give it one.

That's what I've seen

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HankP's picture

it's just a different attitude about cars and driving. Skype and texting also seems to make a difference.

 

I blame it all on the Internet

Japanese Automakers Have Been Grappling

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with this in their domestic market for a decade now. "Kuruma banare" ("demotorization") is the term they use to describe it.

 

They blame the gadgets, too.

I've heard this...

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...from speeches by Carlos Ghosn, the CEO of Renault and Nissan.

 

I am not sure the causes are well understood, but it seems to be common to developed countries that already have a lot of cars.

 

Is it good news? Probably but it's a bit early to say. I'd like to have more insight into it. I drive very little, less than 4,000 miles a year, but I'd have a hard time not having a car at all, or at least easy access to one. Car sharing schemes (or microrentals) could be an effective car replacement for me. Not driving at all is hard for me to envision.

Then again, I am a product of 1970's and 1980's suburbia. First driver's license was a ritual. My friends and I used to drive back roads for the sake of it, with no destination at all, and no cell phones.

More on sharing:

 

 

By the way, Ghosn is counting on his strategy to sell cars to India and China, who are both on the up slope of the car demand curve, to compensate.

I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.

Thought this was entertaining:

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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333149/why-romney-lost-fred-thompson

 

Fred Thompson (remember ol' sleepyhead?) tell us why he thought romney would win, but maybe not, but perhaps win or not, but win in a landslide. Then was wrong. But he predicted romney would either win or lose over a month ago, and wrote it down on an index card. He ends with the notion that conservatives didn't want to vote because everything is so messed up that it doesn't make any difference, which he understands, doesn't agree with, and simply states as a fact.

 

"But since then I became convinced that one thing was certain. The enthusiasm of Republicans and others who wanted to replace Obama was very strong — perhaps strong enough to create a political tidal wave."

 

His prediction came true. Romney lost, but would have won, if the tidal wave had gone his way. Yet at the end, he believed romney would win — maybe in a landslide. This he believes. And will never miss a meal thanks to the wingnut press.