Where's the Boeing 777? Open Thread

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Terrorists?  Chinese missile?  Russian missile (misfire from Sevastopol)?  North Korean test?  Satellite debris on re-entry?




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Your $100,000,000 to build this hospital wing is no good here

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Despite the fact it will increase the number of union jobs at this hospital, labor groups and left-wing nutjobs protest.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

David Koch funds PBS NOVA, too.


Perhaps he ought to watch that show.  Learn a thing or three about global warming. 


But it is good to see the Koch Kids so willing to employ people.  Like DC actresses pretending to be from Alaska.  Why would they do that?  Sarah Palin has an agent, she needs the work.  And that feisty know-nothin' speech at CPAC went over great with teh faithful.  And Sarah has name recognition.  Speaking of people the Koch Kids should be employing, how 'bout those Alaskans he fired out of their Flint Hills refinery?


The Koch Kids are trying to buy friends and it isn't working.  Maybe they need to make some real friends.

What's next, not wanting Mob Boss supplied Turkey

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for Thanksgiving?






Step 1:  Don't Pay for Externalities (let others pick up the cost!)

Step 2:  Lobby by spending $X to get better laws and get $10000X in return

Step 3:  Use a sliver of cash from Steps 1 and 2 to support the proles that aren't lucky enough to work for them.

Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people,


people who aren't going to be carried away. After all, we're not murderers, in spite of what this undertaker thinks.

You try to be short, fat and smell like Doritos


and try to make it in Hollywood.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

The worst major rock band of all time


is being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this year, but at least they won't be performing.

So Nickleback isn't a rock band?

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Is Five Finger Death Punch not major enough?


Is Korn's early discography not enough to tarnish everything of theirs?




Limp Bizkit y'all






Apparently Limp Bizkit wasn't major enough.



Even though Limp Bizkit is Limp Bizkit and they were huge at one point.  I think people are acting like they forgot about Limp Bizkit.


Limp Bizkit, big enough to get mocked on a skit on Mad TV.  




Don't forget about Foreigner or Creed

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I wanna know how you forgot about Foreigner.

Or Journey. Or anything on top 40 between 78 and 88.


Evil days they were.  A great shadow had fallen over the land.  Men were wimps and used much hairspray. 

Hold Up. I watch that show.....


....not for the content but for that guy's hair. Who wouldn't kill to be that guy. Take a few bong hits, spill some mega-hold gel on your head, get in front of the camera and just let it roll. I'm a big enough man to say I'm jealous.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

"Take a few *more* bong


"Take a few *more* bong hits..."  FTFY


I think the bong hits start a couple minutes after waking up.

He reminds me of Lloyd Bridges in Airplane. -nt-



"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Ha! Yes, that's exactly who he's like.


We've always got the Hitler Channel on, usually just as background noise but when Ancient Aliens comes on my wife will stop and watch. Both of us do just to see what this guy will say. I've got a bet that says he's wearing shorts when he does those interviews.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Gallup: 3-4 million gain health insurance from Obamacare


From the Obamacare October rollout to the end of Feb., the uninsured rate has dropped from 18% to 16%:

For reasons unknown, the right wing has stopped writing "death spiral" stories about the healthcare law.

Note: these are *newly insured Americans*, not simply


people who changed plans after Obamacare. These are 3-4 million people who will go back to being uninsured if the GOP gets its way.  


Speaking of the GOP, the Republican House has voted 50 times to repeal or dismantle Obamacare. 50 times. That's a lot of hostility against a law whose popularity is growing by leaps and bounds, which is helping millions of Americans, and which is doing it all while cutting the budget. As President Obama remarked: "The 50th time is the charm." 

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Rashard Mendenhall retires at 26 because


he wants you to get off his lawn:


Today, game-day cameras follow the most popular players on teams; guys who dance after touchdowns are extolled on Dancing With the Starters; games are analyzed and brought to fans without any use of coaches tape; practice non-participants are reported throughout the week for predicted fantasy value; and success and failure for skill players is measured solely in stats and fantasy points. This is a very different model of football than the one I grew up with. My older brother coaches football at the high-school and youth level. One day he called me and said, "These kids don't want to work hard. All they wanna do is look cool, celebrate after plays, and get more followers on Instagram!" I told him that they might actually have it figured out.


Imagine this cranky 26 yr old at 86.

I think it's more about being able to walk

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the guy had a horrible ACL injury and hasn't performed very well since. If he's saved up his money I think it's a smart move. When they have NFL "old timers" show up for interviews they usually don't invite the ones who need crutches or a wheelchair to get around.


I blame it all on the Internet

That's pretty interesting.


That's pretty interesting.  Though I think the guy sounds more like the world weary teenage misanthropes on reddit and the like.  The crankies here are more apt to say "the NFL is all entertainment but as-it-ever-was and what-can-you-do, right?"  He's way ahead of us.  What he did takes guts, though.  Give up all that crazy cash to go find yourself.  Not something I would have done.

He should create an account here. -nt-



"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Back in his day there was genuine discussion on the internet


not this fake agnosticism v. atheism! crap that all the whippersnappers are exercised about in 2014.

That entire discussion is your fault! Also,


You abandoned it like a cold, indifferent father who doesn't love us, I mean, his children.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Bald-headed stepchildren unite.


You have nothing to lose but yet another tedious argument.



started reading that thread.....


i dunno if its the atheist in me but i can't get excited about that kind of discussion. atheism is not only the correct position, but its a big timesaver in my life, and that argument is defeating to that end, hahahaha.....

“The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” -George Bernard Shaw



The 777 went down because of the Obama administration's weak reaction to Benghazi!


How could anyone not see this!

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

Certainly A Possiblity


The 777 has a nearly flawless record. I'm pretty sure there haven't been any that have had serious incidents in cruising altitude. Then there are the two guys with the fake passports.


Still, why bring down a jet like this and then not claim it? Kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? Time will tell.



This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

Not all claim credit

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Al Qaeda didn't on 9/11, but they didn't have to, either.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

I found this interesting


I found this interesting article -- Stolen Passports Are Common Problem Worldwide


In 2010, an Air India flight from Dubai to Mangalore overshot the runway and fell over a cliff, killing 158 of the 166 people on board. As many as 10 fraudulent passports were recovered from the flaming wreckage.


So, maybe not a big deal after all.

Bizarre airport, Mangalore, on a cliff edge.

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No terrorist group has claimed anything, and no one wants to annoy the Chinese. There was a storyline where you murder an individual but hide it in a forest of bodies, I think a Father Brown story.

Stolen Passports? The Thinking is now that They Were Used....


...in terms of a human smuggling ring.


The fact that the tickets were bougth by an Iranian, one way and for cash are all very troubling to me.


But Iranians trying to get to family or work in Europe makes sense too.


Best Wishes, Traveller

Can "thinks" work in a sentence starting with "Rupert Murdoch" ?


Rupert Murdoch doesn't think.  Thinking requires considering the consequences of what you're about to say.  Perhaps we could enlarge the boundaries of the definition of "thought" to encompass the reptiles but I certainly wouldn't call Rupert Murdoch a mammal. 


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Rupert Murdoch thinks of Rupert Murdoch.


I blame it all on the Internet

wingnut watch....




... at the "too-crazy-for-cpac" side-convention, sitting supreme court justice's wife asks the panel if obama is a teeror lovin teerist terrory guy. they answer in the affirmative.

“The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” -George Bernard Shaw

Let's face it

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whatever particular conservative group you're talking about they are all, at this point in time, clinically insane. They cannot tell fantasy from reality.


I blame it all on the Internet

"Crazy" CPAC?

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Read Josh Marshall:


Shorter JM: basically a "MSM" media circus: and said "Media" is programmed (i.e. paid) to ignore the "circus" part.

"Provided material support for terrorists."


Doesn't sound that crazy to me. I mean, the President had the means. He had opportunity. God knows he had mo-, uh, wait a minute. Remind me, why would the President have motive to help terrorists attack a consulate?

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Ho ho ho, wouldn't  you like


Ho ho ho, wouldn't  you like to know!


Buy some gold coins, ammo, and freeze dried rations and the secret is yours!

Finally Some Good News on the Syrian Front...


...I have strongly backed the Assad Regime against the...Saudi/Qatari funded religiously motivated rebels. Under Assad Syria was a multi-religious, multi-cultural functioning secular state.


Much as Iraq was under Hussein. But that is water under the bridge...this is Iraq today, today, see image at link with a terrible car bomb explosion.



In any case, all civil wars eventually come to an end. This may be happening with the Reconciliation Process instituted by Assad and Damascus.

This is a long article on the process in the LAT...but there may be hope.

By Patrick J. McDonnell

March 9, 2014, 7:00 a.m.

TAL KHALAKH, Syria — For more than a year, Ghassan Eid didn't speak to his son, Khaled, who abandoned his job as a policeman and joined the armed rebels.

"I was ashamed," recalled the father, a shop owner in Tal Khalakh, long renowned as a smuggling hub with nearby Lebanon — and more recently as a cross-border terminus for arms and rebel fighters. "He was not my son anymore."

All that has changed. Khaled has renounced the uprising to oust President Bashar Assad and is studying to become a lawyer.

"I was wrong; some people deceived us," Khaled, 31, dressed in a track suit, said as he and other young men hung out on the eerily becalmed streets of Tal Khalakh, where bullet- and shell-pocked buildings attest to months of conflict. "I'm back to myself now."

He is among hundreds of ex-rebels in the Tal Khalakh area who, according to the mayor here, have joined what the Syrian government calls the "reconciliation" process.

Participants agree to turn in their arms and sign a pledge of loyalty to Assad's government. In return, officials say, they are allowed to return to civilian life or to army units if they were deserters.

Reconciliation, in varied forms, is slowly gaining momentum in some areas of Syria and has taken off lately in a number of former battleground districts outside Damascus, the capital.



All of it, good reading at the link.


Best Wishes, Traveller



Funny we are in quite close agreement on Syria yet so far in Crimea.


At any rate, I hope that war ends soon. It has cost more than enough already. Many sad people now, and for what?

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

For power & influence, like nearly all wars.


As per usual, the people whose lives get spent most flagrantly stand no chance of all at gaining either in this situation.  


I can remember Ken White scolding me once for suggesting that war is a "gentleman's game" where only the powerful & connected truly have anything to gain. Part of a pretty long list of things he's wrong about. 

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

I disagree. Being in an army

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gives you a permanent job, security, often citizenships, opportunity to kill and rape honestly all things important to many people. Getting killed is an occupational hazard. Most army people don't get killed these days, anyway.

That's Been True For Millennia


Though I would replace "honestly" with "legally", not the same thing.


At any rate, you may have noticed that not everybody who is dying in Syria is in the army.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

Obamacare polling


If the GOP-lead House of Representatives were even an approximate representation of the country's political beliefs, we wouldn't be seeing polling like this followed by repeated votes (is it 50 votes now?) to repeal Obamacare: 

Truly looney.


The gop blows up every single issue into an existential crisis. All their various pet scandals are treated as bigger than watergate, hitler and 9/11 combined. And everyone is in on the conspiracy to keep the Truth from the American people. Lack of evidence? Well, that just proves it's a coverup, a media conspiracy, etc.


A few months back I started reading conservative blogs and sites. I know you guys suggested Daniel Larison. But that guy doesn't come close to the kind of nut that might have success in today's gop. Reading him is like trying to learn about penguins by watching Tennessee Tuxedo cartoons. Or more correctly, the other way around.


This 50 repeal votes and crazy gibberish from the right wing is truly fascinating, like turning over a rock disturbing an ant colony.


If Obamacare is so destructive and is ruining lives, where are the concrete cases of people getting seriously harmed by it? You'd think that they'd be able to round up a good 25 people who could articulate what special kind of hell they had to go through.

Our emigrated doctors

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primarily to the USA recently held a public meeting here, bemoaning their state under the present healthcare system in the USA.  Their one unanimous statement was that healthcare here (mostly privatised) should not go down the recent US past, but should stay with the privatised systems.


The problem is, we haven't done very well on this path.

As we can see we’re nowhere near the top bracket US or UK. We don’t even spend anything close to what our BRICS (Brazil, Russian, India, China and South Africa) counterparts spend. In fact, our spends are even lower than a country like Nigeria’s.

Because of the centre’s negligent attitude, most of the resources lie with the private sector. It currently has 80% of all doctors, 26% of nurses, 49% of beds and 78% of ambulatory services and 60% of in-patient care.


And why do we want to follow the USA, anyway?

Many greedy doctors love the US's mostly private


health insurance system, where they make multiples of what they could earn in any other developed country and lobby for immigration and trade policy to make sure they don't have to compete with them.


Separately, Obamacare does expand private health insurance. The estimates I've seen say roughly 25-30% of enrollees in the exchanges for private health insurance plans were previously uninsured.


So while it's true that public insurance in the form of medicaid is also being expanded under Obamacare, it appears around a million new folks will have private health insurance come the end of March. In other words, physicians should stop the whining.


Here in South Korea the doctors are protesting and morally objecting to the privatization of their public health care system. There've been big doctor-lead protests about hospital privatization recently. I believe many Korean doctors must know they might be able to take a bigger slice of the pie if privatazation happens. Their opposition is the very definition of ethical principle -- sacrificing their self-interest to help others.

Overmind, this is Zogrush 1. Invasion on hold,


repeat, invasion on hold. They sent us a pastry. 

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

I was a little by how cheap it was

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to transmit the images. Of course, cameras will transmit images over 5 km quite easily on earth's surface, but vertically?

Vertical is much easier -nt



But the camera is on a balloon

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not on an orbiting satellite. Presumably they don't know where it is. Is it because there are no mountains to deflect the signal?

If the horizontal distance


is much longer than the vertical,  the signal received is proportional to  (h1)^2 * (h2)^2 / d^4  where h1 and h2 are the heights of the transmitter and receiver,  and d is the horizontal distance.   If you get to a higher angle,  where the vertical distance is longer,  you gradually transition into a situation where the signal is simply proportional to 1/R^2 where R is the total distance,  e.g sqrt((h1-h2)^2+d^2).   Play with the numbers and you'll see that for any particular total distance it's always at least as easy to go vertical rather than horizontal,  and usually much easier.


The reason is that close to the ground,  you get two signals,  one direct,  and one that bounced off the ground,  and they tend to cancel each other.  Mountains complicate things,  but they only make a serious difference if they block the line of sight,  and even then higher is still better.


That d^4 is why TV stations need 50,000 Watts to cover a 30 mile circle, but an Iridium satellite phone handset can reach a satellite with less than 10 Watts power.



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